o.j. simpson 2.the casey anthony trial is probably the most followed, most watched and most controversial since that o.v. verdict nearly 16 years ago. here to discuss with me now gloria allred, judge laifrry siden, anna nicole smith custody trial and yale ga planter. mr. ga planter, you lefted o.j. simpson and charlie sheen. what is it like to defend such a person with such a negative public opinion up start. >> it's like you're swimming upstream. you have to confront the media, all the talking heads every night. it's very difficult to get a verdict like this in this type of the case. kudos to the defense. they did a wonderful job. >> i mean, it was extraordinary. judge sidler, you judged the anna nicole smith trial, one of the most high profile in recent years. there are, it seems to me, you can take your choice with any of these trials. when it's high profile, when it's famous, predicting a verdict is almost impossible, isn't it? >> yes. these jurors were strong. they had integrity. they didn't all

o.j. simpson. >>> it has been 23 years since rupert murdoch made one of his many important moves. it is called fox, it has in times dominated the ratings. but in the beginning it wasn't clear if it was even going to survive. in 1992, seven years after fox started, ktvu's randy shandobil brought us a report with rupert murdoch. >> reporter: the hollywood establishment is being attacked from down under. cbs, nbc and abc had a basic strangle hold on prime time, australian media magnet rupert murdoch used his movie studio 21st century fox as a launching pad for his network. the first show was late night with joan rivers. other shows didn't draw well either, and then fox executives lost rivers' replacement in a contract dispute. many assumed murdoch would take up his signs and leave. >> nothing was working at all. not even married with children. i told him he could lose millions before he would turn the corner, he said if that's what it would take, that's what it would take. >> reporter: they knew he had the money. the question was, murdoch's perseverance and his taste. he has perpetua

o.j. simpson and this trial but o.j. simpson had baggage.t i brought baggage. people are going to say that conduct of the forensic investigators at the scene were going to bring baggage. well, this case didn't have any of that. this case didn't have racial overtones. this case really in -- and it was almost in a vacuum of your average case when the victim is missing and a close family member where forensics and d.n.a. in the home environment really means very little. so it's all the crime scene. so the crime scene's deteriorated and this jury had an unreasonable expectation of just exactly what forensics and i hear a lot of people talking about the impact of all these crime shows. i agree. well, here's another impact. when you take that tv into a courtroom and you start making people look at these trials in a way that there's a higher level of scrutiny and interest, i think there's a bar that becomes raised for the jury to find guilt. >> excellent point. >> it's really unfortunate. i just -- i cannot believe, i cannot believe that they looke

o.j. simpson guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. think that verdict was a terrible, terrible miscarriage of justice. i am less certain about this case. i think the jurors' comments showed that the jurors did what jurors were supposed to do, they listened to the instructions from the judge and they weighed whether the government proved its case. and i could definitely see, particularly on the first degree murder count, how they found the evidence wanting. obviously anyone who listened to this case, who heard about this mother waiting 30 days to report her daughter missing, i mean, you couldn't them but be outraged. you couldn't help but think this is a bad person and a bad mother. but that wasn't the charge. the charge was first degree murder. and i could definitely see how the jurors found that she was not guilty given the proof that was presented. >> and we had this debate after the o.j. verdict. we've had it after other controversial verdicts. marcia, it calls into question for some the efficacy of the jury system. should it? >> l

o.j. simpson's murder trial. she says the verdict in the anthony trial, even worse than the o.j. verdict. we'll talk to her coming up. i do believe it's part of a locust. make sure your alignments good. your brakes are good. you've got all sorts different things that you check off. your fluid levels. pretty much everything you could need. it gets done. it gets done quickly. and it gets done correctly. the works fuel saver package, just $29.95 or less after rebate. only at your ford dealer. you're a doctor. you're a car doctor. maybe a car doctor. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. >>> as we mentioned off the top, breaking news tonight in the casey anthony case

o.j. simpson travesty? geraldo, lis wiehl. >> the lawyer says the media was unfair and assassinated the character of his client. bernie goldberg will analyze that. >> about ho put duct tape on hr skull and threw her in the swamp? >> bill: also, what does the verdict say about america? i will deal with that. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the vial casey anthony found not guilty of murdering her two-year-old daughter caylee, that is the subject of the talking points memo. i say she is vial because for 30 days she did not report her baby missing. 30 days. this the time the soas ye socic anthony partied hard and good a tatoo and ignored the flight of her missing two-year-old who was found dead in a swamp. those are facts beyond a reasonable doubt. reasonable doubt in the murder, maybe. i i will not condemn the jury. let's hear from them before we make any judgments. the problem is the jury doesn't w

