five months into the obama administration he headed to a foreign post somewhere. so as a courtesy, president obama invited the family in for what was supposed to be just a quick greeting and photo, stay in front of the desk and then young jacob, i think it was five at the time, had the presence of mind to say, mr. president, my friends tell me that my haircut is just like yours. wow and with that, barack obama bent over. jacob touched his head. it's happened so fast. look, i've cut his dad's head off so compositionally not the perfect composition. but. but the fact that i precisely got the moment because there's only one picture, one click, but you can his eyes and you see his hand touching his head and like i didn't even know what i had. even though with digital camera you look looking back at the camera because like, you know, there was like all kinds of stuff going on that day. i never really looked back. my camera. and later that day, one of the photo editors that was looking through my take from the day sent me the photo and he said look at this and i was like

and professor gillespie, most recent book is race and the obama administration substance symbols and hope. and her op ed pieces have appeared with many major news organizations since among her current projects is a forthcoming essay on michelle obama and race politics in the united states. claude clegg is lyles jones, distinguished professor of history and african-american and african diaspora studies at the university of north carolina. chapel hill. his teaching and research focus on african-american history. us and southern history and social movements and the us presidency. he is author of avatar. i just want to do equal time here. he is author of the black president hope and fury in the age of obama, which was published last year by johns hopkins press. professor clegg is currently writing a biography of marcus garvey. so thank you so much, andra and claude for joining us here today and to take part in this discussion. let's begin, since you both have written about the obama administration, let's just begin by discussing the challenges that obama faced in the white house. and andr

shokin's statements we heard throughout brian kilmeade's interview with the documents from the obama administrationate they thought barack obama and his team thought viktor shokin was doing a great job rooting out corruption and joe biden altered american foreign policy because he and his family were getting paid. >> yes, it is time to bring him in front of the oversight committee. you see fox news doing the job of the federal government, it is sad he has not been in front of congress. he said the president did not want to do this, but he was being told he had to. joe biden said it on camera, they don't get a billion dollars unless they go through with this. he is holding them hostage to this. he said, this is pay for play, i will pay you, get rid of this guy and protect my son and this business. there is no reason for this business to hire a lobbyist with a drug problem except he has biden for a last name and looks like obama administration did not like this either. joe biden is that corrupt. >> todd: how much longer can democrats bury their hand in the sand? democrats and republicans disagree tod

obama's sick tear of state craft and lobbied the obama administration millions and put pressure on michelle and stepped away from healthy school lunches and talking about exercise. then kraft and big food paid fda and nutrition and bide lines recommend trying sugar and by food companies and pharma companies and issued millions to people making a nutrition guidelines and those nutrition guidelines inform the school lunch guidelines and trillion funding of school lunches and using those guidelines that they paid for and it is now their $25 billion can transfer now for the federal treasury with school lunch programs and highly processed food and i'm begging, john kerry, begging michelle obama, mr. kerry, i know you like to fly on your private jet but please, these people need to have moral courage and say enough is enough and we cannot be serving highly processed food to kids as kids, jesse, are getting slaughtered right now. jesse: how can we lobby the biden administration to shut this stupid money transfer to heinz and kraft to make the kids sick? how can we shut that down? >> well, jesse, t

general flynn, one of the reasons that he got his positions in the obama administration is because he was a democrat for years and years and years, he'd always voted democrat. he he was a cultural democrat for decades. and and yet he was the person that targeted to to to just as the trump administration was coming in, because they didn't want the military industrial complex challenged, he lost his job with obama because he was challenging it. and you i love at one time, general flynn said to me, said, you know, if there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq, i would have known because i was guy they sent there to find them. he said, floyd, i've turned over every rock in iraq and there aren't any weapons of mass destruction. so these are false narratives that were given year, year by republican, democrat administrations and only did one thing. they kept the military industrial complex in business and growing. so floyd brown who's doing the counterpunching? so the counterpunching is the unlikely alliance and you know my wife daughter is getting married in in october and she's marryin

