i think, you know, the fcc and the ntia both were unified in the last couple weeks saying there will be more studies to determine this, and, uni, the right, the right answer here is to complete that process and see, you know, if there are, in fact, solutions that are proven to work. so far the technical evidence doesn't support that, but, you know, we're willing to keep working on that. >> host: jim kirkland, last week in our interview with sanjiv ahuja of lightsquared he talked about the length of the process, and here's what he had to say, and we'd like to get your response. >> guest: since 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005 some of these commercial device manufacturers, all of them have been aware that there is going to be a network in this spectrum. if i am buying a product that the manufacturer of the product, if i look at it my personal vantage point, manufacturer of the product knew very well that there's a potential network coming in the neighborhood of that because it's been allocated, it has been allowed, fcc has specifically specified the specifications of how that network would look

kirkland there have been some issues raised whether not the fcc and the ntia, noaa etc.are fully vetting lightsquared as they should. do you have the same concerns? >> guest: not currently. i think the fcc and the ntia both were unified in the last couple of weeks saying there will be more studies to determine this, and you know the right answer here is to complete that process and see you know if there aren't fact solutions that are proven to work. so far the technical evidence doesn't support that, but you know we are going to keep working on that. >> host: jim kirkland last week in our interview was with sanjiv ahuja with lightsquared to talk about the length of the process and here's what he had to say and we would like to get your response. >> since 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, some of these commercial device manufacturers, all of them have been aware that there is going to be the spectrum. if i look at it at my personal vantage point the manufacture of the product knew very well that there is a potential network coming in the neighborhood because it has been allocated a

it would require the ntia and r.u.s. to deobligate and return to the treasury funds from terminated awards as well as to return unused funds from any relink wished awards. finally, it would require award recipient to have accounting of funds received but not yet expended. if the ntia or r.u.s. term nates these awards. now the number of awards that have been returned and the fact that 90% of the money the aara allocated for broadband still remains obligated but unspent makes this legislation all the more important. of the 33 rewards worth approximately $1.394 billion, recipients had only spent $480 million through june of this year. despite claims that the stimulus act would focus on shovel-ready projects, clearly it has not happened here. the r.u.s. has issued 320 awards consisting of $3.2 billion in grants and $87 million leveraged for $1.2 billion in loans. yet, recipients had spent $250 million by the middle of july and 28 of the 320 awards worth $123 million in grants and $35 million in loans had already been returne

the grand, the reach of it. >> guest: the process, the participation from department of commerce, ntia, department, it had support and review and participation by all industry players at the time of change of control. that process took several mont months. so is not done in a week or two for a few. it to several months of fcc process. now, it is disappointing that some of the people that have concerns today didn't think about those in 2003, 2005, and second half of 2009 as the process was going on. we have been asked to do the most extensive testing. i'm comfortable of doing the testing. interference issues our internal issues. we should let engineers solve those and they're working on solving those. they have sold most of the issues and put behind the issues behind us. my other question is, what happens when the network gets out there? it is not anymore technically can't be done. we have worked their technical challenges. i have been saying for months now that these are technical into the issues that should be sold and dealt with by engineers. i have had and continue to have absolute

it had participation from congress, ntia, support and review and participation by all industry players. that process took several months. this is not done in a week or two or a month. it took several months of process. it is disappointing that some of the things that have been done today -- they did not think about those in 2003, 2005, and the second half of 2009 as the process was going on. we have been asked to do the most extensive testing. i am comfortable doing the testing. interference issues will be solved and they're working on solving them. they have solved most of the issues. now the question is, what happens when the network gets out there? it is not any more that technically it cannot be done. i have been saying for months now that these are technical issues that should be solved and dealt with. i have had and continue to have absolute confidence in the engineering capabilities of this country. i was trained as an engineer in the united states. i know how good the talent is. as i said, our souls -- i have solved interference issue since the early days of the wireless indust

honestly, we believe that the fcc processes, they've gone through full ntia, fcc process with the government agency's participating, industry participating, all of that process happened before the change of control, but i think it's more important to say, okay, what happened in 2005? what happened in 2003? because when we acquire the company in 2010, we acquired it on the basis of what authorization it had in 2005, and then we moved on to change of control in 2010. >> guest: do you wish there was more of a thorough process brought up to the level of all five commissioners? if there were the case, regardless of what happened in 2005, today, because it's such an important network and important plan to both the fcc, and, of course, porally to the country -- potentially to the country, that maybe you wouldn't be in the situation today of all these concerns about new testing, and, you know, now solutions and not, and the politics around it and the hearings and capitol hill. in retrospect, do you think, that, yes, there might have been a process starting in 2005, but nobody thought there would be