o.j. simpson. maybe in interest. o.j. simpson lasted for like a year.ing on the bus and visiting, tv shows created around it. it was the same in surprise but not in, i think, spectacle. why were people so surprised? do you think they proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt? >> i do. i stick by what i said. i think they proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. it was a first degree murder case. the outside public had so much more information than the jurors did. >> they had more emotion than the jury had and i think a lot of people watched it so much they became emotionally attached. maybe the jury wasn't that emotional. seeing little caylee singing that much. >> the jury didn't under two major concepts. they misunderstood reasonable doubt and circumstantial evidence and how great it is and the fact that 90% of the cases we bring in american courtrooms are circumstantial evidence. >> i'm glad you said that. i'm is going to go up to o.j. simpson, the prosecutor in o.j. simpson case wrote about the verdict, marcia clark. in every case a defense attorney wi

o.j. simpson. yesterday's not guilty verdict sent shock waves. cases play out, they thought anthony and simpson were guilty. one woman said yesterday's acquittal was worse than simpson's. she should know. she was the head prosecutor in the o.j. simpson murder case and wrote the book "guilt by association." marsha, thank you for joining us. why was this worse? >> it was worse in the sense that it was much more shocking. a lot of foreshadowing the tell us there were going to be problems. long before we picked a jury, within weeks of the preliminary hearing, they convened a meeting with the family of the victims saying do not expect a conviction here. it may be the best we can hope for is a hung jury. there's a lot of reason to understand things may not turn out the way we expect them to and the evidence dictates it should be. in this case, there was no foreshadowing. you don't have a nationally recognized football hero who appeared in commercials and movies. you don't have the racial part of it. it can very well skew a verdict. this is a woman who w

o.j. simpson. she was not well-known before him. something like this capture the national imagination like it did? >> for so many reasons. we're indeed enticed by the courtroom culture and we like the unknown, we like the family drama playing out, the dysfunction, the interpersonal aspects of this. at the core of this is a little girl. add to that the fact that the very foundation of life, the relationship with a child and mother, is what's being called into question here. so naturally it captures our imagination. >> i said i was closing, but you raised something and i want to sneak in one more. you've observed a lot of cases and dealt with people. does she disappear or do we hear from her? does she decide she wants to tell her story. >> this is the most disturbing part of this entire case. she's going to be seen, heard from, and probably will capitalize on this experience, and that is where things really go off the rail for me. that's a very sad and i'm sorry to say probable reality. >> dr. drew pinsky, appreciate your insights. th

o.j. simpson defense team. and in orlando, meg strickler. carl, let me start with you. marcia clark came out this morning on the prosecution side of the o.j. case and said this verdict is far more shocking. as somebody who worked on the o.j. case, where do you stand on the comparisons? >> well, i understand the verdict. but it probably was based on three reasons. the foundation of any murder case is typically finding a cause of death and a manner of death. and here there was no real hard evidence to prove those two points which made it very difficult for the second point and that was the decision of the prosecution to charge this as a first-degree murder case, a death penalty case. so the jurors had to be comfortable about their decision, given this was the most serious sanction that could be imposed. >> were you shocked by this verdict? were you shocked by it? >> oh, i was surprised like much of america. but i wasn't there, like the jury was, to listen to all the questions and all the answers and to examine all the evidence. so it's hard for me to second-guess what the

o.j. simpson case. >> that's right, except in the o.j. simpson case you had a murder and the family coming forward. the family was well funded and the family went after o.j. and ultimately he was found liable. >> let's talk about marsh clark, the prosecutors in the o.j. simpson case. what happened to the prosecutors who lost this case. >> i don't think they will be joining marsha clark in any kind of show in the near future. they will be back in the office. they will probably go their merry way. and they have lost a major murder case. >> okay, but does it hurt their career? are they damaged? >> i think it certainly hurts their career. many in the country thought she was guilty and she was acquitted. >> in your experience even after an acquittal like this one, will casey anthony ever be anybody but that woman that everybody thinks got off. >> remember the statement where do i get me reputation back? here is a situation where many people think she did it. she was acquitted. obviously 12 people think she did not do it. >> at least they couldn

