obama administration obama administration telling state department, stop. it is enough. lou: quickly turn to senate where health care legislation now has landed. some senators want to begin brand-new legislation as fred barnes here pointed out earlier. that is what senators do. the rudest son of a guns, but, did looks to me like prospects are about as bright as we could have imagined for trump's legislation to move through the house and be pass by senate and on his desk for a signature. what do you think? >> i'm going to try to be add sanguine as possible, it's hard to do with these beltway barnacles, who have been encrusted on uss government vehicle for so long. they are going to want to tear it up and start over again, keeping in mind, i'm unhappy as far as this house package went. i think it should have been far more radical, they should have delivered the promise they had made to the american people to fully repeal it. but that is politics, that is how the sausage is made. and i. think it behooved people who were most affected by rising costs of premium and deductibles like me, under obamacare i saw 3 of my own individual plans canceled, less choice, longer waiting lines, and you know more of the bureaucratic headache. people who really need to know we have to get back to as much of a free market, system in health care. that is where the superiority and elength i excellence in our health care system comes from. lou: and competition in that marketplace will lead to lower premiums. michelle gate to see you thank you. >> thank you. lou: be sure to vote in our policy night, do you think it's clear that the dems are in charge of customer relations at united and delta airlines, they seem somehow connected. we went prove it, cast your vote on sweater @lou dobbs, follow me on twitter, and like me on facebook. on wall street's record breaking day for stocks, dow up 55, and s&p up 10. nasdaq up 25, boykin dexes closing at new all-time highs volume on big board 3.5 million shares. >> and stocks closing higher after the strong jobs report. unemployment rate fell to 4. 4%, the lowest level in a decade. wages are 2.5% from a year ago. and reminder, listen to my report 3 times a way coast on coast on salem radio network. up next, new concern at two of world's most dangerous nations, may be colluding on their nuclear - nuclear program. >> we'll have a full report for you here, next, stay with us. lou: defense official say north korea expirnoknorth korea and iran may be sharing. that submarine is a north korean design. it is same type that sank a south korean warship in 2020. not so cute. north korea also stepping up rhetoric against the united states accuses cia and south korea of plotting to kill kim jong-un, fox news, greg pal cot with our report. reporter: north korean leader kim jong-un, the target of an assassination attempt, orchestrated by cia and south korea counterpart. that is what north korea media claim today. the hit was supposed to have happened at a military parade in pyongyang last month, fox news was there. and armed him with a dirty bomb, containing video active material, pyongyang said they thwarted the plot. >> part of information warfare. it is largely or probably propaganda on part of the north korea regime. reporter: still targeting kim jong-un is not that far fetched, there have been reports of u.s. military exercising decapitating regime leadership to cut short a potentially lengthy conflict. and another way regime set on requiring a nuk nuclear tip missile hitting u.s. could be stopped, would be through an internal coop. >> no wonder he ha been. >> released today, images purporting to show him north korea troops near a south korea island. a retaliation in response to allege plot of the at threatened. no coincident mike pompeoion pompeii visited that once targeted island in his trip, trying to get a better first hand understanding of a north korea threat. lou: thank you. >> we're coming right back, much more ahead. >> stay with us. >> new revelations that director of fbi initially gave credence to a anti-trump dossier. >> the man who wrote the dossier admitted in court it has unverified claims. does that sound like a reliable basis for law enforcement or intelligence actions? lou: we take unth up the shocking claims with lieutenant colonel tony shafer, next. >> these base jumpers going to extreme heights for slip and lead fun, coming up here next, we'll be back with that and lou: new developments about f.b.i. director james comey and the anti-trump dossier. sources tell fox news director comey pushed for the dossier of unverified claims against donald trump to be included in the intel report on russian meddling in the election. comey earlier this week refused to answer questions about the f.b.i.'s relationship with the dossier author, christopher seal and his russian ties as welt. joining me now to talk about the f.b.i. dossier. we are joined by the senior fellow from london center for research, tony shaffer. let's talk about the he call yarl idea that the director of the f.b.i. was even chanted by a dossier that everybody else thought was peculiar. >> i would call it ludicrous. this is the ultimate form of opposition research. there is absolutely no way a james comey would have accepted a similar dossier proced by similar people of questionable character and hillary clinton. lou: that dossier was prepared, apparently, at the behest and through payment from the clinton campaign. >> precisely. to me this indicates james comey while he triets to put a final veneer of putting the people's head of the f.b.i. -- lou: it's more like lord comey. but this what we have to consider here. when you consider the fact that he went and basically did somersaults to create a legal loophole to not charge her regarding the use of classified information on her server. if you or i drove drunk and killed someone because of negligence, i don't think they have to prove intent. but he threw that intent in there claiming she didn't intend to be negligent. it's insane. lou: some people have the highest regard for him in law. and yet we are sitting here with an investigation that still goes on. it seems the f.b.i. can do nothing in less than a year's time. when it does do something, at least politically related. there is no conclusion. it's just a big cloud am by:giewt, and the director seems frozen by ambivalence by truth, justice and the american way. >> we saw that direct application of ambivalence destroying the f.b.i. it's not good anywhere in the organization. lou: north korea. the intelligence we have about north korea is always scant by comparison to every other country our intelligence agencies are trying to surveil and analyze. what -- do we know enough right now about what is happening with kim jong-un with his nuclear program, his ballistic missile program? at what point do we know enough te action >> as an intelligence officer you ner have everything you want. the colorado colin powell is the best you are going to get. believe it or not i any we are over 50. i don't think we are at 80 yet. the idea is, we have had plans on the books since the early:niernlts, some of which i was directly involved in planning regarding going in to do something to get these nuclear facilities it's always been a political policy decision to not do something. this may change. president trump has been change all sorts of paradigms. i think we are on the road to getting sufficient critical mass. but you may see something out of this administration taking direct action against north korea. lou: if you will, roll the video. a dangerous heart-stopping twist on the slim of and slide. this is what we call a giant slip and slide on a cliff 500 feet hide. the daredevils slipping and twisting through the air before they pull a parachute and lands safely below. you have got to have a desperate need for an adrenaline rush. another foreign company announces investment in this country. >> we want them to create higher-paying jobs in america. lou: steve forbes joins me right here next. taxes, jobs, economic growth, all the good stuff. all the good stuff. at crowne plaza we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. 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"i used to be a prince. but no princess would kiss me now." lou: this is the final day of campaigning in the french presidential race. the mainstream political parties. emanuel macron extending his lead over the pop stlift candidate marine le meant latest polling. this represents the result of about four polls. and french elections polls have been historically very, very accurate. but you should know historically these polls have been very, very accurate. sunday night 7:00 p.m. eastern we'll have especially coverage of the french presidential election. joining me to discuss the populist movement, forbes media chairman editor-in-chief steve forbes. this has been an extraordinary week for the president, his administration. wing on spending and healthcare, revitalizing the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. the house did so with his leadership. paul ryan of all people crediting the president for his leadership on the issue. people we are saying it couldn't be done. >> he made it happen. that's what leadership is all about. one of the things i loved is the new secretary offing a * sonny perdue starting to do away with michelle obama's rules on what kids eat at schools. they were throwing away so much, they are make it tasty again. lou: it has been an era of contempt for the citizens of this country. she knew better than anyone else. too the condescension from the left is the reason trump wouldn't election. lou: you can watch it now with chuck schumer as he leads these silly, bizarre the the if against neil gorsuch, a jurist of the greatest order and respect, and schumer acting like a venal, petty pall. >> gorsuch-like appointments will be appointed to replace any justices that retire. lou: in the senate the healthcare bill rests. apparently a number of senators want to begin anew. your thoughts on what we have awaiting us there. >> it's part of the sausage factory. senate pde bng whait is. they can't say we'll accept the house bill. they will want to say, it's ours. the president is smart enough to know, get the thing done, spread the credit so the senators want to go on the next rose garden thing? fine. senators l

