this is about obama care. >> obama care is spending. >> defaults. defaults. do you think default is a problem? >> pardon me? >> do you think default is a problem? >> of course i think it's a problem. but i think it's worth republicans fighting. this is a hill to die on. we don't have many opportunities to bring obama to the table. and that is what it takes. obama care is destroying our health care system. not one thing that obama promised is coming to fruition. it is a lie all the way down. >> so you're going to default over that. >> we're not going to default. if the debt ceiling is not raised, that does not constitute a default. we can still pay our bill, interest on the debt and social security. and for obama to deny that is dem goingry and dishonest. >> every president is dem going. >> i know you said on twitter, you only came to hang out with stephanie cutter. that was tweeted. but i want to ask you some questions. i actually agree with president obama that the debt ceiling default would be catastrophic. and i think that we are facing that real, that rea

but the real disaster is obama care. the president dismisses it all as just glitches but a glitch is just a problem that happens to someone else. it's what a customer service rep says when it's your service that goes out during the super bowl, not theirs. a glitch is your problem. right now signing up for obama care is so glitch-ridden, success is met with surprise. registering for it is like buying a ticket for the behindenberg as the hirery egg tilts downward. but obama is lucky the focus is on the shutdown and not this sham. for he created an industry now that exists above and beyond the confines of competition. to paraphrase an astronaut, obama care isn't just one small step for socialism, it's a giant leap for misery. so, bob, you must be excited. this is the first it day of a new entitlement, a new program, a new arm of bureau okay rascy. you should be out on the streets marching perhaps half-naked. >> you wouldn't want that. i'm almost -- first on obama care, i need it. the first thing i would say is, if you wante

republicans are against obama care. >> you said in 2014 obama care could be a problem. if the tea party is a reason for obama care -- >> i don't think it's the reason. >> obama care is the reason for the tea party. they'll come back and see we told you. this law sucks. it's your fault. now elect more of us and change the law. >> if it's as bad as you say they can pick it up. for your sake, it's a non existent entity in american politics. >> bob, i hope you keep saying that. the more you say that, the more the tea party will gain. i don't think the tea party is weakened at all. >> you don't think they're weakened? >> they don't think they're weakened. >> you saw the president of the united states fighting for power while this group was fighting for a principal. they don't care what you think. they don't give a damn what you think. the obama care is still exposed. it's not about winning or losing. it's about shrinking government. they don't care that you think they suck. >> you have to admit they won in 2010. midterm elections in the second term president which typically

about the debt, about obama care? >> well look, we've been very clear that we wanted to extend the debt ceiling. we also -- we offered to appoint conferrees to begin a longer-term budget discussion between the conferrees but also to have a working group of individuals that would have a conversation about the budget and about issues facing our country. and to get the government back open. that was the impetus of our third request. and so we outlined that before we went in to the meeting. and that's basically what we talked about for the houf hour and a half that we were there. and it was received i think very well. >> so how do you get around the elephant in the room, which is the defunding of obama care, which is right there when you talk about opening the government. and you guys wanted to defund obama care. the government shut down. and the president says no way. i know you had a really nice meeting and you all like each other now and all the rest and you've stopped calling each other names. >> i didn't say that. >>

block obama.last between progressivism and a growing economy. >> isn't this why we're seeing such gridlock? because republicans feel their mission is to just block president obama? >> absolutely. and you've got to look back at the contrast. democrats were in the minority, they were the opposition party. what they did was they fought for what they believed in and worked with the republicans to get things done. this gang of republicans, once they got in the majority they say no, no, no. look, we are -- with president obama in the white house, they said our mission is not to work with him. from the beginning as cynthia pointed out, from the beginning they pointed out their mission is to oppose every single thing. i've got news for laura ingraham and the other guys, they're there to solve problems. they're there to fix things. they're not there to block things. that started with newt gingrich and the congress and has been wrong ever since. >> you know, cynthia, last week president obama renewed his pu

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the republican party decided that obama care was going to be a failure early on before obama care was even decided. it was a political choice to pull all support for anything this president wanted to do. now they have to live with it, so they have to maintain the story line, but senator cruz, i don't see it at home, i don't believe it. i think if you know anybody who had a child, say, with a preexisting condition who was trapped in their job for the rest of their lives, because they could never move, because no other insurer would ever cover for them, or the child that wentb yond the cap and the parents had to sell their house in order to pay for the continued cancer treatment, because they had blown through the cap. those are situations that needed attention s obama care has fixed them. >> let me respond to that with two things. number one, it's interesting parent you found a family in rhode island that went in and got in. >> 1300. >> it was current will i reported there were 580 in rhode island. in iowa it was reported five in the entire state. enrollment -- let me make a second poi

