i think nsps came a lot closer to success than a lot of people think it did, but it did not succeed and did not succeed despite incredible resources and smart people working incredibly hard on it over a long period of time. my point about this is i think it will be a focus and it will be very hard and getting it to pay the kind of dividends the incoming administration wanted to pay will be even more difficult. >> in our last couple of minutes, any final words of wisdom or perhaps caution? >> what i would like to conclude on is something i heard one of the panelists on the previous panel say, which is in anything the coming administration does, it has to rely on the expertise of the career civilians who are already there because they are the ones who understand what the existing policies and practices are, what the levers are, how to make them work, why they are set up the way they are, and if you ignore that, it's a recipe for not getting anything done, so understanding the value the career civilians can bring you, the expertise they can bring you, and the fact that you need them if you