obama administration obama administration telling state department, stop. it is enough. lou: quickly turn to senate where health care legislation now has landed. some senators want to begin brand-new legislation as fred barnes here pointed out earlier. that is what senators do. the rudest son of a guns, but, did looks to me like prospects are about as bright as we could have imagined for trump's legislation to move through the house and be pass by senate and on his desk for a signature. what do you think?>> i'm going d sanguine as possible, it's hard to do with these beltway barnacles, who have been encrusted on uss government vehicle for so long. they are going to want to tear it up and start over again, keeping in mind, i'm unhappy as far as this house package went. i think it should have been far more radic, thhoul have delivered the promise they had made to the american people to fully repeal it. but that is politics, that is how the sausage is made. and i. think it behooved people who were most affected by rising costs of premium and deductibles like me, under obamacare i saw 3 of my own individual plans canceled, less choice, longer waiting lines, and you know more of the bureaucratic headache. people who really need to know we have to get back to as much of a free market, system in health care. that is where the superiority and elength i excellence in our health care system comes from. lou: and competition in that marketplace will lead to lower premiums. michelle gate to see you thank you. >> thank you. lou: be sure to vote in our policy night, do you think it's clear that the dems are in charge of customer relations at united and delta airlines, they seem somehow connected. we went prove it, cast your vote on sweater @lou dobbs, follow me on twitter, and like me on facebook. on wall street's record breaking day for stocks, dow up 55, and s&p up 10. nasdaq up 25, boykin dexes closing at new all-time highs volume on big board 3.5 million shares. >> and stocks closing higher after the strong jobs report. unemployment rate fell to 4. 4%, the lowest level in a decade. wages are 2.5% from a year ago. and reminder, listen to my report 3 times a way coast on coast on salem radio network. up next, new concern at two of world's most dangerous nations, may be colluding on their nuclear - nuclear program. >> we'll have a full report for you here, next, stay with us. i am totally blind. i lost my sight in afghanistan. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com. lou: defense official say north korea expirnoknorth korea and iran may be sharing. that submarine is a north korean design. it is same type that sank a south korean warship in 2020. not so cute. north korea also stepping up rhetoric against the united states accuses cia and south korea of plotting to kill kim jong-un, fox news, greg pal cot with our report. reporter: north korean leader kim jong-un, the target of an assassination attempt, orchestrated by cia and south korea counterpart. that is what north korea media claim today. the hit was supposed to have happened at a military parade in pyongyang last month, fox news was there. and armed m with a dirty bomb, containing video active material, pyongyang said they thwarted the plot. >> part of information warfare. it is largely or probably propaganda on part of the north korea regime. reporter: still targeting kim jong-un is not that far fetched, there have been reports of u.s. military exercising decapitating regime leadership to cut short a potentially lengthy conflict. and another way regime set on requiring a nuk nuclear tip missile hitting u.s. could be stopped, would be through an internal coop. >> no wonder he ha been. >> released today, images purporting to show him north korea troops near a south korea island. a retaliation in response to allege plot of the at threatened. no coincident mike pompeoion pompeii visited that once targeted island in his trip, trying to get a better first hand understanding of a north korea threat. lou: thank you. >> we're coming right back, much more ahead. >> stay with us. >> new revelations that rector of fbi initially gave credence to a anti-trump dossier. >> the man who wrote the dossier admitted in court it has unverified claims. does that sound like a reliable basis for law enforcement or intelligence actions? lou: we take unth up the shocking claims with lieutenant colonel tony shafer, next. >> these base jumpers going to extreme heights for slip and lead fun, coming up here next, we'll be back with that and lou: new developments about f.b.i. director james comey and the anti-trump dossier. sources tell fox news director comey pushed for the dossier of unverified claims against donald trump to be included in the intel report on russian meddling in the election. comey earlier this week refused to answer questions about the f.b.i.'s relationship wi the dossier author, christopher seal and his russian ties as welt. joining me now to talk about the f.b.i. dossier. we are joined by the senior fellow from london center for research, tony shaffer. let's talk about the he call yarl idea that the director of the f.b.i. was even chanted by a dossier that everybody else thought was peculiar. >> i would call it ludicrous. this is the ultimate form of opposition research. there is absolutely no way a james comey would have accepted a similar dossier produced by similar people of questionable character and hillary clinton. lou: that dossier was prepared, apparently, at the behest and through payment from the clinton campaign. >> precisely. to me this indicates james comey while he triets to put a final veneer of putting the people's head of the f.b.i. -- lou: it's more like lord comey. but this what we have to consider here. when you consider the fact that he went and basically did sorsaults toreate a legal loophole to not charge her regarding the use of classified information on her server. if you or i drove drunk and killed someone because of negligence, i don't think they have to prove intent. but he threw that intent in there claiming she didn't intend to be negligent. it's insane. lou: some people have the highest regard for him in law. and yet we are sitting here with an investigation that still goes on. it seems the f.b.i. can do nothing in less than a year's time. when it does do something, at least politically related. there is no conclusion. it's just a big cloud am by:giewt, and the director seems frozen by ambivalence by truth, justice and the american way. >> we saw that direct application of ambivalence destroying the f.b.i. it's not good anywhere in the organization. lou: north korea. the intelligence we have about north korea is always scant by comparison to every other country our intelligence agencies are trying to surveil and analyze. what -- do we know enough right now about what is happening wh kim jong-un with his nuclear program, his ballistic missile program? at what point do we know enough to take action? >> as an intelligence officer you never have everything you want. the colorado colin powell is the best you are going to get. believe it or not i any we are over 50. i don't think we are at 80 yet. the idea is, we have had plans on the books since the early:niernlts, some of which i was directly involved in planning regarding going in to do something to get these nuclear facilities it's always been a political policy decision to not do something. this may change. president trump has been change all sorts of paradigms. i think we are on the road to getting sufficient critical mass. but you may see something out of this administration taking direct action against north korea. lou: if you will, roll the video. a dangerous heart-stopping twist on the slim of and slide. this is what we call a giant slip and slide on a cliff 500 feet hide. the daredevils slipping and twisting through the air before they pull a parachute and lands safely below. you have got to have a desperate ne f an adrenaline rush. another foreign company announces investment in this country. >> we want them to create higher-paying jobs in america. lou: steve forbes joins me right here next. taxes, jobs, economic growth, all the good stuff. is there an elk in your bed? 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obama administration banned. -- the obama administration ban. the obama administration said you couldn't lobbying your former agency for two years. now, it is a five-year ban, not just on lobbying your agency, but on any lobbying activities involving your former employing agency. i think claudia went through some of the differences between what a lobbying conduct is mostly be a lobbying activity. in a lot of ways, the ban is much broader. there is a ban on lobbying activities outside your agency related to certain senior officials in the executive branch. no one is at this point that this will be through 2020 march through 2024, but it will be through the remainder of his administration. even more significant, you'll get exceptional and illegal the ethics pledge of a lifetime ban under anything that would require registration under the foreign agents registration act. for anyone that is going to go into service in the trump administration, you're going to be, you have a lifetime ban acting as a foreign agent. not in a number of years, the rest of your lif

. >> leland: we saw this shift between the bush administration and the obama administration. the obama administration shifted toward homeland security. it will have a security everywhere. now it's shifted back toward taking the fight to the terrorists on their home turf. >> isis said they are going to create a caliphate. what's happening now as they are becoming much more orchestrated. they're saying let's continue admission, but let's do it outside of the area of the caliphate itself. >> leland: that was a big part of president trump's message. creating that center. a little bit more on that coming up. >> julie: meantime, president trump wrapping up his visit to israel and now heading to rome, his final speech emphasizing america's unbreakable bond with israel and condemning the attack on manchester. parents, unable to find their children in the aftermath, fearing for the worst. >> i don't know where she is. i don't know if she's alive even yet. ready or not, here i come. ♪ anyone can dream. making it a reality is the hard part. northrop grumman command and control systems always let you see the com

did he make a similar demand with the trump administration -- i mean, the obama administration and did the obama administration or not? >> well, the obama administration had a policy of any time it issued such a waiver, it automatically made it public. it was posted on a website. first of all, the obama administration for the most part did not hire people who had been lobbyists in the prior two years to work in the same area they were going to do now government work. if they did that, any time there was a waiver issued, it was public and posted on the internet. what the office of government ethics has said okay, fine, if you want to hire lobbyists in the same area they were working in, you need to disclose the waiver and so far the trump administration is saying -- to the office of government ethics, back down, stop asking us for those waivers. >> under the existing law, is the white house complying with the law or not? i realize everyone wants transparency and i understand what the obama administration was. is the white house violating any law? >> no. in this case, this is an executive order by the presiden i

obama administration. were reasons for obama administration making those rules and why the change? sure.: the end of 2014, there was combatl halt to american operation and what obama wanted war, he surged security situation and proved to the idea tent and so was, we're hand thanksgiving over to the afhgans and mericans will stay to support you to help train your troops, help get your air force up and doing combat t anymore. that happened at the end of 2014. two happened in the intervening years, 2-1/2 intervening years, because of deterioration in the security situation, there were a few low es that occurred that profile changes occurred to allow americans to do some because afhgangs forces needed it, we're looking t over 15 years into this conflict, the afhgan sources require significant outside help. get more calls in just a second. if you are afghanistan vet 202-748-8003. emocrats, republicans and independents, as usual. usy week for missy ryan at the "washington post." i want you to chat about the armed kurds overruling turks, walk us through this story. yesterday the trump administration announced president trump approved a a plan to approved directly arm kur

but diplomats and many officials from the previous administration, the obama administration, the obama administrationndon any sense of leadership on this, leaving it to others, notably china, to make the running. this, leaving it to others, notably china, to make the runningm this, leaving it to others, notably china, to make the running. it will be interesting to see what those caveats are be interesting to see what those caveats a re if be interesting to see what those caveats are if they come. as he's said in his tweet, make america great again. he's not said that before! you're watching bbc news. theresa may has been campaigning in the easter bingo and, to our chief political correspondent vicki young in bath. —— the east of england. a change of tone, because she said if i lose my six seats i lose my majority and then you getjeremy corbyn. is she genuinely frightened by this change of apparent sense out there?|j genuinely frightened by this change of apparent sense out there? i think they are concerned about complacency. if you remember back to when she called this general election campaign the p

obama administration for michael flynn. president trump tweeted, michael flynn was given highest clearance but the obama administration but fake news didn't like talking about that. sean spicer said in 2016 it was the obamaistration that renewed his security clearances. >> the trust they had in obama administration in hindsight is staggering. >> they didn't do any additional vetting. >> no, that's the thing. vetting for security clearance is not the same as vetting for the nse. it's just not. it is a bigger position. extremely important position. maybe the most important position going into this white house. and it sounds like based on what jim acosta was reporting that they didn't vet him at all. it was sort of like, this guy is on my team so that's his job. >> and james clapper, who obviously the trump administration they viewed him through a partisan lens even though he was a -- a life-long intelligence professional, he did most recently work for the obama administration. he said in the hearing today that that is not how it works. you don't just, you know, kind of accept the clearance of former administration. you have to do former vetting when you have somebody at a high level like this. >> i think h

administration. they said, you know, he had just been cleared by the obama administration, and they we nt the obama administration went without. it is never their fault. it is always somebody else's fault. it is always somebody else's fault. it is always somebody else's fault. i find that a bit disconcerting. that was in reaction to president obama revealing that he actually warned president trump, just two days after he was elected as president of the united states. exactly. and during this testimonial, the republican senators ke pt testimonial, the republican senators kept on hammering on about this, and you know, if you are a leader, sometimes you just have to say, i got this wrong. you have to own up to your mistakes. yes, there is a blame game. a good leader does not play the blame game. he confesses to his, you know... erring is human. does president putin and confessed to his mistakes? —— ever confess. let's look at this angle with emmanuel macron. putin says two wrong, let and the mistrust. he doesn't need to face up. —— fess up. he does not face the same democratic scrutiny as in the us. it is a bit rich

obama's policies. so the idea that president obama, you know, didn't like the guy doesn't seem shocking. but the point that you have to ask yourself is if you -- if the obama administration or under the obama administration, if they reissued one of the highest security clearances that you can get, knowing what they knew then and then didn't do anything to take a proactive step to suspend it in any way, shape, or form, the question you have to ask yourself, if they were concerned, why didn't they take any steps? they're the ones who had at that point all the access and all the knowledge to everything that on his security clearance. not us. so if president obama or anyone else frankly in the government was concerned, the question should be asked what did they do and if nothing, then why not if they really truly were concerned? i thang ink that is a fair ques. dave. dave. dave. >> sean, over the weekend north korea detained the fourth u.s. citizen. are you concerned that they're trying to escalate tensions even further? do you consider these americans hostages? what are you doing diplomatically to try to get them release sd? >> obviously this is concerning. we're well aware of it and we're going to work thr

obama administration, the obama administration ran it by flynn as a courtesy because it was the waning days of their administration, and that he rejected it because he might have wanted to do his own review. but because of his funding stream, because of his not registering after a foreign national for the turkish are state, it's called into question. and what obama former officials say that that decision delayed the eventual assault on raqqah. all that being said, a couple week bs al go the trump administration did decide to directly arm the kurds and the kurds will play a role in the dl will i be rafliberation of raqq. >> and there is new reporting that there are renewed strengths in syria. >> and there is a reminder of just how comp colicated the battlefield is. the main fight in syria is the u.s. going against isis. but you also have the assad regime which is closely linked with russian forces. a militia that has alignment to the as ssad regime was getting o close to american special operators. american forces warned them, they didn't heed the warnings, so these american special forces because the u.s. military thought danger, they struck the militia allied with the assad regime. again, not direct forces. and we don't know the number of casualties. no americans were injured. but these are special operations forces in a very comp licated neigh