it's true the obama administration coming out of the financial crisis, trying to bring back the economy, the recovery act of 2009 spent money and try to build up a solar manufacturing base in the united states. at the time they looked around and said the u.s., we are going to invest in the most advanced solar technology. if we can bring them to market they will generate more electricity than the existing solar we have now and investments were made by the government on that theory. at the same time china was trying to come back from a financial crisis and chinese entrepreneurs were part of the story. in 2010 and 11 china skilled up its manufacturing of conventional solar panels. normal technology that existed at the time because they skilled up so much. and basically got so good at making solar panels, they brought down the cost. that cut down all the american solar manufacturers and by that point it was 2011, 2012 congress flipped over, no real interest in protecting investments americans had made. >> thank you for joining us. i am here with the prosecutor and investigators who have wor

maria: part of this, how this happened is after the obama administration people in the obama administration left and went and got jobs in social media. so you've got obama political hacks working at facebook, obama political hacks working at twitter and at all of these social media companies and so it's easy for them to just collude, kelly, with government officials because they know them. >> yeah. absolutely. and a couple reactions to this. my first thought is, war, wow, facebook stood up more than twitter did when they were having these meetings. that's hard to believe. maria: there was debate about it within the house. >> exactly. but this is unacceptable. i'll be honest with you. i have a family member that has had cardiac issues. he's gone to a doctor and one of the issues that is, well, this could be a side effect from the vaccine or covid. we've we've seen athletes have cardiac arrest. why can't we have debate? this concerns me what is going to happen the next election if we've already seen censorship coming out of the white house. maria: to terrible. >> djokovic, not allowed to come

obama administration many more times than previously reported.ks like at least 36 different visits logged. the president, as you know, insisted many times he never spoke to his son about foreign business indicating he didn't even know what burisma was. take a listen. >> nothing was unethical. i later learned of burisma nothing was unethical. here's what the deal. with regard to ukraine. we had this whole question about whether or not because he was on the board, i later learned, of a burisma. >> devon archer and other of hunter's former associates claimed in recent deposition that the president actually attended a burisma dinner back in 2015 and also, this biden penned a letter to archer in 2011 after the two both attended the same lunch writing, quote: i apologize to the not getting a chance to talk to you at the luncheon yesterday. i was having trouble getting away from hessing president hu. i hope to get to see you again. ps, happy you guys are together. all of this is prompting the house speaker to renew his calls for impeachment inquiriy. >>

damian: talk about your tenure in the obama administration and what that was like, and who was it thatcalled you and said, "can you join our team?" julie: well, i was fst irlled by a dear friend of mine, someone who's been a colleague, and, you know, a mentor throughout the years, stephanie valencia, who said, you know, "i've been given the opportunity to step into a deputy role in the office of public engagement," and she said, "i think you should apply for my position." so i was taken aback. i mean, never in my mind was this, sort of, even something opportunity, and, fortunately, you know, i was hired not that long after. damian: you know, it was those roots but maybe being genuine and straightforward. is that maybe what lured you to them? julie: definitely, i mean, i think what i saw coming into government was something that i did not expect. i expected government to be, and especially at this level, much more, i would say, cutthroat, much more--i don't know--just, a lot more politics, to be honest, and what i found was a group of extremely committed people who saw that government w

you are the assistant secretary for civil-rights with the obama administration. i come back? -- why come back? >> i didn't want to leave. [laughter] the career staff -- gave me repeated reminders that it would be unseemly for security to walk me out. it was the last day and i was devastated to leave and i was -- it was incredibly hard to be away from the office from the time i was away, i am a lifelong civil-rights lawyer. you didn't say that but i will say myself. i spent 17 years suing government before coming to government. when i came -- i saw how much change we can make and how quickly and there is no place else in the country where i can do as much good as i can at the office of civil rights and i am so desperate to be back. i would be devastated when i have to leave again and i hoping that is 5.5 years. putting the stem of the office, the work that we see is extraordinary and the ability to make change for millions of people that is consistent with our country's highest at -- on what civil rights should mean for students, there is no other way to have that kind of reac

this true in october of 2015 it became official the obama administration policy after a study that ukrainee enough improvement in terms of ethices and corruption they were okay and gave a sign off on the billion dollars loan guarantee that joe biden was supposed to deliver in december of 2015? is that true? >> that is true. we just found that out this week. i can't believe no one asked that question before. it appears that joe biden created this narrative and the media went along with it that the already was corrupt. we found that the biden administration applauded the efforts the ukraine prosecutor had done. >> sean: and december 4, hunter biden was meeting with burisma executives in dubai. this is a critical moment because burisma wanted d.c. help to get rid of the prosecutor investigating them for corruption? they called joe biden and 5 days later on december 9, 2015, joe biden went to ukraine, spoke to their parliament and leveraged a billion dollars and said you are not getting it unless you fire the prosecutor so my son can be enriched and paid? is that the right timeline, sir? >> th