o.j. simpson. i think that this was huge, and this was big, but this didn't go on nearly as long as o.j. y, and didn't have the race, it didn't have the class, and all of those things. jurors going to the scene and looking at the evidence and the crime scene and shows being created around it. this is outrageous, but can you compare the two except for the shock of the verdict? >> well, this was the trial of this new century, and it was the first social media trial where we were all watching it together. we were all tweeting, you and me and everybody else, and communicating and discussing everything in realtime as it happened. and i think that the big shocker here was jose baez's opening statement which offered an alternative theory of accidental drowning and essentially pulled the rug out from under the prosecution because remember, in their opening statement, they're like where is caylee? day 24, day 25, where is caylee. well, he acknowledged caylee was dead. so it kind of offered an explanation for her going out because she knew her child was already dead. >> hey, jane, let me jump in he

o.j. simpson did. casey anthony has been a big hit. i do not see any alternative to the market making these decisions. for all that we belabor the simpson case, even that case had important public benefits. just to cite the most important, the public recognition and embrace of dna evidence as an important tool in law enforcement and in convicting the guilty and freeing the innocent. the fact that we have jurors who know about dna evidence and respect -- expected, that is a positive thing for a system that tries to be as accurate as possible. i wish the public was interested in nothing but high-minded cases. the fourth circuit audiences would get the same audience as casey anthony. but i lived in the real world. i do not see any alternative to letting the market decide what it's broadcasted and what does not. >> one more round. he said that the interest this law. the problem is that the public interest in race, sex, murder, abduction, it is very big. that is why we know about casey anthony. that is why the question is, what are we trying

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o.j. simpson jury did the same thing. simpson is now serving up to 33 years in a nevada prison for committing another crime. the frustrating thought about the caylee anthony murder is that justice is not being done. hopefully the little girl is in heaven and her killer will most likely go to hell. somebody got away with murder. there is no solution to the problem because human beings are fallible. took the jury just 11 hours to acquit the woman, apparently believing the prosecution did not meet its case. in america, is the burden of proof too high? have we become a nation that do not make judgments any more about behavior? is there always an excuse for everything jvment reasonable doubt was not raised by ms. anthony's lawyers. they correctly challenged the state'sed of but again expert witnesses, fbi people testified there was chloroform in ms. anthony's car along with a hair that matched those at the death site. the jury chose not to believe the experts. why? that combined with casey anthony's bizarre behavior, actions n

o.j. simpson.been a long time since we've heard people argue over the verdict over the way they did with this one. people took this one personally. they have it in their hearts but in their heads. i'm constantly surprised at just how much people know about every last detail. it was like that almost from the beginning. >> 911, what's your emergency? >> i fond out my granddaughter has been taken. she has been missing for a month. her mother finally admitted that she's been missing. >> can you tell me a little bit what's going on? >> my daughter's been missing for the last 31 days. >> the case against casey anthony was mostly about what she did and what she said during the 31 days between when 2-year-old caylee anthony disappeared and when her grandmother cindy anthony made that call to 911. we got a glimpse into casey's behavior on surveillance footage. in personal photographs. at local clubs. on stage dancing with another woman. and at a tattoo parlor getting a tattoo that read "bella vita" beautifu

o.j. simpson. it's been a long time since we've heard people argue over the verdict over the way they did with this one. people took this one personally. they have it in their hearts but in their heads. i'm constantly surprised at just how much people know about every last detail. it was like that almost from the beginning. >> 911, what's your emergency? >> i fond out my granddaughter has been taken. she has been missing for a month. her mother finally admitted that she's been missing. >> can you tell me a little bit what's going on? >> my daughter's been missing for the last 31 days. >> the case against casey anthony was mostly about what she did and what she said during the 31 days between when 2-year-old caylee anthony disappeared and when her grandmother cindy anthony made that call to 911. we got a glimpse into casey's behavior on surveillance footage. in personal photographs. at local clubs. on stage dancing with another woman. and at a tattoo parlor getting a tattoo that read "bella vita" be

o.j. simpson, and understandably, all eyes are now on the jury. here's what one of those jurors told abc news about their decision. >> how did she die? if you're going to charge someone with murder, don't you have to know how they killed someone or why they might have killed someone or have something, where, when, why, how? those were important questions, they were not answered. i'm still confused. i have no idea what happened to that child. if you put even just the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how caylee died, nobody knows. we'd all be guessing. >> dan abrams, the founder of the website mediaaide.com, joins me wrong. dan, what's gone wrong here? if you ask a million people on the streets of america right now, i reckon a million people would say, this was the wrong verdict. >> i think it's the difference between objective truth and a legal truth, to some degree. meaning that i think that these jurors had to survive this enormous burden, which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. and apparently, they didn't think that that