obama administration. the obama administration was saying we're putting limits on our generals. stephanie? >> i have to ask my panel about this. president trump has said before, in certain matters i'm going to leave it to the general how big a deal would it be to leave it to the pentagon and does this essentially say pentagon is setting more policy? >> he said i know more than the generals. i've been in the middle of the conversation between the white house and pentagon and you need both. you need the secretary of defense, you need the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, you need the combatant and field commander on one side and the national security adviser and national security council and ultimately the commander in chief, the president himself, to make these decisions. they have to be done within the national security council. they have to have a functioning interagency discussion with the state department, the intelligence community, bringing all players to the table and hammer it out. if the commander came forward with a request with 3,000 or 3500 or 4,000 troops if auto i were the national security adviser i would ask what for, what are your missions, where will the troops be deployed and once the president is satisfied let the secretary of defense deploy the forces. >> we have to take a break. next we will turn to health care. a big debate. we will talk about those 13 senators meeting today to decide the fate of republicans' plan to repeal and replace obamacare. look at that shot right there. wow. 13 dudes. and a republican congressman gets up and walks out of a tv interview a minute after it began. what made him so angry. before we go, jimmy fallon, not jimmy kimmel, celebrated france's election of emmanuel macron and couldn't help but draw a comparison to our president. >> yesterday france elected 39-year-old emmanuel macron to be its few president. that's right. 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what they call gangs around some of the big issues. we saw the gang of eight around immigration, for example. the one difference, the gangs are bipartisan. this is all republicans and what's more all men as you can see here. republican leadership has been in no small -- under no small amount of criticism for doing that. i'm told this group has actually been meeting informally for some time even before the house vote. it notably misses two prominent senators here, moderate senators on the issue of health care, susan collins of maine and bill cassidy of louisiana who have been working on their own for a separate bill, been left out of this. it is aide range when you consider the demographics of it. rob portman against what the house bill is going to do about medicaid, cutting benefits dramatically and funding to opportunity of $880 billion. and mike lee, the conservative from utah, who says it's simply too -- it doesn't get -- do away with obamacare altogether root and branch like he wants to do. >> michael, we've been talking for days about some of these testy town halls, gop members who voted for the bill have faced when they've gone home. talk me through this iowa congressman who walked out in the middle of an interview at his town hall. >> this is kind of interesting. the station is kcrg, they're in cedar rapids and debuke. the congressman from the first district of iowa is named rod plum. kcrg has been asking for an interview for some time. the congressman finally agreed to do it under one stipulation he be surrounded by children in the interview. the interview started and immediately it didn't go well. the reporter asked why the congressman was iding people at his town hall to ensure only those people from his district could attend. the congressman said because those are the people that i represent. then the reporter said, well will you take donations from outside the first district? campaign donations? this is how the congressman reacted. >> i don't represent all iowans. i represent the first district of iowa. >> would you still take donations from a republican in wa city. >> i'm done. this is just a little -- >> we haven't even -- we just started. >> this is ridiculous. this is ridiculous. >> we -- >> you're going to sit here and just badger me. >> we asked why you wanted to do the interview. that was it. congressman, come on. take a seat. congressman, i insist. >> well there you have it. >> that was awkward. i wonder what the children were thinking that. the station kgrg reminding everyone the congressman has three town halls in his district this week. >> i have to bring my panel in. health care is life or death. optics for a moment, first of all that the fact that congressman was insisting that he wanted to be surrounded by children, let's talk about that. and number two, when you look at that 13 person working group with the exception of ted cruz who is latino, it is 100% white over the age of 50 male working group. how on earth can the gop, if their goal is let's just get this through at all costs maybe that group works. but if the goal is to represent this country, how do they even say yep, that's what it looks like? >> on the second question, the gop has to pull from the talent poll, only five female senators, one is joanie earnest and deb fischer but the other three are maybe no votes caputo from west virginia and alaska and collins. i guess they were too dicey to include in the working group. on the kids issue i wonder if those were the same kids lebron james rented for the decision. does seem the grammar school shield doesn't work. as far as optics you know this, it's going to work, but on tv you're strapped up to things and that awkward moment. >> you can't run. >> you can't turn. it looks awful. and it was too quick. >> it draws significantly more attention than anything else, which i actually -- >> the kid in the skeleton suit did not know what was going on. >> there are members of the working group under the age of 50 but there are not any -- >> ted cruz. >> bill, i want to ask you this. as we look at this bill we have been told by people who voted for it, listen, insurance companies are strangled. they cannotossibly offer insurance under obamacare. it doesn't work. we nee to make things more competitive. if you look at the highest paid ceos among s&p 500 companies, a large portion of those companies are in health care and pharma. look at ceo compensation in 2015. aetna insurance, that just dropped out of the state of virginia because it didn't make money, their ceo is paid $17.26 million in 2015. sigma, $17.31 million, mylan labs, the ep py pen, $18 million, regeneron, $47 million. how does the argument work that these insurance companies cannot be competitive in the current environment when their ceos are raking in money like this and the people attending many of those town halls, it's truly life or death for them. >> you know, stephanie, this is america at its worst, trying to take health care away from 24 million americans while at the same time, paying ceos at these extraordinary levels. you know how this game works on ceo pay. they get their consultant, why are those three health care companies all around the same $18 million mark. because they've all done their stats and they've pulled it together, the consultants said you're as good as this guy and that guy and therefore they're getting $18 million. >> we don't want to discount ceo but we're willing to offer discount health care. >> thank you very much. and we don't want to discount, you know, banker pay, we don't want to discount hedge fund pay. i don't want to get into a bill ayman discussion where he loses $4 billion investing in a health care company and still is a billionaire. our society has problems. this is one of the major ones and frankly, repulsive when they have these kinds of meetings with these senators who do not represent our country from an ethnic diversity point of view and try to make law out of it. i think it's horrendous. >> 24 million people pair that against $47 million payday. that's a picture. okay. we're taking a break. next, turmoil in the terminal. a melee breaks out at a florida airport. that's how it goes down in fort lauderdale after spirit airline cancels several flights. much more on the violence and why passengers today at this moment are so on edge. outrage toward the airlines is not just limited to the airport. allen joyce, a ceo of qantas, he was speaking at a business breakfast in australia when a man walks up to him and pies him. shoves a pie in his face. the pie man, of course, was arrested. but it is still not clear why he did it. i mean, that's embarrassing. more people than ever are making the move to nissan. ♪ because of rogue, the best selling suv in america. ♪ titan, with america's best truck warranty. ♪ and the most advanced safety features on altima and other best selling models. ♪ that's why we're america's fastest-growing 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and that meant hundreds of people were stranded and that's when tempers got heated. we started seeing exchanges between passengers and the airline staff and between passengers themselves. then eventually police got involved and they got into the middle of the altercation. all of this because a spirit airlines pilots have essentially been engaged in a work stoppage and as a result, according to the airline, they were unable to fly those planes yesterday. here's the bad news, today, 28 more flights have been canceled at least as of this moment, because of spirit airlines dealing with this pilot union slowdown, so this could continue today. not necessarily the fights but an expression of the frustration boiling over at fort lauderdale international airport. >> thank you for correcting me. i may have said fort lauderdale. it was hollywood. seth, you've been following the airline industry for some time. what is your reaction to this video? >> oh, it's awful. in the context of everything else we've seen recently. and look, when something like this happens at spirpts, ta is a little bit worse than other airlines because of the way spirit is set up, it can't kind of automatically put passengers on other airlines. when your flight on american is canceled, it can put you on a united flight rather easily. spirit can't do that, you know, so we had over the course of a few days, more than 100 cancellations as tom mentioned, 28 so far today, the airline by the way, actually sued its pilot union yesterday saying this is illegal. you know, this -- you can either strike according to a very lengthy procedure they can't do yet, or you can't do this. that 28 flights by the way has been holding now for a couple hours. so let's see if that, although a very high number for an airline spirit size, more, in fact, cancellations for spirit than any other airline in the world today, that would be a lot less. if it holds than what we've seen in recent days, you know, pilots for their part say hey, we've been negotiating for a year and a half, this airline doesn't want to give us the raises we're due. >> in terms of you get what you pay for, no one pays for or should expect a fight or a riot, but spirit airlines shoul they be expected high customer service, the ability to redirect passengers on to different flights? it's a really cheap airline for a reason. ryan air is massively successful in europe because those customers know what they're getting. can a spirit airlines passenger expect to get the kind of customer service treatment a united airline passenger can? >> everybody wants safe, reliable travel. yeah. people understand when they fly spirit they're not going to get some of the other amenities. but the airline actually over the past year or two, has been trying to restore its reputation. it's been trying to say hey, it's not going to be fancy, but you are going to get to where you are going reliably. ryanair, which spirit very much follows that template had been doing that for a few years and has actually managed to become more profitable while taking better care of its customers. its ceo flamboyant irishman says hey, if i knew that taking care of customers so well would be so profitable i would have done it years ago. spirit now, just as it sort of followed ryanair's path in the beginning, stripping everything out of the product, is trying to do the same thing. and this is not going to help in that regard. >> ryanair ceo certainly a character and again, spirit airlines, no one should ever expect to show up at the airport and face a fight. all right. gentlemen, thank you for breaking it down for us. before we go, moments ago the markets opened five minutes ago and as you can see, slightly up on the day, 21 as we get our morning started. we're going to take a break. next, jimmy kimmel's highly anticipated return to late night a week after his emotional monologue about his newborn son billy that became a rallying cry for opponents of the 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applying a new test to health legislation. >> we got to fulfill president trump's contract, lowering premiums with coverage that passed the jimmy kimmel test. if we do that we get an american plan, not democrat or republican, an american plan, and that's where we need to be. >> there you have it. i have jeff jarvis with me, professor at cuny graduate school of journalism and mike pes kashgs bill cohen, jeff, i want to start with you, we saw republicans say we will apply the jimmy kimmel test. do you believe jimmy kimmel had a tangible -- well, we know health care went through. but do you think he's had a tangible impact? >> the night he gave his first speech on the show about his son i tweeted, the record for all history then, that he will save