i will start with nye stevens, government director from 2000 to 2006. he previously served as director of federal management and workforce issues at gao from 1982 to 2,000 and was director of special projects of omb from 1977 to 1982. did not yet his youthful appearance to see if you. he has seen different congressional agency's work. to my right is mike stern of the house of representatives from 1996 to 2004. he served as co-chair of the administrative law agency and administrative law and agency practice action and encourages everyone to check out his blog at point atoforder.com. to my left is robyn russell with representative mike quigley represents the fifth district in illinois. in the last congress mike quigley introduce the transparency in government act which would have made crs publicly available among other things. finally all the way on my left is steve aftergood, senior research analyst of american scientist and director of public secrecy. the federation of scientists among many other things maintains and archives crs reports. i am going to

steven hayes. >> you are here on everything and shaking your shed. >> greta: if it house went up in nye neighborhood that is 8 times as big as the other houses i would say who is house is that and who live there's. for us to think that pakistan is not up to their eye balls in hiding information, is almost laughable. of course, they were. and, of course, india is sitting next door who is their mortal enmckinley enemy to pas saying we told you so. india is probably all rattled and upset and maneuvering into afghanistan they are fighting about afghanistan. so what is the surprise tonight? that we find bin laden in a place with 18-foot walls and a place that is 8 times as big as anything in the area. the pakistanis have been deceitful with us before about intelligence. which parts 2:what is the surprise? i don't get it. >> are you hearing, steve, that this is going to be used as major leverage against the pakistanis as far as make the move things that maybe we wanted to make a move on. >> i believe the obama administration will use this to pressure the pakistanis in the northwest province. >> greta: how