and my grandfather, jacob o'rourke, he was born in 1877. he was born on a farm about the size of this podium here, you know? in lime city, ohio. which was not a city. and didn't even have any lime. he was one of ten kids, grandpa was one of ten kids and this grew up in a one room unpainted shack and i have a photograph of them lined up by age, and steering at the photographer, amazed to see someone in shoes. you know? my great-grandfather, barney, he was a wood-cutter, in the midwest. where there are no trees. [laughter]. >> unemployed quite a lot. also, drunk, also illiterate. i have a copy of barney's marriage certificate, with barney's "x" right there, you know? his only accomplishment aside from ten prizes he won on the corn shuck stuffing of the poor man's roulette wheel, the only thing barney accomplished in his wife is he trained a pair of old nags to haul him home dead drunk, he'd fall out of the tavern, and pass out in the wagon and the horses would bring him home, that was what he acop published in his life and grandpa jake, he le

just saying ce in a while, well actually you d pj o'rourke the '80s. there was a conservati guy. had some great aicles. >> i tnk consvatives like to read us to disagree witus. >> that'sight. i, just like withthe new yor times", i buy two copies, one to rd and one to burn in my backyard after i finish readi it. >> rose: befo he broke into television, joe scaorough was a republican congressman from florida from 1994 to 2001. he recently mped out a comeback stregy not for hielf but for the gop. the book is called the last best hope storing conservatism a america promise. am pleased to have him back at th table. lcome. >> sry you had to bring m >> i eny hearing the stories abt the ball girl lastime here. (laughter) >> rose: hoare you differentoday? >> you kno ihink -- i think i know now in 2009 what i did't know in 1995. >rose: i hope so. >> and ironically,'m counselling my liberal democratic friends, sayi just relax. you know, i tought 1995 wh we conservatives took over congrs, we owned the world. that we could pass whever we wanted pass through the house. he senate would confirm it

edge o'rourke in the '80s. he was a conservative guy, had great articles. >> i think conservatives like to read us to disagree with us. >> just like the "new york times." i buy two copies, one to read and one to burn my n my backyard after i finish reading it. >> rose: well, that was from this morning itself, was it not? >> yes, this morning, fresh off the presses. >> rose: before he broke into television joe scarborough was a republican congressman from florida from 1994 to 2001. he recently mapped out a comeback strategy, not for himself but for the g.o.p. the book is called "the last best hope: restoring conservatism and america's promise." i am pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> sorry you didn't bring me again. i enjoy hearing the stories about the ball girl last time here. i take her everywhere i go. she sells books. >> rose: the best ball girl we've ever had. she was good. and, boy, does she add to your show. >> oh, many i god. yeah. people always ask why mika went on the bookstore with m

o'rourke's phrase was the best. if you think health care cost a lot now, wait until you see what it costs when it it's free. when you separate the product fat doctor, you don't care what it costs, obviously costs are going to go up a lot. you look at the costs. remember the $1,000 toilet seat as in the military? >> sure. >> that's exactly what's going to happen here. people are going to lose access to their doctors. it's like going to the dmv or the post office. have you ever waited in line, isn't it wonderful. if you like the dmv and the post office, you're going to love the democrat democrats' health care proposal. then the quality. if you were to send something by mail, if you had to get a package somewhere, would you use u.p.s. or dhl or the post office? now seriously. you're going to create this, but it's so obvious, it's so straight forward. and the study i did was nothing more than basic economics but die it for the texas public policy found air, which they, just very straightforward econ 1. >> the swech an i

o'rourke. conservative guy. >> i think conservatives like to read us to disagree with us. >> just like with "the new york times." i buy two copies. one to read and one to burn in my backyard after i finish reading it. thank you for being with us. a fascinating look at barack obama thus far. i guess you guys give him a b had been minus overall, is that right? >> we didn't give him an overall grade. we gave him a b-minus on economic recovery. >> 3w6 on health care. a-minus on the environment and "b" on education. much better than my grades in high school. thank you, eric. >>> up next, a tell-all book about men who protect the president, suggesting budget cuts. here's the deal, erin -- when willie geist, who has barnicle sitting on his lap, this is not something for you to be proud of. >> i know he prefers willie. do you know who is going to be jealous? >> also we have senator olympia snowe, a crucial part of the health care debate, already is, and what other senators do we have on? we just have t