health care. i think this is a moment when, you know, maybe a little late to it, not quite there yet, but i think that is a moment in history when we bring back empathy into politics and also, note the power of comedy in this country now. the comedy does journalism's job, politics and activism job, calls b.s. what others don't. that's what jimmy kimmel did is make it personal and human and i hope, i pray, that he's going to save health care. >> i want to share a bit more of jimmy kimmel pushing back on his critics. until now, when we have seen celebrities, movie stars get political in the age of trump, a lebrity politician, it's worked against them to a extent. take a listen. >> when i was a kid, we had like -- we had to drink the powdered milk because we couldn't afford the liquid. our orange juice came frozen out of a can. my father on the rare occasion we took a family trip would hide the dog in the back of the car and then smuggle it into our motel room to avoid paying $29 pet fee. so, i have to say, my dream was to become an out-of-touch hollywood elitist and i guess it came true. >> all right. so adding comedy to this, is that why it's good work here? >> he's not a movie actor without a script. he comments on life. i mean, we go back to johnny carson some of his impact but jimmy kimmel is using it more aggressively and we need that today. the whole range of comedians i think made a big difference. >> what's your take? >> i think james at put it well, what kimmel did was experience politics as someone who's not mired in politics, experiences it. he's the most relatable guy. colbert has carved out his anti-trump stance which i love and fallon is not trying to do that. kimmel when he comes on has an impact. we can't really run an experiment to see if you're right. we can't -- we don't have the test case. the first version of health care the bill got 17% approval. if it dies it might have died absent kimmel. the other thing i would say is, there's a big body of evidence that the best thing satire does is provides everyone with an escape valve and that's valuable. i don't know how often it changes the policies of the rulers. i've read accounts of satire in nazi germany and it went on and sometimes people would be punished but the specific kind of sat tyre that works is not when you talk about a person or trump's coloration or the size of his hands but talk about the direct failure of his policies. that satire works. it slijs we have the broad array -- seems like we have a broad array offing may fun of everything that's going on -- of make fun of everything that goes on with trump -- >> i think the difference is this, jon stewart and stephen colbert politicize my children who are 25 and 20 and i think they -- >> jeff jarvis' kids were going to be neocons. >> geeks and other things. they weren't as into politics. hearing your fatr blabber on doesn't do a darn thing. comedy doesn't do much, fathers do nothing. they have the impact of mobilizing a generation and changing where the generation goes. it also ties into twitter. the other thing that's happened is, the i am a preexisting conditi conditi conditionhashtag i was saying i have prostate cancer and thyroid cancer and other things you don't want to know, other will be affected and hurt. his kid has a preexisting condition for the rest of his life. >> i'm a jeff jarvis fan and follow him on twitter. >> i do too. >> too much. >> but the reality, i just don't the republicans and i don't feel that they care about covering americans who need, you know, like jimmy kimmel's child. i think they wanted a win, they passed this cynical piece of legislation, they celebrated it in the white house rose garden. now you've got this -- >> could that be why president trump has somewhat made it clear that he's going to have now this hands off approach now that it's sitting in senate? because he feels like he got his win, he needed to get it through, now for the hard part he's going to leave that to mitch? >> he didn't get a win. he got something he could claim to be a win. it is so far from being a win and so disgusting what he does, by having a ceremony in the white house, in the rose garden, make it slijs he has a win, he does not have a win, he's claiming it as a win. >> bill cohen, jeff jarvis doesn't get to win the preexisting condition battle because you're on my show and i, too, have a preexisting condition, i'm a woman. all right. when we come -- jeff, thank you. when we come back jared kushner under the microscope after his sister's pitch, are you listening, to a group of rich chinese investors. now three leading senators are asking for more information on any financial interests, any trump official has into a controversial visa program. that blind trust of jared's, it's his brother-in-law running it. before you go, we know who jimmy carter wanted to win last year's election. he revealed how he voted in the democratic party -- primary last night. >> we have got to get people involved and you do that by being honest about the real problems they face and come up with real solutions. >> did you all see why i voted for him? >>> it's time for the "your business" entrepreneurs of the week. breaking up 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nothing to do with him per se. he wasn't involved. >> serenity now. it's time for money, power, politics. that was how white house press secretary sean spicer pushed back on any allegation that jared kushner was involved in his sister's pitch over the weekend to chinese business people. that pitch revolved around the controversial eb-5 visa granting rich foreigners a visa if they invest at least half a million bucks in the united states. three democratic senators are calling on the white house to release information on any financial interest that the trump administration has in the program. i want to bring in jessie drucker, a reporter for the "new york times" who has a piece out titled "kushner family stands to gain from visa rules in trump's first major law." the panel is still here. jesse, give us an update on this. >> over the weekend jared kushner's sister led a marketing pitch in china, first in beijing and then shanghai on saturday afternoon, where she touted her strong family connections as a way to entice chinese investors to invest half a million dollars in a project in a pair of luxury towers the company is building in jersey city. it's through a program that essentially, as you say, gives visas to pple who are willing to inves half million dollars in qualified projects. >> we have seen real estate developers use this before. but the kushner family, have they been working on a deal like this, enticing chinese investors before the trump administration existed? is this something they've always done? >> i don't know about always done. but there is a building that opened a few months ago called trump bay street, a trump-branded kushner luxury high-rise in jersey city that got $50 million in eb-5 visa funding. this is as far as i know their second attempt. they are trying to get $150 million for the program for the new towers in jersey city that they're looking to build. the issue is obviously that the conflict of interest laws prevent jared kushner from doing anything in his capacity as a white house official to directly benefit his family. the laws, however, do not preclude his family from essentially trying to trade in on his position as a white house adviser to benefit the kushner family business, a business in which mr. kushner is still invested through a series of trusts. i mean, one of the things here is that jared kushner is no longer running the business, but he is still a beneficiary of the business. >> and he has got that trust being run by his sister's husband, his sister, who conducted the presentation in china. his stake, as your article points out, is a $600 million stake. >> it's potentially much more than that. one level here is that jared kushner divested a small portion of his interest in the kushner company's business in part by selling it to a trust where his mother is the trustee but he retained the vast majority of it. jared kushner is essentially still invested in it a multi-billion dollar business that's doing in some cases a billion or $2 billion a year in deals involving loans from am so of the biggest banks in the u.s. and biggest banks overseas and probably most importantly involving partners both here in the u.s. and abroad whose names he won't disclose. that's probably the most troubling issue here is that we still have no idea who jared kushner's partners are. >> sean spicer said jared kushner will have nothing to do with specifically this eb-5 visa program. how is that that different from ivanka trump not being directly involved in her company requesting trademarks in china? jared kushner, in his portfolio of responsibilities in the white house has in there, relations with china. >> yeah. that's one of the other complications here is that, you know, the conflicts of interest laws which cover all federal officials are generally covering officials that have relatively defined areas of responsibility, right? so if you are the secretary of health and human services, well, then try to avoid having business interests in the health industry. the problem here is that jared kushner's portfolio is so broad, and really nebulous. we don't really know what he is responsible for. so to have that alongside the fact that he is still invested in -- it's not like he is invested in a few stocks in the stock market. he is invested in a sizable, very significant business, a business where, by the way -- some people have suggested he should divest the interests in put them into a blind trust. it's very difficult to see how you would do that successfully. typically what government officials do is they put their interests into a blind trust. the shares in verizon are sold. they buy shares in g.e. and they don't know it's going on. it's difficult to keep it a secret if his family is buying and selling properties. making deals with goldman sachs and deutsche bank. in some ways that's academic because he hasn't even done that. he is still a beneficiary of this business and very aware. >> 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obama administration banned. the obama administration said you couldn't lobbying your former agency for two years. now it is a five-year ban.not just on lobbying your agency. put on any lobbying activities involving your former employing agency. i think claudia went through some of the differences between what a lobbying conduct is mostly be a lobbying activity. in a lot of ways, the ban is much broader. there is a lobbying activities outside your agency related to certain senior officials in the executive branch trump administration. no one is at this point that this will be through 2020 march 20, 2024. but it will be for his administration. an even more significant, you'll get exceptional and illegal the ethics pledge of a lifetime ban under anything that would require registration under the foreign agents registration act. for anyone that is going to go into service in the trump administration, you're going to be, you have a lifetime ban acting as a foreign agent. not in a number of years, the rest of your life you may not act as a foreign agents. so again, what is critical is that you think about your future. if you're going to going to government you will have this restriction. one thing it does not do is extend the restriction on certain senior administration officials contacting the former agency before the one year. for those of you who have been in and out of government there is a one-year ban if you are a senior official on contacting your former agency. on behalf of any other person. and this is true even when people leave capitol hill. the executive order does not extend the requirement of that statute. so the one-year ban on contacting the former agency will still be there. there is also as part of this or what you would call a reverse revolving door. under the ethics commitment, executive order you have to sign in ethics pledge has two parts to it. you have a two-year ban on participating in any agency matter involving parties that are directly or substantially related to your former employer or to those coming from law firms in lobbying firms, your former clients. and there is a two-year ban on former registered lobbyists participating in any matter in which they were engaged in lobbying or to the appointment. but you are no longer banned from being appointed to agencies that you lobbied if you were a lobbyist. so that is important to note. the lobbyist gift ban implements a full political appointees under the obama administration has more or less been the same. so if you come into the government you cannot accept any gifts from a lobbyist. even if it falls under one of the exceptions. like the obama administration executive order, the trump administration executive order also eliminates of the receptions for some of the exceptions. for example there was an exception at the attended gatherings like this for example. if you are speaking at a widely attended gathering you can accept a meal but if not you may not. so the secretary of commerce comes to speak at some of the best time he can eat the meal but the 22-year-old aid that comes with and that is a political appointee and is not speaking cannot accept a meal. it is important for your article going into government you know that depending on your role at various events you may be attending there may be different ethics rules that apply to you. yet the very conscious of this. the last thing anyone wants is to be accused of violating ethics. final

