what is the message that the obama administration is sending to the rest of the world in the way thatt's handling press freedom, or cracking down on press freedom here? it is providing, in my opinion, the word -- the messages going out from washington to the rest of the world that it's okay to crackdown on reporters, so countries like egypt are getting that message, and i believe that the way that the obama administration has cracked down on press freedom has sent a green light to countries like egypt that it's okay to jail reporters. >> the crackdown that you're talking about, including your case, without borders press freedom index had the you saw plum he wanting to only 6th in the world when it comes to press freedoms, and do you think that we'll see a field law? there are different proposals that made some progress in the house and the senate but it's likely if it becomes law, they will have to have a national security exception. >> it's difficult to tell right now which way the legislative process is going to go. but the problem, i'm not sure which way congress is going to end up

. >>> for more on what the changing dynamics will mean for the obama administration, let's bring in the moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd. chuck, between cuba and north korea, i suppose this will be what they call a working vacation? >> reporter: definitely a working vacation for the president, but in many ways, carl, a preview of the final two years of the obama administration. and frankly very similar to what you see in the final two years of any eight-year tenure of a presidency which is foreign policy dictates a lot. both in choosing what foreign policy issues to go after to build a legacy because you're

this issue has been labeled as a top priority for the obama administration. what is being done?> that's correct. first of all, i think there's two ways that we have tried to approach the -- the issue. on the one hand we're providing for immediate humanitarian assistance. we're trying to make sure those communities that have been displayed and are residing in other areas, have the basic necessities that they require. they have access to things like water, sufficient food nutrition, shelter and so forth. so that's phrase one. making sure these communities are able to continue on. i think step two is the longer and harder part. it's actually trying to figure out what is an approach and the solution to dealing with the type of displacement and the conflict that is causing a deep-rooted unsettling, that is causing a -- a -- really the deacon deacon deacon -- deconstruction of these communities. >> secretary kerry noted that 75% of the world's population live in countries that don't allow religious freedom. we're talking about places like hungary, and france and greece and saudi arabi

and all of this has been carried out with intriguing choreography by the obama administration starting with the pictures of alan gross, the new statement by president obama an hour half ago, and then the news conference this afternoon. let's go to jamie mcintyre from washington. we can't understan under state how much the choreography has been thought through all of this. >> the key part was negotiating the release of alan gross, and for the obama administration to be able to say that it was not a swap for spies because they never conceded he was a spy. gross, 65 years old, has been in prison for five years. he was arrested back in 2009 for distributer communications equipment to members of the jewish community on the cuban island. one of the sort of subtle ironies in what is going on today one of the initiatives that the president is taking under his executive authority is to relax exports of communications equipment to cuba in order to facilitate telecommunications as well as internet service. they received a pledge from cuban president raul castro to also increase the access of inte

and i think it's a serious analytical debate today and it's a reason why the obama administration is stuck, paralyzed. on the one hand he said assad must go, and there's a strand inside his own head and his administration that says we can't overlook sort of the stacks of tens of thousands of bodies and what he's done to his own people and work with him. and then there's also this strand of, if you want to call it realist, realism who say we want to end the conflict, we've got to work with him or his inner circle. so i think that ideal is always out there, sadly, it's only been applied where we could. and i think that practical consideration is a big thing. if i could just real quickly respond to something kim just said because i think in the case of egypt and your question, it's almost in some ways the wrong question, whether obama decided mubarak should go or not. in essence,a agnd i lived in egt for year, the egyptian people with their uprising decided he should go. we why somewhat of a bistander in that. our statements mattered in that. but what strikes me is you look at the counte

. >>> the obama administration wants the report released, but only under its terms. chief white house correspondent ed henry has the story tonight. >> president obama said today he does not believe that harsh interrogation techniques made americans safer. over whether those tactics produced actionable intelligence. >> the use of these tactics were not worth it because of -- >> reporter: the senate report expected to be released tuesday, u.s. embassies around the world are on alert, as top republicans warn with isis already raging through syria and iraq, now is hardly the right time to putmore americans at risk. >> our foreign leaders are saying if you do this, it will cause violence and death. >> the white house appears to be playing both sides with aideses saying the president wants transparency while secretary kerry shared rogers concerns, calling feinstein on friday. >> he not only reiterated the support administration and his own support, but he also made support that of course the timing is her choice. >> reporter: while some aides to former president bush though