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they put a lot of pressure on the obama administration to do something about it. it these investigations began under bush. these organizations have both democrats and republicans on the hill. also i believe the president himself -- he has not really spoken about this -- the president himself, he said something about he does not want secrets revealed that will put our boys at risk. there's not a lot we can do about that. >> so, rajiv, joel, what you think of the explanations? it's pretty compelling. >> it is. particularly as an editor oversees the publication for some of the stories over time, you look back at the cia story, you look back at what was wiretapping and the bush administration responses to those. those decisions and discussions that led up to this, particularly how the administration has responded, how they have compromised their view on national security, and yet in most of the cases there have been expressions of disgust, if you will. perhaps cursory investigations. but nothing of the sort we see now. and you look at the investigation that has taken

obama care ace hill to die on, both for obama and democrats and republicans.n't have many opportunities to bring obama to the table, and this is what it takes. obama care is destroying our health care system. not one thing about it that obama promised has come to fruition. it is a lie all the way done. i could detail every one of them. >> you will default over that? >> we're not going to default. by the way, if the debt ceiling is not raised that does not constitute a default. we can still pay our debts and social security. for obama to deny that is demagoguery and dishonest. >> every president has agreed with him. >> he's the only one not willing to negotiate. >> we have another gwen stefani here. bill burton you said on twitter you only came to hang out with stephanie cutter. i hope you don't mind if i ask you a question or two. >> he had to say that. >> that was tweeted. but no, i want to ask you some questions. i actually agree with president obama that the debt ceiling default would be catastrophic. and i think that we are facing that real catastrophe. i

he can say i'm not going to do this because barack obama won't defend -- or won't defund obama care.ou know, it's immaturish, and you have these folks out there saying -- let me finish one second. they say barack obama is trying to destroy the republican party. it looks right now the republican party is doing a good job of that themselves. and they want to make any excuse they can for not dealing with the problems the country has whether it's health care, immigration, jobs, whatever. you name it. >> it seems now, joy, looking into their politics on the hard right, the only way to get a hard right badge these days in other words be acceptable to the real haters is to be one yourself. i don't believe marco rubio is a hater. he's not a moderate, but he's not a far right winger. he wants to do immigration reform. he comes from a hispanic background. he wants to make that clearly part of america, that background and make it official. give these people a break. and yet he has to sell himself almost body and soul to the hard right. the only way he can do that is to act like he's this anti-o

this is about obama care.implement -- >> it's supposed to be a continuing resolution. >> but this is where we are, right? this is our reality. >> right now these current members of congress are in the white house, which i think must be the quietest negotiation that's ever happened. because jay carney said the white house spokesman that obama will not negotiate. he will not negotiate. and then he invites all the congressional leaders to the white house. >> what are they talking about? >> maybe they're like discussing our show? i don't know. or talk about what movies they've seen lately. >> let me just say a couple things here. one, i think we forget that a c.r. is a little tiny tiny bitty thing. the budget is a big thing. and the debt ceiling is a huge thing. we're talking about the c.r., which is a continuing resolution just to keep doors open for two months. and the tea party republicans want us to give away massive concessions over something small. don't you think it's disingenuous on the part of tea party r

we have had a conversation as a party and nation around the tactibs of funding obama care and now obamagetting implemented. it is not important that republicans are opposing and expressing concerns, but you are starting to have democrats that are up in red states next year, especially in the senate who are saying, hey, maybe we need to rethink this thing and maybe you ought to be hold on to the coverage and deserve a year delay so we can get the website working so you can shop. because he went with a democratic only strategy and couldn't get converse converse on board. when conservative and moderates democrats slepping away there is danger. >> what about the president's brokening promise having your health care you can keep it having terms of recredibility issue. >> no doubt the credibility of the administration is hurt as everybody in washington has. but specifically on hurt his credibility. his favorability declined to the lowest point since his presidency started five years ago. it hurts, but again, i don't think it matters so much about the politics of 2014 or 16. in other words, on