obama's policies so the idea that president obama didn't like the guy, doesn't seem shocking. the point you have to ask yourself, if you -- if the obama administration are or under the obama administration if the reissued one of the highest security clearances you can get, knowinger what they knew then, and then didn't do anything to take a pro-active step to suspended any way, shape or form, the question you have to askoffs if they were concerned, why didn't they take any steps? they're the ones who had at that point all the access and all the knowledge to everything on the security clearance, not us. so if president obama or anyone else frankly in the government was concerned, the question should be asked, what did they do and if nothing, then why not if they truly were concerned. think that is a fair question. dave. >> [overlapping speakers] >> over the week -- >> over the weekend, north korea detained the fourth u.s. citizen. are you concerned that they're trying to escalate tensions even further? do you consider these americans hostages and what are you doing diplomatically, back channel or otherwise, to next released. >> obviously this is concerning. we're well aware of it. and we

obama administration. >> the obama administration's first four years as a whole. i wasn't there for all four but absolutely, a key focus. i think ezra is exactly right. what the house ledge-- what the score shows is how hard it is, it is easy to kind of talk at a bumper sticker level. when you get into the details in health care, there are all sorts of unexpected surprises. one of them was just you think you are creating a high risk pool for unhealthy people. but what you are actually doing is creating an incentive for the healthy people to go into that pool and then destabilizing the rest of what you are trying to do which is exactly what cbo said in this case. lots of unintended consequences, lots of complexity. this is not an easy topic and i think that is exactly what the house legislation has now definitively demonstrated. what?e: and the senate will >> well, the problem for the senate is the same basic constraints are going to be upheld. there is no magic here. if you start with the thought that it is not just that preexisting conditions are covered, but that premiums should not be dramically higher if you are sick than if you are healthy. if you start with that principal, then you have to avoid people gaming, waiting until they get sick and then buying in at these commute rated premiums, so you need some kind of incentive or mandate or what have you. as soon as you do that you sneed subsidies for low and moderate income people or they couldn't afford the coverage otherwise. there is no magic here. and i think that is the box that frankly both the house and republicans find themselves in. they know they don't like obamacare but fundamentally, obamacare reflects those basic preaccepts which is the only place they can go. they effectively have no scwenlt place to go and so you wind up with either a somewhat incoherent plan like the house approach or what i suspect will konl out of the senate is a much later touch like senator cassidy and colins have proposed. lighter touch at the federal level and devolved much more responsibility to the states. >> rose: was the problem with o bamentacare, and this is both of you, it got a lot of things right but it got several important things wrong, including the launch of it, because of what happened. >> everyone agrees on that. >> and that there were certain essential elements, it basically said, you know, if you like your insurance you can always keep your insurance. certain kinds of buzzwords lake that, that simply weren't true. >> look, there were a variety of. >> premiums did rise. >> here is the thing that is interesting and the congressional budget office which i used to run has taken a lot of heat for supposedly getting obamacare wrong and therefore it is supposedly discredit. they got it basically right. premiums in 2017 are within 1 percent of what cbo initially estimated when the affordable care act was tasked. coverage, people say oh, you know, the congressional budget office just blue it in terms of how many people would be on the exchanges. that's right. cbo overestimated you had many people would wind up on the exchanges. but that's in large part because there were fewer employers who dropped coverage. it was expected that people, the firms would drop coverage, those people would go on to the exchanges. what matters is the net number of people without insurance. cbo in 2012 after the supreme court ruling that said the medicaid expansion would be up to the states rather than a requirement, said there would be 30 million people uninsuranced in 2016. the actual number was 27. it is pretty good. >> i am going to say what i think obamacare did get wrong. because i think it also helps illuminate where we are. among other things obamacare's subsidies were too small. there are more radical reform thases i would have preferred to the affordable care act but within the structure, you needed a higher willful of subsidies to just make insurance affordable, to make premium as fordable and make sure people could have insurance with deductibles that made that insurance usable to them. that is not a hard thing to fix. you can just add more money to the system. and the system is not as peter said t does not come in over cost. if you are worried as republicans said they are, as disem krats say they are about deductible being too hoo, you can move in money, if you look at the american health care act, the republican alternative you can get very into the weeds on this, but what it basically does is very simple. it takes 600 billion dollars of money, that currently goes to subsidized insurance for poor people, and it moves it to give tax cuts to rich people. that isn't a loaded version of it, it isn't an arguably version. that is a literal statement of what it does. and there isn't as peter says magic to this. if you take money out, health care is expensive, health insurance in this country is expensive. making it cheaper is hard. there are ways to do it but it is hard, it takes time. if you want to make it more affordable to people you have to give them the money to buy a good insurance. if you take that money away from them, there isn't some fancy foot work you can do. what the republican plan is doing is taking $600 billion away, and then trying to figure out some way to keep people covered. and you can't, you can't not square thattish sell there are tradeoffs in life. if you want to give that money as tax cuts, people will lose their health insurance in very, very large numbers. and that is where this bill is going. the thing to me that is a great betrayal of this is donald trump ran for president saying he was a different kind of republican. he said everybody would be covered. he said the insurance would be better. he said the dedublght -b8s would be lower, preexisting conditions would be plo tected and on every single one of these he in endorsing this bill is breaking his promise. again not an arguable breaking the promise, you can look at it one way or another, just breaking the promise. not going to cover everybody, deductibles will go up. there is something, there is a real betrayal of the people who thought they were voting for an economic populist here. and the more this sort of gets shatd owed up and obscured, i think it is bad. it is important that people are clear about what is happening. >> rose: yet at the same time the polls show, the polls show that up to this time, this people who supported him and who will be damaged by this, will lose insurance and lots of other things, are still supporting him, at the same level. >> yeah. >> rose: it may change over months and months when the impact of things truly is felt. but so far, am i right or wrong. >> more or less right, at about 30% right now which isn't great. but i do wonder and peter would probably have more to say. >> rose: 38%. >> he is reasonably high with them but lost some support from them too. he is beginning to lose support from his core supportedders. something interesting you see in these special elections democrats are in, in montana and georgia, they are not talking about russia, they are talking about health care. that is what they are finding is polling high. >> rose: if they can find it in their own budget, russia they can't find a place. >> it is hitting the republicans hard. >> but don't forget, this is a proposal. it doesn't become reality f this were to become reality, and you are talking about for a 64 year old with 27,000 dollars in income, a 12,000 dollar increase on average in their net premium, the political reaction would be dramically different. it's one thing when it is a piece of paper and a cbo thing. >> rose: three people at a table talking about it. it is a different thing if it is happening to you or you live in a high cost state, in alaska where the premium also skyrocket. the reality of that is different than the before the fact kind of. >> could we have a political revolution. >> i don't think this will become law, i don't think we will be able. >> if it dunts become law at the same time will there be political repercussions because as ben said the republican party promised that there would be a replacement of obamacare. >> that's right. i think that brings you back to this point which is, you know, as someone once put it, obamacare sort of is the republican plan it involves private insurance companies and exchanges and tax credits and all of that. yes, they have been saying repeal and replace the whl time. but again they have no place really to go substantively to back that up, in part because this plan sort of is their plan. they just don't want to admit it. >> is there a place where they have perfected health insurance? >> could you almost not do it worse than we do it. i will start there. >> go ahead. >> there are a lot of interesting models out there. and different people like different ones. so i think the model most people think is the highest performing is france where you get a basic level of insurance and then the state gives some people supplementary insurance and other people buy it themselves. conservatives like singapore a lot and singapore is kind of interesting. they have a supercharge of individual mandate where they force you to save a large percentage of your paycheck to cover health bills and then they have a sort of universal catastrophic plan, not quite universe but most people buy into it. the thing that every one of these countries has in common, every single one is that in one way or another, in one way or another they set prices starl will centrally. every single country, just in a developed country exsuspect for the united states. >> they set prices. >> the government says here is how much. >> here is how much an mri is going to cost. here is how much xanax is going to cost. no matter how they do t and that is the key thing that makes all of them cheaper. and when it is cheaper then you have a lot more room how you design insurance. >> rose: we just had ben in this, taping at this table saying what the republicans were horrified by is the idea of government setting the prices. >> right. and first of all, ezra is absolutely right. the reason that u.s. healthcare costs more than other countries, it's not as is often repeated that we do more here. it's that what we do, the prices are much higher. and so if we take for granted that we're not going to intervene directly in some big way just to set the prices because we have a different history and what have you, there is still so much we can do to try to get more efficiency out of health care that we're not doing. and ultimately if you want to focus on driving premiums to reasonable levels, you've got to focus not on mixing up who is in the pool and who is not and the subsidies, you have to focus on the underlying cost of care. and we could do a lot more both on the price of it and also-- . >> rose: the efficiency. >> the efficiency of it, absolutely. by the way, we have been making some progress. the untold story of obama care is that you know when i was in office, it was widely said obama care fixes coverage but don't do anything on cost. the fact is we did everything we probably could think-- possibly think of. >> except regulate prices. >> except regulate prices. and the reality has turned out much better than i could have possibly hoped for. so for example medicare costs, no one talks about this, but medicare costs continue to grow much less rapidly than they have in the past, this year only up about three percent in nominal terms. and the result of that have been a much better, still not great but a much better debt tra jectry for the whole country. there is a whole agenda there that this debate misses and that for most americans is far more important. there are ten times as many americans with coverage through their employer than on the exchanges. and for them what will matter is whether we are a attacking that problem. >> the only thing i was going to say here, responding, that what republicans

administration. 4:49 right now. it's looking to cut back on some of the obama administration's healthy food initiatives. the obama administration regulated stricter nutritional values for school meals including more fruits and veggies. some schools reported the rules were costly and kids were throwing away the food. the trump administration announced it was rolling back the regulations. secretary of agriculture said schools will have more flexibility. >> meals can't be nutritious if they aren't consumed, if they're put in the trash. >> the big losers are the children who will have less healthful meals. >> the new guidelines are going into effect this fall. >> more than half of the levees that protect california cities from a major flood are at risk of failing. we investigate what that could mean for us in the bay area. >>> but first, happening now, isis militants stage a surprise attack in northeastern syria. killing at least 21 people. many of them were civilians who were trying to flee the fighting. the islamic state is under attack by coalition forces, of course, in syria and iraq. and a surfer who had been missing for more

we're so frustrated with obama blaming president bush for things, you're seeing the same thing now, what about the obama administration? we don't care about the obama administrationration. liz: i think every president but eisenhower blamed the president. >> i would like to see aggressive media backed in the obama days. a team media during press briefings or -- liz: let's talk about that, that would be a problematic thing. >> huge problem. liz: president trump met with network anchors today. is he trying to forge better relationships with the media? is that going to work? >> one network said obama administration was the most transparent. liz: tough or the press, the obama administration. >> so far i haven't been impressed with them, but i do think more transparency could benefit trump at this point. liz: what do you think? >> totally agreement i think there are a lot of reporters, certainly ones on the beat for a long time used to having sources within the white house they can talk to and know there's a trusting relationship there and they're not going to get fed untruths as it were and i think it would be very open to having good relationships with folks like sea

administration was spying on americans and we know that. we have communications about the fisa court hand slapping the nsa. that was during the final years the obama administration. we know the obama administration reached out to the transition team to bawrn them about nuke flynn because they were spying on him. >> they were worried about his him because he knew too much. >> we have yet to see who the operators are and what the motivations are for this series of leaks. it doesn't known jared ushe curb first innocent. >> lbj one famously said there are two things you never want to be seen made, litigation and sausage. if you take snapshots it doesn't always make sense. a criminal investigation is a puzzle. until puzzle is put together and presented to the grand jury, we'll not be able to know what's in there and we wobe able to figure it out. great familiar coming. >> we are going to have more on the russia if fiasco. first, hoik now on the impeachment train. clinton gave they are prediction as to how the trump presidency might end. >> we were serious in the past presidential election of a man whose presidency would eventually end in disgrace for his impeachment for obstruction of justice. kenned