one mother said that she feels she has been slapped by the face by the obama administration. and then we have yolani sÁnchez known as a cuban blogger very critical of the cuban government from havana. she points out, no reaction from fidel castro, and her other statement was it feels like fidel that raul castro speech felt like the bitter taste of surrender. interesting perspective there. >> very interesting, indeed. on behalf o of antonio mora, michael shure and our entire staff, we will the latest news at 4:00 eastern. thanks for watching. they're own government >> egypt mismanaged it's gas industry >> taking the country to the brink of economic ruin >> this is because of a corrupt deal to an assigned to basically support two dodgy businessmen an israeli one, and an egyptian one... >> al jazeera exposes those who made a fortune betraying an entire nation >> you don't feel you owe an explanation to the egyptian people? >> no...no.. >> al jazeera investigates egypt's lost power on al jazeera america real reporting that brings you the world. >> this is a pretty dangerous trip.

i want to compliment the obama administration ongoing much larger and further than any of us expectedd go. there was a hope and expectation the obama administration would do some things in the new year, but i must say thanks to his national security team, they did go further. renewing diplomatic relations, a commitment to renew cuba's inclusion on the terrorist list -- which will conclude in six months. i think it is pretty much understood that cuba will be taken off. the thing that most interest me is the embargo, the commercial embargo on cuba and how far the administration will go. it is a little unclear. they talk about rule makings with the treasury department and commerce department. you can see the broad outline and what they're doing. if all's under the heading of adjusting the regulations -- it falls under the heading of adjusting the regulations to more power the cuban people. it is worth being clear what is contemplated and what is not right now. cuba isnvestment in still prohibited. donatedk about remittances to cuba. you can give money to the small cuban private sector to

necessary. >> released by the democrats on the senate committee as well as support of the obama administrationt of mixed in the administration. >> it's pretty clear the white house supported it. >> okay. what's in the report? >> the senate report breaks down to four findings. i apologize for making it so simplistic. this is the way you have to do it. no valuable intelligence from the cia program. also, it alleges the cia mislead congress and the executive branch and the american people about the quality of the information they were getting. that it was grossly mismanaged like a bad startup operation. and that finally, the program was more brutal than had been represented to congress and to the public. >> all right. was there a product from the interrogation or not? i know one side said no and one side said yes. is there a general consensus out there? >> the one point of consensus that staffers on the committee did not dispute today is that the program produced information and when you start to pull that thread, what you see is that it was, in fact, valuable information. at the very least, it t

this is not negotiated, it's a give away by the president obama administration. cuba will hold on to it, take advantage and stay in power as much as they can. >> what would you have lined to have seen in order for the deal to be acceptable. >> first of all, this should within announced before it happened. this is something that has been done unilaterally by paula, ignoring that the government, the united states, has three powers, legislative, judicial and executive. in this case the executive power, on his own, taking to make all these decisions, ignoring the others, thus throwing in the garbage can what the judicial did, which is put in gaol this individual that were assisting the murder of four pilots in 1996. they were send to gaol. two of them had life sentences for murder, again. this was murder. and they are just being traded as if what they did had no zaps, and the sentence pronounced by the judicial power is being altogether ignored. i believe president obama is number one breaking the law. number two, doing something people. >> couldn't it be good for th

and the team in the obama administration had not been willing to do that. so those are the kind of things we're looking at. obviously, there other things that are in the air. you're the book by leon panetta, the book by bob gates, there's a lot of books right now about how this administration has worked, and we can talk about those things, too. i hope we have a good, open discussion. i wanted to give it a bit of a sense of over the public national insecurity is about. the goal of the book is to look for. the goal of the book is to say what can we take away from that? among the things we can take away our that the system, when it works right, produces not perfect results but the best possible results. .. what sets this. apart in your mind in terms of the function of this apparatus? >> well, thank you. thank you for that introduction, a specially saying im on the far left. i like that. of course from your perspective, i am on the far right. i think it is useful to go back when we are talking about different nics, to go back to

