director at the istanbul are based off shock for him and a fellow with brookings institution in nutley new jersey we have steven rogers he's a member of the trump for president and vice reboard and a former member of the f.b.i. national joint terrorism task force and also in london we have toby cadman he is an international lawyer welcome to you all let's start with you this was promised to be the naked truth but what we actually seem to get was fully clothed diplomacy was a very strong speech by president of the one demanding answers taking ownership of the intelligence leaks that we've seen over the last eighteen days what did you think of the president's performance. well what was important in this speech is not what new information that it has revealed it did not reveal any new information to my knowledge but what it has done it gave formality to what thus far has been. the what thus far has been framed as being leaked from anonymous turkish officials so from now on is not an anonymous token official leaking it's the president of turkey is basically owning thus far what has been the to the me

director at the istanbul are based off shock for him and a fellow with brookings institution in nutley new jersey we have steven rogers he's a member of the trump for president and vice reboard and a former member of the f.b.i. national joint terrorism task force and also in london we have toby cadman he is an international lawyer welcome to all let's start with you this was promised to be the naked truth but what we actually seem to get was fully clothed diplomacy was a very strong speech by president of the one demanding taking ownership of the intelligence leaks that we've seen over the last eighteen days what did you think of the president's performance. well what was important in this speech is not what new information that has revealed it did not reveal any new information to my knowledge but what it has done it gave formality to what those four has been. the what thus far has been framed as being leaked from an arm's turkish official so from now on is not an anonymous token official leaking it's the president of turkey is basically owning thus far what has been the to the media so it's imp

stephen here because of because that's very interesting and then trying to stage an ordinarily nutley new jersey you've heard what toby cadman just had to say he just said that there needs to be a reassessment of the relationship between the u.s. and saudi arabia by also the question i asked you before again. is the relationship too cozy is the relationship too important when it comes to money for that relationship to be reassessed reset. well i think the relationship will continue i don't see the relationship breaking apart but you said something earlier that i think we need to revisit and it's an interesting point that you were bringing up about the trial for example can these individuals that the turkish government talking about will they get a fair trial in turkey but more importantly what if an order what if it's found out that an order was given to them from somewhere within the saudi government that is where we have the great great problem what happens then i believe what happens at least. on the u.s. side is that the president will would address that very strongly and very sternly we don

in stephen here because because that's a very interesting comment wrong steve rogers there in nutley new jersey you heard what toby cadman just had to say he just said that there needs to be a reassessment of the relationship between the u.s. and saudi arabia by also the question i asked you before again. is the relationship too cozy is the relationship too important when it comes to money for that relationship to be reassessed reset. well i think the relationship will continue i don't see the relationship breaking apart but you said something earlier that i think we need to revisit and it's an interesting point that you were bringing up about the trial for example can these individuals that the turkish government talking about will they get a fair trial in turkey but more importantly what if an order what if it's found out that an order was given to them from somewhere within the saudi government that is where we have the great great problem what happens then i believe what happens at least. on the u.s. side is that the president will would address that very strongly and very sternly we don't

news they are thank you we've got steven rogers with us now a u.s. military security and defense analyst joining us from nutley in new jersey thanks for your time stephen. hopefully you've been able to hear all of our conversations leading up to this correspondent who is in istanbul as well lee who's here in the studio it just builds up this quite extraordinary picture over a period of eight days where we don't have anything official yet and there's no real sign of it but what do you make of the whole thing. well first of all it's very very important at least based on my experience as conducting investigations over the years of missing persons that the saudi government become very very transparent right now there's a lot of speculation because there are no facts that the people have these investigations begin at what we call ground zero that is the missing persons home a law enforcement will interview their family members first they'll be a forensic study on computers cell phones looking for electronic footprints as to who this individual this journalist was communicating with and then they branch out from there and they begin to investigate points of

melissa: steve rogers is a member of the joint task force, he's a retired lieutenant for the nutley, new jersey police department. thank you so much for joining us. tell me what jumps out to you about what is happening so far today, and back to monday? >> the number of packages we are beginning to find, this was a well-coordinated individual that planned to have this happen simultaneously. number one. number two, i will tell you what's going for my mind right now. that person is watching us. that person is looking at all this footage, listening to everything that we are saying, and that person -- if they are watching -- they need to know that this is not the way to communicate. this is not the way to get a point across, because in effect it's causing a lot of terror to a lot of innocent people. >> melissa: i'm sorry to interrupt, could you stand by for once i, steve? these are great thoughts but vice president pence is speaking right now. we want to listen to what we have to say and will get back t to. >> vice president pence: those responsible will be brought to justice. [applause] it is great