o.j. simpson's verdict did little to stop public suspicion.eing acquitted of killing his ex-wife nicole simpson and ronald goldman. today simpson is in jail convicted for a 2007 robbery gone wrong. >> not guilty -- >> reporter: since robert blake's 2005 acquittal of charges he killed his wife bonny lee bakley. he has maintained a low profile except for being kicked out of a memorabilia event. as she joins the infamous ranks the public will no doubt watch her every move. >> she's been so reviled that people aren't going to be able to change that view of her. she'll be back out, but she's going to live in a prison the rest of her life. >> a prison, cath len zellner of suspicion and scrutiny. she says wherever casey anthony go, people will be there and think she's guilty. abc news coverage of casey anthony continues tonight on a "nightline" prime time special at 10:00 p.m. eastern. >>> and coming up right here on "good morning america," unleashed fury. the new breed of protection superdog. why people are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to

o.j. simpson. think about what happened to him in the years that followed. so we'll have to wait and see. i don't think this is the end of casey anthony's story. >> i think in both cases the system seems to have worked in that prosecutors were able to pursue the truth and in one case you have an acquittal. the other case probably a dismiss when they can't make their case, but we have in both cases real efforts to prosecute by the facts put forth in the media and have to be very, very cage as the public not to prosecute people in the press but wait for cases to be prosecuted in a court of law. >> the last word for now. jami, savannah, the best conversation i had on this case in months. we're following a very busy hour here, live. more on the breaking news out of florida on the casey anthony verdict. we're waiting on live remarks from the president. in minutes he's expected to speak about current state of the debt talks. >>> stay with us. announcer ] anan anthis...is the netwo. a living, breathing intelligence that's helping drive the future of business. in he

o.j. simpson trial where we said, enough, already, let's get back to business. are we set up for the same thing that happened in london to happen here? >> i think it probably does happen here. and it happens at various levels. it wasn't that many years ago, maybe a few decades ago, that reporters and columnists for "the new york times" were colluding with government officials and intelligence agencies. i mean, this kind of thing is not unheard of. and this whole idea of objective, serious journalism, yes, ox salgtsberger, they've been doing it for the last 100 years. but we've occasionally engaged in these sort of activities as the murdoches were in this circumstance. i think it's really about culture. the culture, we're in the roman amphitheater portion of our historical cultural curve at the moment. i saw a reality tv show last night, two guy guys, two wins w were metal workers who are making government armaments. i was sitting there watching, thinking, why am i watching? it's not funny, it's not dramatic, but members of the public are becoming celebrities. so

o.j. simpson for murder and lost. >> no prosecution can ever answer all the questions. no prosecution can ever resolve all possible doubts. that's why we have a standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. but if a jury is simply looking for a reason, a reason to doubt, they will always find one. >> beyond a reasonable doubt is like swiss cheese. there's holes everywhere. there's big p pces missing. there's gaps. >> reporter: jennifer ford, injure numb juror number 3 in the trial, told us all the evidence prosecutors said point to guilt could have pointed another way, too. >> every expert, like, with anything, i could have been what the prosecution said, it could be the defense. if it's both, it could not be proven. >> there's a disconnect. because people outside see the trial on television. they think of it as reality telelesion. and on television, there's always a result. if this person isn't guilty, someone else is. in real life, we may never know what happened. we may end up with uncertainty. uncertainty is a very important part of the criminal justice system. >> most cas

o.j. simpson but you know i've been with him again maybe absolutely i mean this was just a girl so i mean look we see these cases all the time and we're going to we're going to see more of jon benet ramsey i mean the list goes on this is what this is what made cable news. frankly was was these type of cases that i really have no bearing on anyone's life i mean frankly o.j. simpson the famous retired football player but it is his case had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's lives other than as a you know who shot jr on dallas did one last time you saw someone from the most trusted name in you did topless covered in my adding tweeting that picture of a tough well maybe i'm not watching them enough. but you know we have to frisk i think i mean you know fox news has has always had that type of you know celebrity girl or wolf blitzer made his name. but then my father would be in wearing a tough guy you know vast you know there's there's always been a lot of this yes i think there's more in t.v. news in cable news to make celebrities out of people but this isn't the most nefarious aspect of

o.j. simpson, end up in jail for something else. >> o.j. would have made millions if it weren't for the lawsuits. >> wait. we are saying she is going to be at sports memorabilia signings? all right. it's a little odd. >> it's not far fetched. she could have things associatedded with the crime like a people cover and have her sign t. vi13 of them. >> like with o.j. i think, yes, there will be a book deal and a couple of things. then people are going to be repulsed that we are making this individual wealthy. it is a cultural problem. and then there is the self-creeking where we think, oh, my god and we get self righteous and people will turn back on her again. >> i love the o.j. thing brought up so much. >> marcia clark says this was worse than o.j. i. of course she did -- she lost! [laughter] >> all right. that's it. both of these people -- casey and o.j -- are innocent. >> yes, in the eyes of the law. >> so let's treat them as such when we see them on the street. >> guilty under god. >> coming up, are people clogging up our sidewalks and pa

