you have jurisdiction over the aljs at oaka hoe, but also jurisdiction over the kay hoe, the chief administrative hearing officer who is the reviewing body for the aljs. how do you balance those responsibilities without infringing on the independence of each of those bodies? >> there are a couple of responses and i don't want to make it sound easy to do. but in effect, it is. legally, our judges, our immigration judges, board of immigration appeals members, they exercise independent judgment and discretion. we're not reaching down and talking to judges or telling them how to rule in this case or that case. the regulations clearly spell out their independence and we certainly respect that. and the same is true at oaka hoe of the aljs, they have independence in their decision making based on the evidence and the facts before them. as a practical matter, we have hundreds of thousands of cases pending. there's no way that we could practically reach down to every single case. our job, my job at my level is essentially to try to manage the workload, manage the dockets, make sure that judges are exercis