, and the obama administration has broadened our economy from shambles since 2008 -- president obama and his being a lawyer background, he has shown everyone else how to be president in this day and age. it is just all about him, and not everybody wants to be president. like the guy from -- rubio and ted cruz, they all wanted to be president, because they are on the same load, just like president obama, so that shows you that the president would be a good president, but i think joe biden would be the best president for the democratic party. right, this is david in willow spring, north carolina. who is your choice? caller: i would love to see a hillary/bernie sanders ticket. hillary hands-down would probably be the democratic nominee. sanders and warren are a little bit too far to the left to appeal to moderate democrats, but i do think with a hillary and bernie sanders tickets that that would be a landslide victory for the democrats. thank you for all that c-span does. thank you very much. host: thank you for your call. from the huffington post, this is former labor terry secretary r

i do not think the obama administration was actually disengaged. i think it's at the right balance of most issues. in some ways, though, i think that most of the value issues we may this is where disagree -- but having been in the middle east and europe last week, yyou see that people still look to america. ways.me and you see that it hasn't been damaged by some of our past mistakes. some people look at our mistakes in many ways and look it as an ideal. we often l see that make these unforced errors that hurt ourselves. a will close maybe with little bit of optimism. i think, you know, looking at sort of what america is today, especially when i was in europe and the middle east, it is less pessimistic coming back here, i think, when you look at some of how people look towards our country still as an economic engine. and the fact that we are producing more energy. that we are fully back to where we were, i don't think we need to l be -- we pragmatically recognize that -- be how real trick will to read adapt to these new trends that we talked about,

first, it gets the obama administration closer to the magic 100 number where president obama feels he could keep his campaign promise to close gitmo. second, one of the detainees sent to uruguay is involved in a lawsuit of videos of him being force fed on a hunger strike released publicly. obviously that dynamic now changes. this is the largest transfer of gitmo prisoners since 2009. a significant number of those released have been flown to head right back to the battlefield. >> some of these intelligence services who do these agreements about agreeing to watch them or monitor them can't do it so we pay money -- remember this now. we're going to pay a lot of money to these countries who take these particular prisoners. what we have found in the past is it doesn't work very well. i don't think that surprises anybody. >> reporter: uruguay is nestled along the atlantic between ar tina and brazil. most are christians. the cia fact book doesn't even break out a muslim population. keep in mind, its long-time president spent more than a decade under very harsh conditions in prison during the

homeland if there is, in fact, some sort of retaliation by the obama administration. w seriously should we take that rhetoric >> if i were part of the administration, i would read it symbolically as they are upset but they are also very scared. i just learned that not a long ago today, the north korean internet system has been shut down or severely disrupted, and one question is: has the u.s. already targeted them, or have the north koreans prehe wouldn't any kind of retaliatory attack by shutting itself down or freelancers or any other source that we might be able to think of? but what's important is that they are more scared of the united states than we are of them, obviously. their cyber technology pales in comparison to what the u.s. can do. i think we need to be cautious. we need to make sure we have all of our facts and that we take seriously north korea's concern and fears and its capabilities but at the same time not overreact. >> catherine moon, a senior fellow at the brookings institution. thank you for coming on the program. we appreciate it? >> thank you ve

but i think the obama administration will be criticized a great deal in those hearings. >> we'll see the president right now. he'll be walking into the roosevelt room. this is an historic room at the white house. relatively small room as i said. there are guests there, top administration officials sitting up front, ash carter's family is up there getting ready for the president and also in the front row carl levin, the outgoing senate arms services committee chairman retiring from the united states senate but he's there right now. so here's the president and ash carter and the vice president. >> good morning, everybody, please have a seat. it is wonderful to be able to announce not the creation but at least the filling of one new job. [ laughter ] but before we do, i wanted to make a somewhat broader statement about the economy and ash is willing to indulge me. last month, america's businesses created more than 300,000 jobs. this keeps a pace so far this year that we have not seen since the 1990s. so far this year over the first 11 months of 2014 our economy has created 2.65 million

ed, so the obama administration knew this movie was coming?> well, they certainly knew it was coming. did they sign off on it? there is a debate about that the daily beast reported on some of these hacked emails from sony extistles suggesting there were some correspondence back and forth with the state department, other top obama administration officials. and that at least one of those officials may have screened some sort of early cut of this movie the interview, and had said, look, it's okay. even though the final scene was shown. which shows the north korean dictator being assassinated and that's what is apparently obviously frustrated the regime so much. i pressed josh ernest at the briefing today about what exactly the administration knew and when they knew it. >> i think this is apparent in the emails that were released that administration officials were consulted about the film prior to its release at the request of officials from the company that was producing the moe. >> i'm not suggesting you were dick taghtd to them. but i'm saying

the obama administration says you open up cuba and that will lead to more freedom. and then you have folks like rubio saying it will only strengthen the regime. >> there are the majority of americans who still support the embargo. saying it gives legitimacy to a government that has violated human rights in five decades, which is absolutely true. and that is a very emotional issue for cuban americans in miami, because many of us have suffered as a result -- or some of us suffered ourselves. so that's one important point and that's something we're going to hear from him and others on both sides of the isle on capitol hill. he said this is all based on an illusion and lie that somehow an economic opening up to cuba will lead to greater human rights. and there i think he is -- i would disagree. because i think in the short-term he is right, it will give the cuban government more strength to hold on. but in the long term like what happened in eastern europe with the fall of communism. the opening to the west was a major factor in the fall of the iron curtain, and i think