obama administration because the obama administration was tough on national security leakers. look, leaks are bad when they jeopardize the sources and methods of gathering intelligence because oftentimes that endangers people who are in the field. and i'm sure that's what -- or impedes an investigation. and that's what the british are concerned about. and this has been a concern forever, national security leaks that become more of a concern under this administration, in part because of the president's overt blunders and also because i heard from friends in europe, who are ex-government officials from the beginning that this whole russia cloud gives them some pause as to how much to share because they know it all goes to the president and the people around him. so this is a thing that has to be cleared up or what's going to happen is our allies will not fully share intelligence with us and that jeopardizes safety. that jeopardizes our ability to react to threats. >> that would be a real problem if the u.k. and israel stopped sharing intel with the u.s. but today they're both angry with what's happening. so thank you very much. great to talk to you. >> we're also getting new details about the terrorist who attacked the manchester arena and the bomb that he used. authorities are carrying out raids in connection with the attack. there could be more arrests. klarissa ward live in manches r manchester. the sophistication of the bomb itself is not matching up with the unsophisticated nature of the bomber. and that raises questions such as? >> reporter: it raises a lot of questions, chris, exactly. we presented these images that have been published by "the new york times" to an explosives expert and they said there is just no way. the bomb quite clearly above a rudimentary level, whereas that doesn't seem to match with the 22-year-old studying business and management. where would he get that know how from. we are learning more details about the investigation. we are learning now that the bomber himself, when he came back to the united kingdom from libya, he did not fly directly here. he transited through the german city. the police confirming that to cnn just now. possible that he would have transited through germany in order to throw authorities off the scent and obscure his country of origin. the net keeps widening. eight people now arrested. raids ongoing and the focus of these raids and arrests really to find out about the bomb maker. who made that bomb? who taught him how to make the bomb. no one wants to see anything like this happen again. >> thank you very much for that reporting. meanwhile, michael flynn facing multiple subpoenas. are lawmakers getting the answers they want in the russia investigation? a republican on the senate intel committee next. i guess i was born with a crayon in my hand. i decided to see if there was a way for design to play a... ...positive role in what was going on in the world. there's a jacket that's reflective for visibility... ...a sleeping bag jacket, jackets that turn into tents. i usually do my fashion sketches on the computer. i love drawing on the screen. there's no lag time at all. it feels just like my markers. with fashion, you can dress people and help people. it's really cool to see your work come to life. come close, come close. fun in art class. i like that. 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the obama administration -- under the obama administration, the office of civil rights took a stepped-up approach to enforcing civil rights protections. what that meant in practice was issuing guidance -- nonregulatory guidance essentially in the form of "dear colleague" letters, putting districts on notice that in the allocation of resources and discipline rates, that if it were shown that there were disproportionality between students of different racial or ethnic that grounds for gender, that this would sort of -- that the district would really be at .isk of being found at fault the key question or the thing to be looking for is if the trump administration resends -- thatds -- rescinds guidance. those who argue they should do that worry that in particular, the policies around discipline have caused districts to be overly cautious in how they handle student behavior problems , that this has unintended consequences for all students, areuding those who sort of high achievers, not involved in disciplinary issues. that is an ongoing debate. it is interesting that they have not taken the st

obama administration under the obama administration the office of civil rights took a stepped up approach to monitoring and enforcing civil rights protections. what that meant in brak tis, t putting together reours that if there were different that this would ort at risk. so the question question or the dee thing to be looking for is whether the trump administration recends that guidance. i worry that the policies around discipline have caused districts to be overly cautious. that's an ongoing debate. it's interesting they have not taken the step of doing that given that it is something they can do overnight. >> not only should reporters look at the letters in terms of guidance that ecr provides, we have already seen some recending. we even saw last week for choi ma'am they have the right to discriminate against ki sz based on exreel orientations. we have seen it there certain populations of rids are wetting ready. so it's really what actions are being taken. we have seen jeff sessions say it will be less committed to civil rights. it's never been good for imfa immigran immigrants. i mean most of the federal laws that the department of ed is here to enforce. we had states and localities it was unsurprising that certain populations of kids were more likely classified as having a behavioral disability. the school, the prison pipeline is really rooted in discriminatory practices. we saw sort states. it difrply didn't do much at all. they were in underperforming schools. not really the resending of letters. there is no private right of action. that means you need to feds and the ocr. the whole point is they forced the civil rights. if you have an administration and they put people in charge of departments they don't believe in chl in. if people don't believe in it they aren't going to enforce it. i will not menace words about that bauds i think facts are facts. there will be -- that nonlent pros cut tos. it will impact nar kids and communities. i would phone courage people to tell these stories. p you can talk about how they are hit by this. because that's my concern, that in many of these conversations we lose sight of the regular people who are struggling already, off saul backgrounds and their toris respect being heard. >> okay there are two microphones here. tell us who you write for so we can give good educated answers for you. [ inaudible question ] zblo >> thank you. it is a voucher program here in the district. roughly 11 kids or so are in the program today. the program did find after one year of being in the program that kids did worse. a couple of dugss. i is after one year. we have more if -- they are higher than the group. i would look at that 52% ended up finding their ways to private schools anyways. there was contamination in the control group. we also cell a sort of overall improving over time, which may capture some of the improvemen.: just a few caveats. we now have 11 gold standard random assignment evaluations of school choice programs, vouchers and tax credits that finds statistically significant improvements on academic achievement. as a result of participating in a school choice program. we know that because of the study design, three programs that we have find no effects, as you mentioned three negative effects. the one you just mentioned dcosp and then the other two -- they're relatively new. they're about a year old and both out of louisiana. we could do an entire panel on louisiana. >> actually i'll interrupt you to say tomorrow there's an awesome school choice panel. so this will be like the meat of it too. >> the last thing i'll say. many of us have argued those two evaluations that found negative impacts out of louisiana. lose runs a uniquely prescriptive regulatory environment. schools that accept a kid on a voucher have to take the state test, not just any old test, but the state test. we know a third of private schools participate. those third were experiencing some significant attrition before they entered the program, which suggests that maybe they were, you know, struggling schools prior to program entry, which could explain the negative effects that we found. so not to talk them away, but some caveats on the three negatives. >> did you have -- >> i'll be brief, a couple points on the d.c. evaluation. i am actually not worried about the fact that some of the control group kids ended up in private schools because the evaluation can take that into account. but most of the control group ended up in charter schools. and that actually is the comparison that's being made. another interesting thing is that they asked the schools how much time they spend on various subjects. lindsay mentioned there were negative effects on reading achievement. if you look at how much times the school spent on reading it was far higher in the control group in charter than private schools. and so the question then becomes what are the private schools using that other time for? is it to offer additional coverage of other subjects that go untested in the evaluation? so i think we need to be very cautious about rushing to conclusions based on evaluations of choice programs very early on after one year. and we need to look at the bigger picture. >> all right. trish, do you want to -- >> sorry. trisha crane from alabama media group. ia i have a question about special education. special education like it or not is a federal program. that's just the way it is. what do you say the role, you know, we've batted around more funding for special education, federal government has never stepped up and funded the full 40%. it's very expensive. i know in alabama they've looked at esas as a way to sort of avoid this idea that they have to provide special education. all of these school choice initiatives seem to avoid the issue of providing special education. what -- i'm interested in your take on special education as a federal sort of function. yeah. thanks. >> i think that's critical. i mean, i think -- again ida is a civil rights era laws designed to make sure all kids receive a public education. and, you know, even in the public charter school sector, there's been some struggle to make sure that that right is vindicated. but there's been a lot of progress where many public charter schools have done a very strong job. some have not. i was involved in a lawsuit for north public schools for ten years where i have a special monitor who had to monitor the way with in which the traditional school district was delivering special ed because there's a lot of issues there. again, you know, what we would say is that any school that has a public dollar has to serve all kids. period. public charter school, any other iteration of school, if you're going to receive a public dollar you have to serve all children. and part of the federal role in partnership with states and school district is to have accountability to make sure that's happening. there's a lot of levers to insure that happens. the worst lever is a lawsuit that means years after kids don't receive what they should receive people step in and intervene. every public school has to wrestle with. as folks talk about these new providers, that obligation has to be there. i think it's disappointing whether we talked about it earlier in the context of kids who may be lbgtq accessing a public education. some seem to believe a school that receive as public dollar can say we're not going to serve you. perhaps some may say the same thing. we don't have to serve you. we would strongly disagree with that. that would be contrary to what we think public education ought to mean. again, what we would say if you get a public dollar you got to serve every baby that comes through that door. obviously you can have a cap. any individual school can only serve so many kids. but what you can do is pick and choose based upon the identity or a special need who you're going to serve. that's where we would come from on that. >> one point on that, i actually -- the standard that he just articulated any school that receives public dollars should anticipate all kids. we hold school districts responsible but we don't say each individual campus needs to be prepared to serve every learner. sometimes districts make provision for the students' needs by sending them to a private school. so i think there are real questions about the ability of school choice programs that are not specifically designed for students with disabilities to serve those students well. they need to be designed would funding levels that make it feasible for them to find other alternatives. we need to be fair when we're setting up the standards we hold schools participating in choice programs whether they be private schools or charter schools, too. >> they can't deny admission in the -- >> that's right. >> the kid can come in, you go through the cst process -- >> you're making -- my apologies for my flight being late. you're making the distinction between the -- the underlying distinction here is an unregulated market that can do anything it wants to do, versus a public obligation. and so, yes, in terms of special ed, think about it, we never got enough money. yet there's still a public obligation and the buck stops with the school district, regardless. and trying to figure out how to do it even if it means taxing its inhabitants more. the so-called choice programs can do whatever they want, kind of like swimming, whichever way they want to swim. i think that long term, and janet and others were telling me what, you know, the discussion was here. long term, the question that is now posed by devos trump administration is, is public education a public good anymore? is it foundational to a democracy? or is it a commodity that can be bought and sold in an unregulated market. and long term, that is the debate that's going to happen in the next few years. that's the debate that jonah and i tried to address in our op-ed, but that's the debate that's going to happen and special ed is a perfect example. >> as you can imagine we spent a significant portion of this panel early on talking about school choice. and i did want to get your take on a couple things now that you're here. i'm going to steal the floor back if you guys don't mind for a sec. you recently toured a rural public school with secretary devos. i would love to hear whether you had any, you know, insightful take aways from that? you're now apparently -- >> i probably spent more time with her than any reporter in the room collectively. >> i think that's probably fair. >> if you add up every reporter here, i probably spent more time -- >> so we're dying to hear. but have you scheduled the tradeoff, you were going to then tour a school of choice with secretary devos? has that been scheduled? >> she asked me -- she actually asked me to go to the school she was doing in indiana. but i was already scheduled. i'm in school visits a lot. and i was scheduled in mcdowell county west virginia, so am not going to move a school visit i already had. >> in the future -- >> i gave her a couple more dates, we'll see -- >> to be determined. >> she's -- the ball is in her court. >> do you think that there -- what were you insights from that school visit with her? >> i would have liked for her to come to the school that i was at in mcdowell county, "the wall street journal" -- west virginia. the school visit was fantastic. meaning, it was fantastic because first off, people really tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. and i don't think she heard a thing that people were saying to her. and that was really -- at the end, she said she was completely inspired by what she had just seen. she kept on saying to people i want to work on this, i want to work on this and then nothing happened. in fact, what happened was the cuts to the budget of things that were really important. so i think people -- if you ask the people today what happened at the visit, they would have been incredibly disappointed that she took nothing from that visit in terms of informing her own itology. the stuff that you saw there, the project based instruction, the early childhood learning, the questions from a round table of parents and teachers of special needs kids, the amount of time, effort, and energy that this rural district had put into this visit and showing her, wanting to show her what worked and what didn't work in a place that was completely republican dominant. but i do think she just -- she didn't -- if you look at the actions since, it was clear that it had absolutely no bearing on her learning. >> do you have any other questions? we'll stay a couple minutes laets. the next panel doesn't start for a half an hour. putting that out there. anyone else have a question? i have lots of them, i can keep going. [ inaudible question ] >> is that demoralizing to schools, refreshing or something in between? >> i'm not familiar with that one -- >> so in the last two days, the school itself on monday or tuesday -- what is today? today is wednesday, right? so tuesday. people fought back and were livid. because the -- looking at what the problems are in public education and how to solve them is a legitimate exercise. but calling all of public education a dead end, or actually calling that school can, which as i understand it, we don't represent them has done a whole bunch of other things since that student was there. and not actually trying to figure out before she just branded it, you know, in a demoralizing way is not what the secretary of education should be doing. raising issues, what we're seeing now is that issues that should be legitimately raised are being used as a pretext to get rid of public education. and it goes back to the original piece i said, which is, is this the great equalizer? knowing full well we have problems that need to be solved. or are we like what the republicans did with healthcare, are we going to make this an unregulated market? so the kids who actually need the most will never get it. and that is the debate in front of america right now. betsy devos is idloloon the sid unregulated markets. >> the kids who aren't getting it now are assigned to schools where their parents live. i don't think anyone is saying abolish public education spending. the public dollars we're spending, instead of sending them to institutions, separate it. separate the financing of education from the delivery of services. allow those dollars to follow children to whatever option meets their unique learning needs and every kid -- >> if that -- so the two nations that have done that, chile and sweden, have found that to be a terrible exercise and kids have actually been very disserved. in sweden, they're trying to change that system now. because what has happened in sweden is that the scores have gone downhill. not to say that there are things that we have to do to change education. but what devos is doing with the federal dollars is it's not actually saying let's lift up some experiments and provide more funding for it. what she's doing is what she did in michigan. which is taking funding that is absolutely essential like -- i disagree with you is the funding for 21st century schools in mcdowell county, west virginia, has turned around the school that has 100% poverty. and if you went with me to that school you would change your mind about 21st century schools. the levels of kids' success in math, in english, is remarkable in a place that is devastated by poverty. >> can i just say one more thing. if we're talking about test scores, let's look how our u.s. education system, the public system performs internationally. we're in the middle of the pack. they were hovering where they were for decades. >> if you look at the last results, they will tell you and oecd will tell you if you actually started separating out socio economic issues in the places like massachusetts that have worked on this for several years without having the reform of the moment and actually really focuses on equity, they are at the top of the pack. >> all right. next question. >> thank you, hi, thanks for doing the panel. i'm with the the wall street journal. i'm curious what your thoughts would be on that interchange last week where the secretary was asked to say when she thought it was appropriate for the federal government to step in, if a school taking vouchers discriminated against a child for sexual orientation or religion or racial background. i thought that interchange was murky, she did say the office of civil rights entitlements still applies. what specifically would you say about the federal's role in preventing discrimination with a voucher school? >> so we do have civil rights g laws in place, right? beyond that, i think the great thing about school choice, right. schools can be clear up front about their priorities, beliefs, expectations, what they teach and parents have the option to choose those schools. i think we have to respect freedom. we have to respect freedom of belief, freedom of religion. that goes across the board. and that means the freedom for private religious organizations to operate according to their values and beliefs and that goes for private schools as well. federal civil rights laws in place, but, you know, i think beyond that we have to respect the freedom for schools of religious organizations to operate to their value and beliefs. >> could you be more specific. what about a racial discrimination in a voucher school? >> that's happened, federal civil rights law. >> some people, religious beliefs they believe black people were cursed by ham, it's true. so just as some read, they believe that gay and lesbian is -- cursed in the old testament and their problematic. if that's their religious practice maybe they can discriminate, too. i think sometimes some of these conversations get to extremes. there's a big middle ground, a strong bipartisan consensus between some of the things you talked about. you can have choice and accountability. that's really what the public charter framework is about. part of the reason that so many young people got left behind because the middle school already has a choice. in new jersey where i am from the middle class has moved out looking for better school systems for their kids. they exercised choice. what was left behind were low income, african-american and latinos by and large, who were in school systems that unfortunately for many decades were not operating at a high level. that does not mean you need to have unregulated markets where private actors can discriminate where they're not going to serve kids based on their sexual orientation. that's what president obama and some on the senate right as well, have aligned around for many decades. what i want to emphasize that's the space where i think one there's amazing results in terms of that working for kids. you have the accountability built in, equity built in, you have transparency built in. provide some amount of choice to poor people. i for one would oppose choice for poor people. as long as they can move out and go where they want to go, and pursue choice, we can't then go to the low income people say you're going to be trapped based on your zip code that we wouldn't allow our children to spend one day in. that's very different from what we now see from devos. right. what we see from the trump administration. they are perverting that. right, they are undermining that bipartisan consensus. and on top of that, not even investing significantly either. it's the worst of all worlds. what i really emphasize is that kind of tradition, it's a part of the public education system, not an attempt to dis