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>> there is nothing wrong with testing and we are supportive of the further testing of the ntia asks for by not sure that the background material mr. taylor has read but frankly there has been a more comprehensive testing of this issue than any ever interference issue ever presented to the fcc. there were 130 devices tested in eight independent labs over a series of months by the industry group that had 37 of the nation's top gps engineers on it. that was just the industry testing. there were dozens of devices tested in new mexico at the base by the air force and. furthermore there were devices tested by the faa and the jet propulsion laboratory. moreover, the rtca gps group ran an analysis of the minimum performance standards against or signal and the analysis is continuing to be done by the faa. so we have no issue with there being for the testing to make sure that we are absolutely safe on safety of life, but let's not ignore the fact there has been an awful lot of testing already have analysis. >> mr. shilling? >> thank you. mr. chairman, just quickly a couple of things. i guess

and we are absolutely committed to making sure this will work and that the faa is satisfied and the ntia and the and cc. we've worked with the faa for years. we are members -- pardon me. we have worked with rtca for years. we've been members for years on these issues so we've put a lot of resources into making sure that happens. in terms of cost, again, we believe our proposals will take us in a direction where there will be no cost to aviation in order to accommodate the network and that's where we want to be. >> how is that no cost? >> they will not have to be replaced. we are taking the cost of solving the issue on our side which is over $100 million by the way. >> mr. taylor. >> first your comments on whittle to know we don't live in the world little to know. we live in the world of certainties measured in fellows instead of millions of parts,ws instead ofillions of parts, very high integrity and availability and our systems. it also mentioned many of the systems out there were developed back in the 90's. there are a lot f aircraft systems we as a company have over 2,000 systems flyi

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the federal government, the sec, the ntia? who needs to speak up early and say this is a potential problem. why wasn't there a loud, clear voice from the federal government, and who should have sounded the alarm very early? >> i think federal government, but more than that. let's talk about the history of this. that is really important. the primary authorization to build the network happened in 2003, followed by that in 2005. all the related players, all the gps manufacturers and others participated in that process and supported it. just as when you go through a planning board, your neighbors participate. you expect that the planning board approval application and there will be a building constructed here. they would insure they are not encroaching on your piece of land, your property. in 2010, and the company did not have the financial resources, so i think this issue really should have been brought up back in early 2000. >> by whom? >> by the players, the folks in the gps industry, to say look, if you build a network here, w

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and we are absolutely committed to making sure this will work and that the faa is satisfied and the ntiahe and cc. we've worked with the faa for years. we are members -- pardon me. we have worked with rtca for years. we've been members for years on these issues so we've put a lot of resources into making sure that happens. in terms of cost, again, we believe our proposals will take us in a direction where there will be no cost to aviation in order to accommodate the network and that's where we want to be. >> how is that no cost? >> they will not have to be replaced. we are taking the cost of solving the issue on our side which is over $100 million by the way. >> mr. taylor. >> first your comments on whittle to know we don't live in the world little to know. we live in the world of certainties measured in fellows instead of millions of parts,ws instead of millions of parts, very high integrity and availability and our systems. it also mentioned many of the systems out there were developed back in the 90's. there are a lot of aircraft systems we as a company have over 2,000 systems flying

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>> there is nothing wrong with testing and we are supportive of the further testing of the ntia asks for by not sure that the background material mr. taylor has read but frankly there has been a more comprehensive testing of this issue than any ever interference issue ever presented to the fcc. there were 130 devices tested in eight independent labs over a series of months by the industry group that had 37 of the nation's top gps engineers on it. that was just the industry testing. there were dozens of devices tested in new mexico at the base by the air force and. furthermore there were devices tested by the faa and the jet propulsion laboratory. moreover, the rtca gps group ran an analysis of the minimum performance standards against or signal and the analysis is continuing to be done by the faa. so we have no issue with there being for the testing to make sure that we are absolutely safe on safety of life, but let's not ignore the fact there has been an awful lot of testing already have analysis. >> mr. shilling? >> thank you. mr. chairman, just quickly a couple of things. i guess