a smaller group of possibilities, i think those possibilities are being worked by ntia and the sec. it doesn't mean someone will come up with a great idea that will make 20 or 30 gigahertz more useful in the future. there is goodwill on both sides and a working relationship between the federal agencies and the ntia. i think we need to continue that process is -- of getting them in the same room and talk about a plan for the future. the demand is there and it is still growing. it will be great to have industry and government talking. >> what is the growth potential and is her chance of running a spectrum? mr. nebbia: you are never going to run out. even though we are not making any more of it, you can keep slicing it up more and more, we figure out ways of doing that over the years. there are a lot of things that the cell industry can do using smaller cells in terms of using adaptable antenna, so there is still a lot that can go on there. ultimately, we will get to a place where we can't just keep moving people out of bands. just moving the government out of a ban and coming back to

so that effort continues today even as i'm gone from ntia. i know they're continuing to pursue that working together with the federal agencies. but certainly one of the things i've seen change during that time is i think, certainly, ntia and the federal agencies as a whole have gotten on board with trying to make this effort happen. the policymakers and those groups are trying to make it workable. and there's been certainly a new effort toward cooperation collaboration just in the last couple years leading up to the aws iii rulemaking, the auction getting the federal agencies, particularly the defense department, in the same room with industry to work through differences and to come up with analysis that's going to be meaningful. those things were big steps, and certainly like to see that continue. that's certainly my goal in my retirement, is to continue to play a part in getting government and industry talking together. >> how can that be improved upon? the last couple years that led to the auction the aws3 auction, government agencies part

they have access to a lot but ntia is the regulator on the government side. they have access to a lot of spectrum where their use would make it difficult given during technology and processes; would it make it difficult for non-proal federal users to access the spectrum? yes. there are radar bans with non-federal radar bans you don't hear much about but the defense department works with those people. if you put a mass commercial wireless system in the same broadband with federal radars you will have to come up with new capabilities whether it is new technology or spectrum management networks to make that work. the defense department is open to that. if you look at the strategy they put out at the end of 2013 but it is still there driving a document right now, part of what they are arguing is their battlefield needs are such they need to be more flexible. if you in fact continue to narrow their spectrum and say this is the box that we need to keep forcing dod into a more and more efficient type environment that in fact that only makes it easier for the advisar

national resource, and we've assigned two major agencies to manage the use of that resource, and that's ntia on the federal government side and the fcc on the nonfederal -- people often hike to refer to them as -- like to refer to them as private sector, but there's also state and local governments that they deal with.