is it true, sir, that in october of 20 15 that itf 205 became official obama the obama administration policy after interagency study, that in fact, that ukraine hay thatde enough improvement in terms of ethics and corruption that they were okay with and they gave a sign offav guarant the billion dollar loan guarantee that joe biden was supposed to delive joe bidr two months later in december of 2015. is that truer ? >> that is true.d and that's just we just found o that outut week. i can't believe no one asked that question before. bun t it appears that joe biden created this narrative in the medi a, went along with it that shokin was corrupt and he needed to be terminated. now, we found correspondence from the obama administration that applauded the reform efforts that shokin the ukrainian prosecutor had done. and is it also true after that october policy change, that in december fourth, to be exact, that hunter biden wasbe meeting with burisma executives in dubai? and while that meeting was going on, this was a critical moment because burisma desperatels a y d.c. help to get rid of

there might be at-this-point be, when b i was covering the white house it was the obama administration, tip it may have changed but i would not be surprised if has not, there is so much security around airir force one the technology is so specific to an aircraft that carries the president of the united statest, that if they prevent people in pros cabin from openly communicating their location that would not surprise me. >> also known at welcome to federal government. >> let's -- >> do they use blackeries in the federal government. >> i have palm pilot. >> a real work phone. >> thank you so much, this has been fun. >> thank you, ari. [applause] >> thanks.. ♪ ♪ this yearbook tv marks 25 years of shining a spotlight on leading nonfiction authors and their books, book tv provided viewers with front row seats with latest. you can watch book tv sunday on c-span 2 or on-line. book tv, 25 years of television for serus readers. ♪ ♪ nonfiction book lovers, c-span has a number of podcasts for you. on "q&a" hear wideranging conversations with authors and others who are making things happen. and co

. >> the obama administration per the obama administration sai d take it that's not true.is joe biden. >> okay. his deputy, has even confirmed that he wasn't investigating. our own u.s. investigator to. if you think the international community cares enough about hunter biden's $50,000 a month to keep someone an office. >> why wouldn't joe biden doingm >> because he wasn't doing his job.nine >> why doesn't joe biden care about these prosecutors.t he was hired to investigate corruptions hi in he was not do so. he did, actually.ig whenat he testified before the oversight committee, that's exactly what he saidifie. he was asked about the role. agreed with the statement that he didn't pursue corruption and investigations against the owner . w >> that is not true. >> yes it is. >> read the transcript. >> yes it is true. >> who was the state department 's top point person on e?id t said that he was doing a good job fighting crime. john kerry was saying the same thing that shokin was doing a good job fighting corruption.in this was in june of 2015. all of a sudden in january of 20

>> we know the obama administration internally warned biden that his son was running around ukraine, ing around russia, taking bags of cash. why didn't obama decide to take biden off of the ukraine mandate? right? they were warned. they warned biden and hunter personally and yet he stayed on there. so i'm curious about the obama administration's complicity. >> well, obama wasn't exactly a micro manager, clearly. he allowed a lot of this to take place and at the one point he said joe, i hope you know what you're doing, right. and he also said never leave it up to joe to -- i'm not quoting him right -- to foul things up and that prophecy came to fruition. maria: look, real quick on the end of september, government running out of money. do you expect you'll have a continuing resolution? what's the plan? >> we need the problem solved. kevin mccarthy is very good at that as you know. so as well as steve scalise and others. so we likely will not have or appropriations complete by september 30th. i would imagine a short-term cr and then we run republican majority appropriations, allocations

support in bosnia, 9/11 of course, the capture -- the killing of osama bin laden during the obama administration. each of those you see a spike in public confidence in the military. guest: this is the single highest driver. if americans feel they are at war, they will rally to the flag. part of rallying to the flag is rallying to support the troops. particularly after a dramatic event like 9/11 when suddenly all of the danger that used to be over there is now over here, that caused a big drive-up in public confidence across-the-board. we are leaving that war frame, and more and more americans are not considering themselves to be at war. yes, they see a future threat in china, but it did not feel the same as it did in the weeks and months after 9/11. that opens the door for americans to return to a more traditional view about the military, which is ambivalence. host: how long has gallup been tracking this? guest: it has been going on mostly since the vietnam war. there has been a steady increase in public confidence in the military since the vietnam war. it drove up particularly in the reagan yea