after >>> its own sign's tack today there, were sweeping internet outrages, north korea claims obama administration is behind the a making of the movie the interview. the comedy depicts the assassinations of north korean leader. sony produced the movie and u.s. officials say north korea

is your sense that it is entirely left behind when you look at the obama administration policies? >> i think so. the problem ended and it doesn't mean that people are not being interrogated and being abused. what's changed and this is another part, a moral slippery slope. we are droning a lot more than we used to. what senator feinstein is saying, don't torture people because that's horrible, but you can drone them all you want, including out of a practice we carry out called signature strikes. that means you drone someone and you don't know who they are. you don't know their name or identity. you know kind of their behavior. they have the signature pattern of a terrorist. they are killed directly. >> often with their families and animals. that seems to be okay. i have a question. what happens if you get a new administration that thinks the drone practices are all wrong? are you going to drag all of these people in front of a truth and reconciliation committee when the practices are going on, everybody knows about them. everybody knows they are not perfect. that's what we are seei

judiciary committee for hearings to oppose it because that person would be a key person in the obama administrationping president obama implement his illegal, unconstitutional executive action. lou: and, on loretta lynch, in opposing her, what is the practical effect? will it, is there sufficient objection to her to, to avoid -- void her as the president's nominee? >> lou, we don't know yet. i hope there is. there certainly could be if voters help us focus on this travesty of executive amnesty, that is flat-out unconstitutional. it would also help if we went back to the 60-vote rule for executive nominations in the new senate. both of those things are a bit up in the air. lou: no question you're one of the most talented and experienced and brightest people in the senate and -- >> i can point to a lot of folks who would argue with you but i appreciate your opinion. lou: imagine that, a politician with detractors. but your alliance with elizabeth warren, joining forces for her to remove the financial regulation roll back under dodd-frank, that was an alignment people really got their hair on fire abo

while president obama begins his vacation here in hawaii, north korea continues to deny its involvement in the hacking scandal. but the white house isn't buying it. today a senior administration official released a statement saying that the country has a "long history of denying responsibility for destructive and provocative action." just a few hours after president obama arrived in honolulu, a new threat from north korea. [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> reporter: north korean state tv reported that its government is now proposing a joint investigation into the hacking attack against sony pictures saying the inquiry would prove north korea had nothing to do with it and warning of grave consequences if the obama administration declines. in a statement the white house remained firm that north korea was behind the attack writing, if the north korean government wants to help, they can admit their culpability and compensate sony for the damages this attack caused. president obama on friday. >> i announced today that -- and we can confirm that north korea engaged in this attack. >> reporter: the president also had strong words for sony pictures, which pulled the movie "the in

. >>> in this country turning to the obama administration and left wing assault on law enforcement, new york city mayor bill de blasio today met with new york police department and union leaders behind closed doors. their face-to-face meeting cams at largest and most diverse police department is bracing for anti-cop protesters. they plan to storm the times square new year's eve celebration tomorrow night. fox news correspondent david lee miller with the latest for us. >> reporter: new york city mayor bill de blasio met with the leaders of five police unions and police commissioner bill bratton to improve relations between the department and the city's chief executive. the meeting behind closed doors when it was over the head of the police benevolent association who accused of mayor of having blood on his hands after two police officers were slain had little to say over what was accomplished. >> there was no resolve and our thought here today is that actions speak louder than words and time will tell. >> reporter: the mayor's press secretary issued a statement which said in part -- meanw

today the obama administration would not say publicly just who they think is responsible for the massive cyberattack on sony pictures but the government is getting closer and closer to what cnn reported last night with unnamed u.s. officials fingering north korean-tied hackers. we know that guardians of peace raided sony over the movie "the interview" depicting the assassination of north korean dictator kim jong-un. this week the hack turned into a terrorist threat when the group referencing 9/11 issued a warning to would-be moviegoers to stay away from the theaters that showed the flick. sony is scrapping any plan to release the film at all. hollywood seems to be quite fearful. some theaters plan to show in place of "the interview," the 2004 film "team mark world police" which spoofs kim jong-un's father kim jong-il. ♪ i'm so loan knee, so lonely, so lonely and sad and alone ♪ >> but this afternoon, paramount picture has put a stop to that as well telling theaters not to run this 10-year-old movie as first reported. and this afternoon, white house press secretary josh earnest called the