obama administration under the obama administration, rules were violated concerning surveillance of america. we found that out in the last week or so. we know that comey was taking copious notes. did he take the notes with president obamaynch? >> i'm sure we will get some answers. >> dagen: thanks, thomas. notice the rising prices at the pump this weekends? why states are working hard to keep it that way. and the president's team says their budget is a good start for relief. democrats claiming they're asking for kids to go hungry. who is right? the debate next. >> it's not an overstatement to say that some children will die from this. you think traffic's bad now, the future's going to be a nightmare! does nobody like the future? c'mon, the future. he obviously doesn't know intel is helping power autonomous cars and the 5g network they connect to. with this, won't happen in the future. thanks, jim. there's some napkins in the glovebox. okay, but why would i need a napkin? you could have just told me a bump was coming. we know the future. because we're building it. >> when are democrats and republicans alike going to go back to say we can't sustain this? >> you're worked up because you know they have tried some accountin

obama administration that gave him a security clearance. it was president obama who fired michael flynn from the defense intelligence agency. so, you know, this attempt to put michael flynn on the obama administrationgests that trump is really feeling very uncomfortable about flynn, the suggest of flynn being raised. and again, it all goes back to this issue of whether flynn and other people involved in the trump campaign were working with russia to defeat hillary clinton. i mean, that question is what hangs over all these hearings. we don't know the answer to it, but there's more and more evidence that justifies further investigation. >> and with flynn, it was were sanctions, were relief of sanctions discussed or implied during conversations with russian officials. errol, as this was coming through, you're recalling that was that very important meeting everyone was waiting for between the two, the two presidents. >> sure, that's right. the shock of the election outcome had really not even settled in, right? remember, the election was on november 8th. two days later, in the oval office shaking hands with president obama with all kinds of different sort of bad blood between not just the two parties.

obama's policies, so the idea that president obama did not like the guy does not seem shocking. the point you have to ask yourself is if you -- if the obama administration or under the obama administrationif they reissued one of the highest security clearances you can get, knowing what they knew then and then did not do anything to take a proactive step to suspend it in any way, shape, or form, the question you have to ask yourself is if they were concerned, why didn't they take any steps? they are the ones who at that point had all of the access and all the knowledge to everything that was on this security clearance, not us. so president obama or anyone else frank lee in the government was concerned, the question should be asked, what did they do, and if nothing, then wy not if they really truly were concerned? i think that is a fair question. >> reporter: over the weekend, north korea detained the fourth u.s. citizen. are you concerned that they are trying to escalate tensions even further? do you consider these americans hostages? what are you doing diplomatically back channel or otherwise to try to get them released? >> press secretary spicer: obviously, this is concerning. we are w

obama administration when the obama administration focused so much on the iranian nuclear talks. that threatened the saudis. the saudis are rolling out the red carpet for president trump because they are happy that the u.s. is now once again paying attention to their needs. the president will also be trying to raise among nato allies, they're going to need more forces for afghanistan. it is clear they are going to try to get commitments from those other countries so there won't have to be as many u.s. forces sent to afghanistan. before the press conference at the pentagon began which, by the way, is only the second press conference defense secretary mattis has had in the briefing room since january 20th. i asked whether there were iranians targeted and killed by u.s. warplanes when that u.s. air strike was called in yesterday inside syria near the u.s. training base near the jordanian border. he surprised reporters by saying that there may have been iranians on the ground killed later during the press conference, defense secretary mattis said these were iranian directed shia militias. the purpose of press conference was to outline the president's directive to accelerate the destruction of isis. on that front, defense secretary mattis and chairman of the joint receives and the state department special envoy made a few key points. the new strategy involved surrounding isis inside syria and iraq and killing all of the foreign fighters so that they could not leave syria or iraq. the suggestion was this would no longer be a game of whack-a-mole. >> first, he delegated authority to the right level to aggressively and in a timely manner move against enemy vulnerabilities. secondly, he directed a tactical shift from shoving isis outof these locations in an attrition fight to surrounding the enemy in their strong holds so we could annihilate isis. the purpose is to prevent the return home of escaped foreign fighters. i want to emphasize here, there's been no change to our rules of engagement. >> reporter: hrefs asked whether the decision to arm the syrian ku kurds, a suggestion that was handed off to the obamatration then delayed because mike flynn opposed it. he said thaf not true. mattis and general dunford said the delay in arming the kurds did not delay efforts to retake raqa. that it took time to surround raqa and now they are ready to arm the syrian kurds, even though that decision may anger the turks who mike flynn is being investigated for having received $500,000 in speaking fees from. >> jenna: wow. that is a lot of news. really key news ab iranians targeted, not directly targeting iranians per se, but pro assad forces that they believe to be iranians on the ground in syria. also the strategy of not allowing isis fighters to flee syria, to go into europe, where they have ease of travel to all over the world, including the united states. but to kill the enemy where they sit as of right now. these are key strategic points that we should really focus on as we watch the president depart for saudi arabia. the first part of his trip is going to be about fighting isis, about fighting rad