obama care under fire. that's at the top of the hour. tweet us what you think. >>> powerful lawmakers vowing to block the president's nominations until baengz attacked survivors are allowed to testify before congress. i will speak live this hour with senator lindsey graham. i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time. where i work, over 400 people are promoted every day. healthcare starting under $40 a month. i got education benefits. i work at walmart. i'm a pharmacist. sales associate. i manage produce. i work in logistics. there's more to walmart than you think. vo: opportunity. that's the real walmart. . >>> is it a record? details of this monster wave and the man riding it is coming up. documents showing the administration was warned about the obama care website a month before its disastrous debut. our situation room special report. obama care under fire. that's coming up right at the top of the hour. wheat us. use the

obama won on obama care. they're acting like the rich kid that loses, i'm taking my ball and going home. someone has to say we

obama care. at what point do you stop this silly game? >> i mean, the denial, the nonsense they're running, congresswoman. close vote of the supreme court 5-4, one vote -- i mean, they lost. and they seem to not be able to deal with this. >> you know, they don't even know what the demand is anymore. is it really to repeal? delay it for a year? what do they want? they talk about concessions. they talk about compromise. at this point, i don't think they know exactly why they want to shut down the government. why they are threatening to not pay the debts of the united states of america. i mean, it is just chaos over there. and for no reason. but the pain that they're causing for so many people, i talked to one of your workers president cox who said my husband and i are both furloughed. when our mortgage payment comes due, we are not going to be able to pay it. the cash flow means they're going to be late on many of their bills. this is going to hurt their credit rating. it's a mess. and john boehner

so what about obama care?first to tell you that the website launch was rockier than we would have liked. >> can hhs secretary kathleen sebelius hold on to her job as obama care stumbles out of the gate? you heard what ted cruz said about that. more with our panel up next. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. they're the days to take care of business.. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next. you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if

with obama care.e could do with a veto proof majority in the senate which i don't think is going to happen. i think the republicans have enough tea party whatever republicans of all stripes have enough common ground that they're going to want to win in 2014. >> if i could just make a couple of historical points. this policy difference there is a big divide about foreign policy involvement. there are more people isolationists in certain parts of republican party and others who are not. this goes back to taft and roosevelt beginning of the century. then you had goldwater and rockefeller. you had i mean, ronald reagan, versus ford. and you know this split has been around the republican party for a long time. and the democrats are not immune. when george mcgovern lost so badly in '72 the centrists took the party back from big parties have big differences -- >> you sound like you're agreeing with eric. >> i'm saying there are policy differences -- >> you've got to want to win. the -- >> but does the win ma

and for those who wanted obama care? >> well, the first part is, your last statement, this is a real hope on families to have lower health care and easy to get. when we were having debates in the energy and commerce committee, it was being touted how great it would be for people to get on these plans. we're realizing now with the signature, make this an important bill is making it unsurmountable for families. we spent taxpayers' money on something that didn't work. >> you know, i think it's about time somebody said it plainly, this is pure dumb, this is stupid. and people are talking about accountability, firing someone, i think the problem, congressman, goes much farther than that and it reaches across all of government, we're right now confronting an issue that says, this, either the administration itself is too dumb to manage a program, the agency that is sebelius ran, is too dumb. that failure is becoming the routine of the day. with their government. that's an incomprehensible. >> the way i word this, from observati

isn't that the way any bes gets done. >> president obama has made it very clear as we plymouth obamaare which is going to happen, this is a settled matter. we are not going to repeal or delay nor should we obama care. even the people who have been polled that oppose obama care think we shouldn't have shut down the government over it and think we shouldn't defund or delay it. what we should do is what we have done since the 1900s in america and that is when a law has problems that we've passed, we sit down and work together and we hammer out those problems. we don't hold the economy hostage repeatedly until we get our way. the implementation of obama care has nothing do with the continuing resolution. has nothing to do with whether we are going to fund the essential needs of this government. they are separate. they should be treated separately and now we have shut the government down because the republicans won't just let it go. >> james lankford, are you proud of what the republicans have done tonight? >> no, this is the great challenge, piers. i wish we could just sit down and work

didn't president obama win twice on obama care? the republicans ran mitt romney who you guys pointed out was an architect of that model, so it was never a credible alternative. voters didn't get a choice -- >> who was your guy ten years ago? >> a bad field. >> who were you for? >> we'll fix the problem next time. >> who were you for, though? >> who i was for? >> yeah. >> i was actually hoping someone like paul ryan or chris christie would get in. >> okay. >> as much as you say, you know, mitt romney created obama care or romney care, wasn't the election a referendum on obama care in many ways? not as if the american people didn't know president obama was going to do this? >> i think aught then 'tisty matters and to have a republican say something doesn't mean that the people view it as a credible promise. >> here is what is so deliciously ironic, support for obama care went up during this shutdown, despite the fact that the obama care rollout was to put it, a little troubled. that's amazing. it moved up eight points in eight days.

