-- >> jim nussle's here, too. >> what about me? that's what i want to know. >> i didn't know jim was there. i can't see you live. i'm just looking into a camera. >> thanks for your leadership on this. your thought piece you wrote was a great kickoff. my question is, it's kind of popular to attack big financial and the complicated instruments that are out there. are you worried at all about kind of a sarbanes oxley snap back effect by congress where they just -- you just go too far? as a result, make it more difficult in the financial sector to do the job that they need to do? >> yeah. jim, i think you can't demonize wall street and you can't demonize profits or our free enterprise system. you know, really, a lot of what's, proposed is almost like profits are bad. you know, i hope, and i think the federal reserve and most investors on main street hope our corporations are profitable and they then reinvest that. you know f they lose money, we all lose. >> is the goal transparency, is that -- i mean, that to me seems

[applause] nussle i think we have got some time left for questions and responses. i look forward to engaging with you. i think they have a microphone to go around. >> if you have a question please wait for the green blight to appear on the microphone and say your name and ask your question. >> my name is captain rich at the department. i wonder about ten years ago when i was and could cadet talking about cooking and machine gun on to the drone and the instructor said that wasn't ethical. when did change go from and thomas weapons being on ethical and being okay and widespread? >> it's a great question because it's almost two parts. it's when did the attitude change that we could move into this year and second is can it ever be ethical, is it ethical or not? and the magic moment as he was actually an air force colonel i talked with described 9/11. basically there is a before and after to the relationship with the robotics industry and the pentagon. prior to 9/11 most the companies couldn't even get their calls returned by the pentagon. after 9/11, one of the executi