steroids once covid hit a karng keeping that even when economy is expanding, expanding the end of obama administrationadministration, we don't have many times left think about compounding effects of this week in inflation crisis prices up 16%, offer since joe biden took office, food up 19%. for used car prices up 30% electricity prices up 23%, so fed doesn't see finally a still two times benchmark in core cpi go the war is won going to start with cuts, and ramping up balance sheet no. it is very possible this recession does not look like previous recessions, in the sense that there is still two million missing workers able to cash out of the economy retire early, specifically because the fed propped up housing bubble in 2021 able to get incredible deals everyone wanted a mortgage, 2.5% lock it in able to retire early, so we might not have massive sleet of unemployment labor force participating rate is more than a point below where it was under donald trump. maria: overall good port better-than-expected core number when you dig into report you see inflation is a problem thomas give that state of affair

like there was a story when i was a white house correspondents covering the obama administration. i don't write about this one in the book but it was -- the fiscal cliff, which bore little similarities to the deaths when it struck they were dealing with now. i was so frustrated with telling all of these incremental stories about the fiscal cliff day after day and i just decided you something which this audience might appreciate which was, the fiscal cliff for english majors. so i went to somebody at the shakespeare library. and all these other places. and i asked what the great works of literature help us understand about the political fight that barack obama and john boehner engaged in. it was purely out of my frustration and exhaustion with the repetition of the story that i desperately reached for something new. and came up with a thing that i thought actually turned out to be very elegant and insightful and different from other stories we told about that. >> you do write in the book about being assigned to the white house team and feeling conflicted about it because you didn't

there is a story when i was a white house correspondent covering the obama administration i do not writeut this one in the, book. which bore a lot of similarities to the death limits we are dealing with now. i was so frustrated with telling all of these incremental stories day after day. i decided to do something with his audience might appreciate which was the fiscal cliff for english majors. went to somebody at the shakespeare library in ford's theater and these other places in the with the great works of literature help us understand about the political fight that barack obama were engaged in. it was it purely out of my frustration and exhaustion with the repetition of the story i desperately reached for something new and came up with this thingng that turned out toe very elegant, insightful and different from other stories we told about that. >> you right in the book about beingg assigned and feeling conflicted about it. in the white house coverage you get very specific. >> sort of the phraseer is the non- referred to power. and so the challenge as a white house correspondent and the

and under pressure from the obama administration at the time uganda back in 2014 backed down. this time uganda is going ahead and they think the biden administration is going to let them and they're going to keep getting all the assistance they've ever had from the united states with no changes and no strings attached. the biden administration said it would reassess this relationship. so far they're not. what will the consequences be if any this time around? will they keep their word? confounding swaz here. watch this space. watch this space more cash. you think those two have any idea? that they can sell their life insurance policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe they're just sitting up there! sitting on all this cash. if you own a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more, you can sell all or part of it to coventry. even a term policy. for cash, or a combination of cash and coverag

. >> jesse: you know who wasn't in to firing him in the obama administration.bama administration said yeah, they were so corrupt -- >> jessica: that's not true. >> jeanine: it is true. >> jessica: viktor shokin's deputy has even confirmed that he wasn't investigating burisma. our own u.s. ambassador to ukraine, george kent confirmed it. if you think about -- >> jesse: why would joe biden want him on? >> jessica: he'sn't do his job. >> jeanine: why do you he's care about prosecutors? why does he care about this one guy? >> jesse: why would he gone? >> jessica: he would want him gone because he was hired to investigate corruption -- >> jesse: so he wanted burisma investigated? >> jessica: so when devin archer testified, that's what he said. he was being asked about this viktor shokin's role. he told them that he was good for burisma and he agreed with the statement that shokin didn't pursue corruption and investigations against burisma's owner. you should watch it. >> jesse: that's not true. >> jessica: yes, it is true. dan goldman was asking the questions. >> je

there was a story, when i was a white house correspondent covering the obama administration, i don't write this one in the book, it was the fiscal cliff which more lot of similarities to the debt limits we're dealing with now. and i was so frustrated with telling all of these incremental stories about the fiscal cliff day after day, i decided to do something which the audience might appreciate which was the fiscal cliff for english majors. and so i went to somebody at the shakespeare library in the four theater and on these other places and i asked what the great works of literature help us understand about the political fight that barack obama and john boehner were engaged in. it was clearly out my frustration and exhaustion with the desperately reach for something new, but that turned out to be very new endeavor from other stories we told about. >> do you write in the book about being being assigned to the white house beaten feeling conflicted about it. because in the white house coverage you just give very specific things said to you. >> a pejorative phrases to not refer to power.