obama won on obama care.kid that loses, i'm taking my ball and going home. someone has to say we made our point, we don't like the new health care law, we predicted it will fail but we respect the way the system works. the reason i wrote this new book that came out today "tip and the gipper" is to show our system can work. i was there right in the middle of it when it did. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >>> good evening. from new york i'm chris hayes. tonight 20 hours in a u.s. government shutdown, republicans are facing the unpleasant reality of the world outside the conservative bubble. >> rarely have i seen an ininstance where one party is so much more responsible, guilty, than the other. >> so the stakes have really been raised in this now. >> is there any grace saving way for republicans to back themselves out of the corner? >> it's a mistake and it is hurting the republican party. >>

this time against president obama.he president after he said this in an interview with the associated press over the weekend. quote, i've got to say if i were the owner of that team and i knew that there was a name of my team even if it had a storied history that was offending a sizeable group of people, i would think about changing it, unquote. lanny davis, former special counsel to president clinton responded on the team's behalf by saying the name is meant as an honor, not disparagement. nfl owners are here in d.c. today for their fall meetings but the league reportedly passed on a sit-down with a native american group that is leading the charge to change the name. the two sides are scheduled to meet in late november. joining me now is ray halbrenner, an indian nation representative and vocal leader against the redskins name. sir, thanks so much for being here. first, your reaction to president obama's words about possibly changing the name, if he were the owner. >> well, we were certainly gratified with the preside

president obama got out of town. he just gave a spirited defense of his health care law this boston where former rival mitt romney signed a very similar and successful massachusetts law less than a decade ago. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash is standing by on capitol hill, but let's begin our coverage with our chief white house correspondent jim acosta. the president said he's responsible for obama care's flaws, but he also said that romney care also had a slow start. >> reporter: that's right. as you said, the president traveled up to boston to make those comparisons between his health care plan and mitt romney's health care plan. he was talking about the bumpy rollout. there were some bumps, but not as many in romney care. but there was another mission for the president today and that was to do some damage control acknowledging some of the website problems that have plagued obama care in recent weeks and he made mention of that pretty early on in his remarks. >> there is no denying it, right now the

did he think obama was weak in the knees and if he pushed hard, obama would give a piece of obama careack? or did he want something that would all explode and everybody would be jumping around like it has happened? what was he planning? >> i have no idea. look, i think people are starting to wonder, you know, number one, did they overestimate? he seems like a really clever guy, but this never made sense. this never made one iota of sense that president obama would voluntarily renounce his biggest legislative accomplishment. something democrats have been trying to do since harry truman. it was never going to happen. >> let's figure why he made the mistake. it's smart to learn. i'm going to go back to chip on this question. you know, back in the '60 campaign nixon thought he could carry the south because all the business guys out there, business guys with some money in their pockets were all downtown atlanta that day. and he got the idea because they're applauding him, i'm going to carry georgia. i'm going to break this solid south. he didn't. he was misled by leading indicators. was cru

did he think obama was weak in the knees and if he pushed hard, obama would give a piece of obama careack? or did he want something that would all explode and everybody would be jumping around like it has happened? what was he planning? >> i have no idea. look, i think people are starting to wonder, you know, number one, did they ov overestimate? he seems like a really clever guy, but this never made sense. this never made one iota of sense that president obama would voluntarily renounce his biggest legislative accomplishment. it was never going to happen. >> let's figure why he made the mistake. it's smart to learn. i'm going to go back to chip on this question. you know, back in the '60 campaign nixon thought he could carry the south because all the business guys out there, business guys with some money in their pockets were all downtown atlanta that day. and he got the idea because they're applauding him, i'm going to carry georgia. i'm going to break this solid south. he didn't. he was misled by leading indicators. was cruz overwhelmed by all the applause meters at all those right