political judgment it would be unwise to prosecute these people because the administration, the obama administrationhis people from the bush administration, fill in the blank may prosecute the obama administration, so they have a vested interest in that. martha: they went back and forth to be sure they knew what they were doing. that person is in prison, so my question is then it becomes ethics. if it is a matter of ethics, why is now the right time given the fact our guys, men and women are still trying to collect intelligence on planned attacks at this moment, judge. >> my opinion is she will no longer be the chair of this committee in three weeks. even though the committee. martha: even though they will get hurt in the process of this release? bill: i agree they will probably not get hurt because all of this information, the techniques of torture, enhanced interrogatio interrogation, in fact most of the people of these techniques applied to them are free. i don't think there is any news in the report of the technique. what is news is the conclusion of cia people in the cia. martha: they did not q

. >> congressional republicans and members of the obama administration are both warning of a backlash overseas to this ro report. but president obama and his team insist it is critical to turn the page. >> reporter: president obama today continued his contradict try response to the senate report, releasing a long written statement, that admitted former president bush had some agonizing joyces after 9/11 and hailed intelligence officials as patriots while mr. obama and vice president biden went on to slam those tactics used by the same patriots was contrary to american values. >> we made a big mistake. >> reporter: and while outgoing defense secretary chuck hagel said in baghdad today, the administration is bracing for possible violence against american interests just days after secretary of state john kerry phoned dianne feinstein to express considerable concerns about the timing. >> i have ordered a all of our comb combat commanders to be on high alert today. >> i think it's a badge of honor, every country, every country has engaged in activities somewhere along the line that it has

reports of halliburton and these other things into motion ministers but you are going after the obama administration and i think you are biased. guest: thank you for your comment. i did investigate halliburton specifically contract fraud under the bush and administration quite heavily so you must've missed that. i want an emmy award for investigating the bush administration's bait and switch on the tarp bailout program and many aspects of the bush administration. a lot of people pick up on my book more often recently -- my work more often recently and didn't bother to look at the history. maybe they read this information and propaganda that has been went out but i am certainly an equal opportunity journalist -- i've been called a liberal so many times in the past now and i tend to be called conservative now. i don't mind, anyway people want to call me. but if you read my research of my work in the past you might change your opinion, you might not. host: your recent stories have prompted people to call you a conservative. conservative outlets picked up your reporting. picked up your reporting on cdc

it is why the obama administration itself is stuck. it's paralyzed. on the one hand he said, we should go. but there was a strand inside of its own administration that we can't overlook the stacks of tens of thousands of bodies of what he's done and work with them. but then there is also this strand of realism that says we've got to work with him. so i think that idea is always out there and it's been applied where we could. i think that practical consideration is a big thing. and i think in the case of egypt, it is in some ways the wrong question. whether obama decided that mubarak should go or not. the egyptian people decided that he should go. i feel like it connects with jim was trying to say in his article. we were somewhat of a bystander in that. our statements mattered quite a lot. but what strikes me is if you look at the counterrevolution, with great popular support into a large extent, the u.s. had been on the sidelines and let ting things play out. moving forward in a place like egypt and some of these other tough cases, if you don't have th

voter. >> oh, yeah, he called americans stupid and then was caught on camera admitting the obama administrationisleading while selling obama care to the public just to make sure that it passed. next week, economist jonathan gruber, a major advisor in drafting the health care law will have to appear before the house oversight committee. congressman, this week jonathan gruber is going to be testifying before the house oversight reform committee. this guy has repeatedly said the american people are stupid. and that's why they were lied to regarding obama care. were you shocked when you heard from his own mouth these kind of statements? >> yeah, and it's why we wanted to bring them in front of the congressional committee and ask him about it. he used taxpayer dollars to deceive taxpayers and once obama became president he made fun of him. so if ever a guy needed to come before congress and answer questions, this is the guy. >> what can you do? what powers does he have when he comeittee? is there any recourse? >> part of what this shows is how bad this law is and the deception that was used to pass