o.j. simpson case in 1996. she gave an interview yesterday which is also very compelling and her final summation was that the casey anthony verdict is worse than o.j. being acquitted. here's what she says. in every case a defense attorney will do his or her best to give the jury a reason to doubt. they don't necessarily equate with a reasonable doubt. a reason does not equal reasonable. sometimes that distinction can get lost. >> right, exactly. and the backdrop, so different than o.j. because with o.j., you had racial overtones. you had the fact that he was a celebrity and then she goes on to write, marcia clark in "the daily beast" there were no bombshells that blew up in the prosecution's face like the mark fuhrman thing at the last minute and also all the collection questions about how stuff against o.j. was collected. it just seems like that this jury needed absolute certitude to convict her of anything. they had a whole list of things they could have convicted her. they wanted evidence. reasonable doubt be

o.j. simpson case is the timing of it. back in the mid-1990s, you didn't have cell phones where you could take pictures of people. >> true. >> you didn't have twitter or facebook. so, anytime anyone sees her anywhere, it's going to be accounted for. that's going to make this is totally different experience for her than someone released in the mid-1990s. nancy, when you do think we will see her again? a couple of lawsuits floating out. >> oh, yeah. we will see her again. if she honored the subpoena to come to the deposition. the first one is by zenaida fernandez-gonzalez. that's the first one. i think that there's going to be many more. dan, i think they're going to be people around tot mom casey anthony. he had a clique. he lived in a mansion. she's going to find the same things. did you see that guy holding a sign? casey, will you marry me? enough people want to be around her for whatever bizarre reason in their minds. >> there's no question. scott peterson who is sitting on death row, still gets marriage proposals on a r

o.j. simpson trial >> you disagree with this verdict and sentencing? more detail i would have to do more research to say how i really felt my first instinct i think she's guilty >> i trust the legal system if they find her innocent we have to expect that >> this is reaction from our fan page >> of florida are complete has been made and because of an obscene gesture he made after she'd was. this is the picture he was giving the middle finger to the media. mason was in court today and has not yet commented on this complaint >> 9 06 a m police make an arrest and the case of the stolen picasso sketch this is this-that was stolen from the art gallery on tuesday and they have security of video and there is this-right under his arm. the police impound a cab and now they have the guy and we will see what happens when and where this case goes they think they have the matter that took this sketch. it does get is worth at least two letters thousand dollars. >> other stories we're following this search for seven bay area man will continue why today the book capsiz

o.j. simpson white bronco along at 35 miles per hour as police pursued and thousands crowded the overpasses to get a glimpse of the football star turned murder suspect. o.j. wasn't in the drive -- driver's seat that day. do you remember who was? the answer when we return. if you leave now i'm stealing all of your law>> i have o.j. in the car. >> where are you? >> right now you have to tell them to back off, he's still alive but he has a gun to his head. >> june 17th, 1994. the day o.j. simpson's notorious slow speed chase. 95 million watched live. did you guess who was driving that car? if not here's some help. was it: >> the nation found out when a cell phone call from the bronco to police was broadcast on live tv. >> what is your name? >> my name is aj. you know who i am [ bleep ] . >> yes it was al cowlings. close friend and former teammate o.j.'s chauffeur. after the chase ended cowlings was arrested. after months of hearings prosecution had insufficient evidence to file charges. today they might have thrown the book at him for speaking on the phone while driving. while you ponder t

o.j. simpson. they were already famous. casey anthony was not.many children are killed each year in this country. it's television news and thirst for ratings and sensation and hunger for soap opera that takes relatively unknown people -- the lacy peterson case, natalee holloway, and now casey anthony -- and turns it into the spectacle that i feel is kind of merchandising tragedy. >> let me ask both of you. jeff, let me start with you. do you think the coverage affected the outcome? did the jurors aware that there was a camera in the courtroom, even though they were sequestered, did the jurors' behavior somehow get affected through some feedback loop by the nature of the coverage even though supposedly they were not witness to it or didn't hear it? >> i think not. i don't know for sure because i haven't spoke on the jurors. but most of the coverage has been very hostile to casey anthony, and they wound up acquitting her. i think where the influence may have been is in the prosecution's decision to make this a death penalty case, which always seeme