today obama care begins. if they had problems with it, it would have been a perfect opportunity to talk about those problems and the glitches in it. instead, we're talking about shutting down the government. and not the issue they really want to talk about, which is the president's health care plan. so i believe that's sort of a message problem for them, as well and they've done this all in trying to appeal to the republican base. >> i'm getting bombarded with tweets here many like this from a guy called chris ham by, be great if politicians everywhere did right by the people for a change instead of self-serving. this is the point, christine. the vast majority of americans are scratching their heads saying how has it come to this? >> and you look at this, as well, piers, the obama care implementation is mandatory spending. you have guaranteed the implementation of obama care. we're talking about the statue of liberty closes. there are going to be weddings canceled at some of these locations. let's be clear. s

he's saying i'm not going to do this because barack obama won't defund obama care. it's immature and you have these folks out there saying -- >> let me finish. they say barack obama is trying to destroy the republican party. it looks like the party is doing a good job of that itself and they want to make any excuse they can for not dealing with the problem that is the country has whether it's health care, immigration, and jobs. you name it. >> it seems that looking into the politics on the hard right, the only way to get a badge these days and be acceptable to the real haters is to be one yourself. i don't believe marco rubio is a hater. he's not moderate, but not a far right winger. he wants immigration reform and wants to make that clearly part of america that background and make it official and give these people a break. yet he has to sell himself almost body and soul to the part right. the only way to do that is act like he is as anti-obama as the crayies on the right. >> he has to adopt the xenophobic position. this is how insane this is. marco rubio's prime di

>> if you're voting for anything that doesn't stop obama care, then you're supporting obama care.ll this is being driven in part by the donors that sam talked about but because the base of the party, the primary voting base has moved so far to the right because of this political cultural backlash against obama. >> thank you, david corn, guys. i think we're on the same page roughly. it's the brand. it's the name. it may not be ethnic although a lot of its i think. >>> coming up, republican kamikaze caucus is back at work insisting if they stand firm next time they'll defund the affordable care act. guess who is leading the charge? mr. ted cruz. >>> plus -- mad money, angry money. many have had it with the tea party and sitting on checkbooks. as one bundler put it, why do i want to fuel a fire that's going to consume us? >>> why gop troubles in virginia may be a sign of things to come countrywide. >>> finally, i was lucky enough to attend a dinner in new york city last night headlined by steve colbert. >> i am proud to be america's most famous catholic. i'm sure the cardinal is thin

not obama care, me care.laptop and i would sign in and become participant number one. heed lay waste to the republican party for the next 40 years. just say i will sign up for it but he won't. that tells me everything i need to know. >> bill: now the polls say that americans are holding republicans more than democrats accountable for the shutdown. are you surprised by that? >> no. that doesn't surprise me, billy. i think our time has past, man. we are like a norman rockwell litho. we live in a country where the one physical maldy not covered under obama care is busting your ass. we may not crash right now but it will crash itself down the road. i like what ted cruz said sending up a signal flare we are not part of this. checkbook stuff. have the stubs equal the checks going on. we don't do that now. that's the way the country wants it so i lock the pod face on. >> bill: were you surprised your pal from "saturday night live" rob snyder now has defected the democratic party and gone over to the republicans? >>

the new answer to obama care. really? the phone? is that really president obama's new solution?s what he said today. and so we tried his last idea all of us going online and then we all discovered the web site, well, that was a flop. and then even more annoying president obama blamed the american people for his lousy web site. he said the problem was too many of us logged on at once. you knew it was your fault, right? but tonight "on the record" is investigating obama ha care. >> the web site that's supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working. >> it's a failure. >> it ask a good deal. >> it's been a

>> president obama coming under withering fire because obama care is not what he said it would be. he knew he was lying? >> probably. probably. but that's one of those political lies, you know. >> tonight, we will analyze the stunning situation with charles krauthammer and james carville. >>> the duration were october launch site did not provide enough time for testing? >> kristen we are focused not on monday morning quarterbacking. >> jay carney has perhaps the toughest job in the u.s.a. defending obama care. bernie goldberg will tell us how he is doing. >> why can't they just opt out? if they don't want to say so help me god, they don't have to say that part. >> it's like you say why not just opt out of not robbing a bank. >> the caves in to antireligious zealots. crowley and colmes on that case. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >> hi had, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. is it all unraveling for president obama? that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. things are getting very bad for the obama

