o. j. simpson verdict and the casey anthony verdict, you're comfortable with all that. >> i'm comfortable with the idea that everybody deserves somebody to put the government to the test of whether or not they can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. we have a much bigger problem in this country with wrongful conviction than wrongful acquittal. >> too many laws, too many people in jail. we'll get to that. but let me do one more example. early in her career, hillary clinton was a defense lawyer and the washington free beacon recently discovered a recording of her laughing, bragging that she got a reduced sentence for a man accused of raping a 12-year-old girl. >> got him off. >> yet she apparently thought the guy was guilty because she laughs about his passing a polygraph. so yuck, yuck, yuck. shouldn't she be ashamed of that? >> there is nothing to be ashamed of in representing someone. whether or not it's appropriate to be laughing -- and i don't know what the context of that was. i haven't s