obama administration, president obama himself purportedly he had given the new president to be a heads up on general flynn a game changer? how would you describe it? >> i don't see this comment from these obama administration officials to be necessarily a game-changer in any way. i think that president trump at the time did have faith in michael flynn. i do believe that following what we have seen in these events that happened in the months, in january, february, where flynn had to resign, flynn continues to be that reoccurring nightmare that does not to away for the

did send a signal that the trump administration was going to take this even less seriou y seriousseriously than the obama administration did and the obama administrationcized. so i think that's something we should keep our eye on in the days ahead. >> something to keep our eyes on here, michael, is whether this is the new normal or not. should we expect this in the upcoming elections to have these sort of headlines days before, or hours before a major and pivotal election. we're watching some pictures coming in what we believe to be the motorcade of the elected president -- the president elect, emmanuel macron. we expect him to be arriving at the louvre which we're watching live pictures. i want to let people know what you're see on the left-hand side of the screen. in 30 seconds reflecting on that idea of the near normal. >> yeah. look, you know, we were talking. we've focused on the russians because they have been the most prominent but it is also conceivable that other actors having seen the russian success in the last year in our election have now feel -- they feel they can engage in this as well. others state sponsored, other private actors we do

obama's policies. so the idea that president obama, you know, didn't like the guy doesn't seem shocking. but the point you have to ask yourself is, if the obama administration or under the obama administration, if they reissued one of the highest security clearances that you can get, knowing what they knew then, and didn't do anything to take a proactive step to suspend it in any way, shape or form, the question is, if they were concerned, why didn't they take any steps? they're the ones who had at that point all the access and all the knowledge to everything that was on his security clearance form, not us. so if president obama or anyone else in the government was concerned, the question should be asked, what did they do? and if nothing, then why not if they really truly were concerned? that is a fair question. dave, dave, dave, dave. >> sean, over the weekend, north korea detained the fourth u.s. citizen. are you concerned that they're trying to escalate tensions even further? do you consider these americans hostages? and what are you doing diplomatically, back channel or otherwise, to get them released? >> obviously ts is concerning. we're well aware of this an we're going to work throug

administration that was still forming. november 10th of last year when president obama sat down with then president elect trump, he warned trump directly against michael flynn who the obama administration fired in 2014 as the head of the defense intelligence agency, because, according to three former obama administration officials, the president obama, believed flynn was not suitable for high level post as national security adviser. a trump administration official said obama's remarks seems like it was made in jest. seven days after that, describing how michael flynn was receiving intelligence briefings while advising foreign clients. late last week both the washington post and associated press reported that during the transition trump's own transition team was concerned about flynn's contact with the russian ambassador. sally yates, under oath, said she warned the white house in january that flynn had misled trump officials, including vice president mike flynn about his contacts with the russian ambassador and that the russians knew about it. >> michael flynn did not resign his position until february 13th, that is 18 days after you went over there with the formal warning. and in particular, after they knew about this on january 28th, flynn was allowed to join president trump on an hour long telephon

obama administration gave flynn the highest security clearance ever. you sesaying how they acted quickly in 18 days and some defense on general flynn laying the blame on the obama administration. >> that didn't stand up in the hearing today. we heard from general clapper for these white house position there's a far higher level of scrutiny than general rotation of five year review. apparently, that was not done. we don't know that. but the white house cannot factually say that the pre-existing clearance for general flynn was adequate for this national security advisor position. that is just not true evidently. >> can i build on that? number one, what general flynn did that's got us all upset was after he was fired by the obama administration. so did the obama administration have reason to withdraw his security clearance while he was out campaigning for president trump? i can't say that they had enough evidence. as to vetting general flynn, general kelly said that he went through a very long process with the white house, asked about foreign contacts, did he represent any foreign governments. obviously, that didn't work when it came to general flynn in the white house. you have to hold the white house accountable in my view for not properly vetting general flynn's contact with turkey and russia. >> wouldn't it have been instead of today president trump laying the blame on the obama administration in a tweet saying basically they gave him the clearance now we know there is a higher clearance he should have had subsequently instead the president tweeted today, please watch the hearing, we need to hear what former acting attorney general yates said. once in a while we get lied to in security clearances. that wou

administration when it comes to security clearance. they didn't trust obama. are they trying to have it both ways? the security cleerps was good enough but the warning by the obama administration was not good enough? >> right. the idea that the renewal of security clearance was an obama administrationould have been done by mid-level bureaucrats at the defense and intelligence agencies. hardly something that would have gone up to anybody at the political level. and let's also remember, the revelations of just last week, from the white house oversight committee, indicating that general anyone flynn had not fully disclosed his payments from the russian government through r.t., in the security clearance renewal process. if he got the security clearance under false pretenses, by failing to report that he had gotten payments, from a russian government entity, even after being warned that in order to accept those payments or e mollmemol emoluments, he had to get approval from the d.i.a. it raises questions about flynn's conduct rather than whatever mid level bureaucrats in the pentagon reapproved his security clearance. >> it is problematic. if you look at this picture, how problematic is it that the former national security adviser was in the room, michael flynn, you see him highlighted

administration when it comes to security clearance. they didn't trust president obama, his warning about michael flynn. so are they trying to have it both ways here? the security clearance given by the obama administration was good enough, but the warning given by the obama administrationot good enough. >> right. well, first of all, the idea that the renewal of the security clearance in 2016 was an obama administration move, yes, it happened -- it would have been done by mid-level bureaucrats at the defense intelligence agency. hardly something that would have gone up to anybody at the political level. and let's also remember the revelations of just last week from the house oversight committee indicating that general flynn had not fully disclosed his payments from the russian government through "rt" in the security clearance renewal process. so if he got the security clearance under false pretenses by failing to report that he had gotten payments from a russian government entity, even after being warned that in order to accept those payments, or emoluments, he had to get preapproval from the army or the dia, you know, it raises further questions about flynn's conduct rather than whatever mid-level bureaucrats in the pentagon reapproved his security clearance. >> julia,

obama. >> he was approved by the obama administration at the highest level. and when they say we didn't vet, well, obama, i guess, didn't vet, because he was approved at the highest level of security by the obama administrationporter: and president trump is right. the obama administration granted michael flynn a security clearance, but flynn resigned from that post in 2014, a year before he was paid for that speech in russia. it's something that a second background check, if done by the trump team, may have picked up. >> that report from cnn's jessica schneider. >>> well, president trump's former national security adviser, michael flynn, is also under scrutiny for his contacts with russia's ambassador to the u.s. jack barski is a former kgb spy. he spoke with cnn's ana cabrera about general flynn. >> i'm absolutely blown away by the naivete of a senior person, such as mr. flynn, not understanding that when you get in touch with somebody in an official capacity from russia, or in the old days, the soviet union, you might as well talk to their secret service. i mean, these types of individuals are either directly associated with one of their services, or at least report back. this has always been like that in

. >> no, but obama perhaps knew because he had clearance from the obama administration, and this is something they didn't want to report. he had clearance from the obama administration, the highest clearance you can have, and i think it's a very unfair thing the media doesn't talk about that. you know, you're talking about 2015. i don't know that i knew him in 2015. >> the senate intelligence committee wants information from the treasury department's financial crimes unit about your finances, your businesses' finance. can you tell us whether you, your family, your businesses, surrogates have accepted any investments, any loans from russian individuals? >> yeah, in fact, i just sent a letter from lindsey graham from one of the most prestigious law firms in the country. a tremendous, highly ritted law firm, that i have nothing to do with russia. i have no investments in russia, none whatsoever. i don't have property in russia. a lot of people thought i owned office buildings in moscow. i don't have property in russia, and i am in very -- i'm in total compliance in every way. i have to tell you, i file documents, hundreds of pages worth of documents with the federal el

obama administration. trump was very critical of the obama administration relationship with saudi arabia. he criticized obama bowing to the king. now we have pictures of trust affecting -- pictures of trump accepting a metal -- medal. wille white supremacists be shocked but he is with them. if this can translate into thousands of employment, this is good. it is going to be a wait and see game. >> i look to swing across to what is happening on the ground in tehran. this rivalry between the kingdom of saudi arabia and iran. the closer the united states comes to saudi arabia, the more of an impact it is going to have for the future of iran. would you expect going forward for that rivalry and what it means for iran as well? >> i think the ball is in iran's court. rouhani needs to demonstrate he is ready to reengage the nuclear read --ey would have to to reduce of the interference in the middle east and syria and even places in the gulf. to comeiran will need up with a plan to relate to this new reality. of course of the europeans would be very content with the previous the deal but now with the americans very st

and weeks, attacking the obama administration as recent as today, with those tweets, attacking the obama administration effectively for hiring mike flynn, it's notable that the obama administration, the president ultimately had fired flynn, he was then serving at the dia at the time, but that this information was provided to donald trump in that closed forum, another element of that conversation we know about is that president obama warned then president-elect trump about the concerns regarding north korea. all of this, the backdrop for sally yates' testimony to take place later this afternoon. we have reached out to the white house for any response. we have not yet heard back, but when we do, we will report that to you. again, just to be very clear about this, nbc news has now learned from at least three former obama administration officials that president obama at the time, it was on thursday, november 10th, warned then president-elect donald trump against hiring mike flynn. chris? >> all right. we're going to have peter stand by. as soon as he gets any reaction from the white house, we'll go back to him. but greg miller from the "washington post," you have been

obama administration tried to do something similar. the obama administration in saudi arabia, gave almost a blank check to what saudi arabia was doing in yemen. it is too early to render judgments but what i like about what obama tried to do and don't foresee the trump administration doing is having a limit and trying to balance the embrace of the saudis with sustained dialogue through a variety of channels with iran and i don't think we have seen the trump administration take advantage of the channels the obama administration established. >> obama told the saudis one of the reasons they hated obama is share the region with iran. that is a reasonable thing, so i think -- i don't know, personalities involved in saudi decisionmaking are young, hotheaded it appears and i don't know if they are easily persuaded to sit down with their irani and counterparts. there are no irani and 30-year-olds running the country, there are no counterparts but some older more seasoned irani and diplomats. don't know if they are willing to sit down -- i hope they would be persuaded to. >> let's go back to iran, a choice iranians made that i wrote about for the atlantic council so things would not get worse and with trump in the whit

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