fired because of obama care. it's not who you think. first tonight right here -- >> the only thing we'll try to do is lower colorados so that the cost savingings are passed ton to you. we can cut the arch family's premium by $2500 a year. >> sflil we'll expose another lie after the breakment plus this. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. [ cheers ] >> in the meantime you can bypass the website and apply by fo phone or in person. >> you will love this nrcc ad. it compares president obama's pathetic rhetoric to other great presidential speeches. that's coming up. and tune in tomorrow at 10:00 eastern for a special edition of fox news reporting. charles krauthammer, a life that matters. it will profile his life, career and over coming obstacles after he became paralyzed in college in a diving accident. tomorrow night, i am off, they are in. 10:00 p.m. eastern. [ horn honks ] [ passenger ] airport, please. what airline? united. [ passenger ] united. whoa taxi! [ british accent ] what airline, then? [ passenger ] u

not having obama care?ll of this stuff is just making it almost impossible to understand it. but the bottom line is, that obama care is taking money from people, americans, working americans. >> right. >> in order to pay for poor americans to have health insurance. isn't that what it is all about? >> it's not just poor americans. we're talking about healthy, young americans who typically would not, even if they have got jobs. >> bill: no, no, no. the poor people who fall under a certain income. >> right. >> bill: they are going to have their whole health insurance tab. >> right, that's absolutely correct. >> that's what i'm talking about here. this is income redistribution. whatever you want. social justice. >> absolutely. >> what it is. in the meantime. everybody is influx and chaos. people losing blue cross, blue shield. etna is out of the game. they have to find new insurance agencies. >> bill, every single promise the that president obama made campaigning for obama care, 2009 and 2010, didn't come true.

i don't like obama care.s putting a gun to the congress and the president. but sean, let me finish. >> so saying that the laws, the extra benefits that congress gets and saying that big business, that individuals should get the same exception, that is a gun? you're going to use that analogy. >> shutting the government down, the debt ceiling, the republicans said let's put everything on the table and talk. forget intransigence, steve moore, where is the pro growth of the republican party? it doesn't exist. >> the republican party has been talking about pro-free market solutions to health care for months. no one is trying to take anyone's health care away. they have been out there talking about policies, purchasing insurance across state lines, pro-competition, broadening options, lowering costs. the fact that no one wanted to listen to that is not the problem. but obama care is the problem. >> kristin in the back. >> what surprised me the most about the president's actions on this, this is an opportunity where

is that good for obama? yes, it is. this is just the reality, and i don't know that necessarily there are other politicians who are above this. it's been cast that obama is somehow especially nefarious because he would want to deal with the political rally that he can't get anything done with this congress. what else is he expected to do? >> karl? >> there is a majority of republicans in the congress skplt u.s. house of representatives that if the president's goal is to destroy the republicans, he's not going to succeed, so why try it. one acts decisively only with the conviction that all the angels are on one side and the devils are on the other, and the president has spent the last month saying the republicans are devils. monday he could have had an agreement to resolve the shutdown. he could have said, you know what, house republicans have said fund it at the current level and delay the original mandate for a year just like i delayed the corporate mandate, and adopt my waiver for congress. >> do you think that was un

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hearts and minds of obama in a care.ning us from the nation's capitol building congresswoman michele bachmann truck from minnesota. before i get to the obama careened at deep wisdom i bring to the debate. you have a little excitement down there this afternoon. tell me from your point of view what happened? >> the loud speakers went off shelter in place all likelihood a gunshot and we heard that there was a shooter. so we were told to shelter in place. and we were up on the 30 floor of cannon people went into a shelter. we were out here. a lot of cameras were here. went to the doors. clear that the police shut down independence avenue. we could see the east steps of the capitol and the south. people were all directed to come off of the can a capitol and come toward the cannon building and then before long a helicopter came over and was specifically over the western side of the capitol at that point then we started to hear the news reports sheltering in case for a while. appeared after a little bit of time there wasn't any

did it have to be obama? >> it had to be obama care. this had to be the thing.alked about all august. you know what, they had to walk through the process. it was a painful process. the leaders said don't do this. the followers wanted to do it. they walked through it. that's how it happened. >> chris is absolutely right. the words you're hearing from them is fight. ted cruz said we will do whatever it takes. he didn't learn a lesson. what he got was exactly what he wanted. he got attention. he's the front-runner in the republican -- >> you're a regular political guy like i was and you are. a regular person. you play within the legality and the generally accepted rules of politics. you don't attack peoples kids, you don't do a lot of weird things, don't use gas in wars. this thing where he said i would do anything, that's what appeals to the extreme right. tha they want that ruthless anything goes stuff. i would do anything? >> i'm not going to defend ted cruz. >> i don't have to explain it. i think he did it himself. >> ted cruz does not run the republicans in th