it was met with massive resistance within the country itself but also from the obama administration atistration at the time, uganda back in 2014 backed down. this time uganda is going ahead and they think the biden administration is going to let them and that they're going to keep getting all the assistance they've ever had from the united states with no changes and no strings attached. the biden administration said it would reassess this relationship. so far they're not. what will the consequences be, if any, this time around? will they keep their word? confounding situation here. watch this space. that's why herbal essences is packed with naturally derived plant ingredients you love, and none of the stuff you don't. our sulfate-free collections smell incredible... ♪ and leave your hair touchably soft and smooth. ♪ herbal essences i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. on the top of the pile! oh. only pay for what you need. ♪ liber

when i was the white house correspondent covering the obama administration, i don't write about this one in the book, but it was the fiscal cliff which bore. a lot of similarities to the debt limit fight that we're dealing with now and i was so frustrated with telling all of these incremental stories about the fiscal cliff day after day that, i decided to do something which this audience might appreciate, which was the fiscal cliff for english majors. and so i went to somebody at the folger shakespeare library in a ford's theater in all these other places. and i asked what the great works of literature help us understand about the political that barack obama and john boehner were engaged in. and so it was purely out of my frustration and exhaustion with the repetition of the story that i desperately reached for something new and came up with this thing that i thought actually turned out to be very elegant and insightful and different from other stories we had told about that. well, you do write in the book about, you know, being being assigned to the the white house beat and feeling

when i was covering the white house, it was the obama administration.at this point things may have changed it. i wouldn't be surprised if it has not, there's so much security around air force one, technology is so specific to an aircraft that carries the president of the united states that if they prevent people in the press cabin from openly communicating their location it wouldn't surprise me. >> welcome to the federal government. >> host: did they issue you a blackberry? >> i have a real -- >> thank you so much. this has been so fun. [applause] >> this yearbook tv marks 25 years of shining a spotlight on leading nonfiction authors and their books, from other talks, interviews and festivals. booktv has provided viewers with the front row seat to the latest literary discussions on history, politics and so much more. you can watch booktv every sunday on c-span2 or online, booktv.org. booktv, 25 years of television for serious readers. >> live on sunday, september 3rd on "in depth," author and essayist mary everest at joins booktv to talk and take your c

uh, after the crimean events , i found how the obama administration reacts to what is happening, andto tell you, even in comparison, it is much more incompetent. much more adventurous , why is that the main thesis of the experts and specialists in the obama administration they were talking about? no clashes of proxy wars on the territory of ukraine will be within the power of the united states. less than an exchange of nuclear strikes in all clashes, russia will win, because for russia, ukraine is existential problem. and for america, it's not an existential problem. russia is ready to lay it out, the president himself absolutely said it , and obama says it too. why is this surprising? he didn’t even put the develins, that is, the simplest javel. he says, no, it will come from the well. we won't get anything good here. here, look at the biden due to a number of circumstances, afghanistan is shameful there. the flight from there is a difficult situation in america, internal, and so on after the code , he was drawn into himself. here he pulled himself swamp because he said. this is not

and during the obama administration hunter attended several state dinners. and hunter biden in 2020 decided to drop secret service protection. could this have been for any reason other than concern that his father might be implicated in some of these business deals? >> well, it's incredibly sleazy to have been doing what he was doing, basically accompanying his father on business repeatedly official u.s. government business and then using it as his own business opportunity. and i would think that if he had secret service protection while he was -- while he was on burisma's board and doing business with them it would look even too bad for hunter. there's not much that embarrassed him, apparently, but that would look even too bad for him. that's a very good guess on your part. and i think congress should keep digging. i'm going to tell you something. you are not going to get anything from the u.s. -- from the investigation by david weiss. it doesn't matter whether you call him special counsel or special pubah. it was a mistake to have him do it. and something