the rhetoric ramped up after the obama administration accused north korea of hacking into sony's computers and threatening violence if the studio releasted a satirical -- president obama bro promised some action. >> i don't think it was an act of war, i think it was an act of cyber vandalism, that was very costly. we will responsibility proportionally. >> some called for a quicker and stronger response. >> the president does not understand that this is a manifestation of a new form of warfare, when you destroy economies, when you are able to impose censorship on the world and especially the united states of america, it's more than vandalism. >> north korea's going to be a growing problem for the foreseeable future. you have a person running that country that is mentally unstable. >> president obama has kept a low profile since starting his two-week vacation in hawaii, but the state department stood by the action in north >> we do urge north korea to exercise restraint, to refrain from further threatening actions at this time. >> sony officials say they will now distribute the film called t

the obama administration does not necessarily do that on a regular basis. that transcript was never officially released by the white house, which is why the press secretary was able to kind of can choose the quotes in order to leave the impression. >> here is paul ryan. we will explain this after we watch it. >> the left is making a big mistake. what they are offering people is a full stomach and an empty soul. the american people want more than that. this reminds me of a story i heard from eloise anderson. she serves in the cabinet of scott walker. [applause] she once met a young boy from a poor family. every day at school, he got a free lunch from a government program. he told eloise he did not want a free lunch. he wanted his own lunch, one in a brown paper bag just like the other kids. he wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown paper bag had someone who cared for him. this is what the left does not understand. >> the problem with that? >> that story was part of a speech he gave to the conservative political action conference. it was wide

the obama administration is sounds likely to see the deal as a victory for its policies. earlier this year the u.s. supported replacing prime minister nouri al-maliki with the more inclusive hiredda inclue of hyde al abadi. >> they said that this agreement would strength iraq's government and the kurdish regional government as they work together to defeat isil. as they seem to come together it's unclear how prime minister al abadi will bring sunni leaders into the fold, and cooperation with the sunnies in the north and west that could prove decisive in the fight against isil. >> what is also unclear is how this deal will affect iraq's national budget. the government was scheduled to present it's budget next week but that budget is outdated as oil prices fall to all-year lows. that leaves the government trying to fight isil while trying to pay the bills at the same time. >> thank you. a growing number of u.s. soldiers say they contracted life-threatening illnesses while deployed. during the wars in iraq and afghanistan the military disposed of hazardous materials in burn p

i just wish that the obama administration had more forceful hand. there is no comparison with the power of the united states and the power of cuba. this is ridiculous. and no embargo. by the way. >> lourdes, is an attorney from little havana. thank you for coming on the program. we appreciate it. cubans in the united states and cuba are reacting not only in city streets and miami, but a lot of discussion and debate has been spilling out on social media. maria ines ferre is here with some of that. >> reporter: yes, david, we're sees reaction. let's start with cuban americans. rebecca said, my grandmother, who emigrated from cuba in 1958, is so happy she's crying. she e-mailed, cuba in 2015? can't wait to see her old home. as cuban american i'm extremely happy to see the start of hopefully good relations between the two. and polbecath writes, i will never set foot on that island until both castros are dead. there are students and people gathered to listen to president obama. in cuba, the cuban five are portrayed as heroes. some refer to them as ambass

it was absolutely atrocious. >> right. >> as we look at the obama administration trying to exploit raceere, aren't there any constraints, any standing? we've got 20 states suing on these issues on amnesty, his executive order. we have got all sorts of conduct issues on the part of this administration. who has, as you folks of the law like to say, standing here besides the american people for being brutalized? >> governor-elect greg abbott of texas, who is the president attorney general of texas, has sued the federal government more than any other sitting attorney general. >> and has been more successful. >> yes, he's won a couple of times. >> he has the best record of any attorney general, he has won more cases than he's lost. >> right. his argument is by the president saying to five million unlawful foreign nationals here's how you can stay here, he has compelled the states to spend their money in ways that they didn't choose to do so, and that is an interference with state sovereignty. that argument has been successful in the past. i don't know where it's going to go but with the luck

seems like the past few administrations, whether it's the obama administration or george bush administration, going back to fdr, every government solution is to take money from our pocket and spend it themselves. listen, i might be fine with that if there was positive benefit. it's been shown in study after stud brenda -- >> you have seen benefit. >> hold on, please. if you take a dollar from me and the government spends it you get back less than a dollar. two, where in the constitution did the founders lay out it's the government's responsibility, whether they do a good job or not, to stimulate the economy? where is that? it's the private sector. it's not the government's job to reign in inflation or tap on the gas or any of that. protect our shores, protect us from ebola, enforce the laws, then go away. >> gary b. -- hold on david. tracy, $18 trillion in debt. what is a few billion between friends? >> that's the way they think. why is it always we have to spend? why isn't it that we talk about tax reform? pull back the regulations. gary b. is dead on. corporate america, small businesses, t