o'block himself.said that the intention was to certify these individuals to be experts, to show them as experts in their field, so that they may testify in court. >> dr. wecht says-- and his name is on their diplomas-- that this certification will contribute to your credibility and your testimony. but it doesn't say that you are an expert. >> but the judges use it to be... to make you an expert. the juries use you to make an expert. so that's a fallacy. >> so why would dr. wecht say, "these are just for people to put up on their wall, it doesn't mean that they're really experts"? >> if that's the case, then there should be a memo from that organization that goes out to all the judges saying, "don't consider this certification when you consider whether this person should testify in a particular area." and unless that goes out, how are the judges to know? how is the jury to know? >> there's really no way to tell today what the certifications mean. there's no standard for that. >> there are certifiers, b