last month the obama administration announced that it would increase the annual refugee quota over the next two years to assist with this humanitarian crisis. the annual quota which has been set at 70,000 to 80,000 for over a decade now will increase to a hundred thousand by the end of fiscal year 2017. presumably to accommodate a greater share of syrian refugees. within our immigration bureaucracy, there are several tracks for admission and over the course of the semester. we've discussed some of those tracks of admission. today we are going to discuss two additional tracks the refugee and asylum tracks. as you know from your class readings americans have used the word refugee. throughout the 19th and 20th centuries to describe a wide range of migration experiences. during the mid-19th century, for example americans referred to the germans fleeing the 1848 revolution in europe as refugees. in 1865 as part of the post-civil war reconstruction the federal government established an agency known as the bureau of refugees freedmen and abandoned lands more popularly known as the freedmen's

shokin also blamed the obama administration for what he called inaction after russia launched its invasion annexation of crimea in 2014. he said that paved the way for putin launching his full scale invasion of ukraine 18 months ago. aishah? aishah: lucas tomlinson live at the white house, thanks. griff: four people including at least one student were shot and injured at a high school football game in oklahoma last night. video from the incident shows players and speck spectators cram is bling to safe -- scrambling to safety as the shots rang out. bryan llenas is live9 with the latest on this story. >> reporter: we just received an update from the choctaw police department. they now say three people were shot, not four, including a 16-year-old male who has since died from their wounds. he was shot in the groin area. a 42-year-old man was shot in the chest and is recovering in stable condition in the icu, and a young female was shot in the leg, she has been treated and released. this was the scene last night at a high school football game in choctaw, oklahoma. players and coaches and fans r

not that they would go back into the full agreement that a negotiator originally under the obama administrationadministration, but maybe had this sort of informal agreement where the iranians cap the level of enrichment that they do of uranium, and the united states wouldn't impose new sanctions to kind of keep things in a status quo situation. it's not very satisfying probably to either side but would have avoid an escalation of hostilities in the near-term. we'll see if that goes anywhere. >> the president had to know he's going to get some political blowback, at least from the other side of the aisle here at home, and yet still moving forward. they think this is the best option. >> well, they do. it obviously does raise questions, you know, allowing iran access to its own money. it's its own oil money that has been frozen. it automatically raises the question of whether we're paying ransom money for hostages. that's what mike pence said yesterday, the largest ransom payment ever paid to tehran for hostages, and the question is whether that sets a precedent that other countries will take heed

shokin always blamed the obama administration for not doing enough.tial invasion of crimea in 2014. >> translator: everybody knows that it was because of joe biden's actions that russia was able to claim crimea with without firing a single shot. which, of course, eventually led to a full scale war that is currently underway. >> reporter: some say biden's waiving of sanctions on the nord stream 2 pipeline shortly after taking office and then conducting that hasty withdrawal from afghanistan which at the time fractured nato, nato wanted the u.s. to stay, helped give the green light to putin to launch that full scale invasion and, of course, aishah, as you reported the other day, perhaps if the president had promised those f-16s before putin invaded, history e might be very different today. aishah: we will never know. lucas tomlinson, thank you so much. britch griffin all right, for more on this developing story we're joined by a cornell law professor and criminal defense attorney. randy, you just heard lucas' report there, and we've actually got a littl

to help the obama administration to help fire the ukrainian prosecutor investigating the firm.oug, your reaction to this. we had congressman van drew on in the last hour, your former colleague. let's play the sound bite. here's what he told us about the idea of impeachment. >> i don't want to wait anymore. we have enough. the impeachment inquiry will give us the ability to have more intense investigation, it gives the bodies namely the judiciary committee that i sit on more power. we waited long enough. at least let's do the inquiry. this is a tangled web of lives. cheryl: doug, your reaction. >> he's exactly right. i think the reason he's exactly right is because when you look at the impeachment inquiry, there's a r step to go through that. it unlocks powers that congress doesn't normally have. i fought against jerry nadler and the democrats, they never formally launched the impeachment inquiry. that's why they couldn't get grand jury testimony. if we do it properly, if they're saying there's enough evidence, do it the right way. look at it as a long-term process, it's not two