obama care has been good for our business. has lowered our health care cost in 2011 by about $9600. i feel better about it because it gives us protection for premiums and loss ratio. >> louisa, why have they gone down? i hear some have gone up, what is the explanation yours have gone down? >> in 2011, it's the lowest it has been since 2000. i've seen increases from 15 to 30% with no reason whatsoever. in 2011 with the medical loss ratio there, it did not go up. >> william, what kind of business do you have and has obama care been good or bad for your business? >> i'm a co-owner of a company, american bar products. we produce steel bars used in manufacturing all across the country and canada and mexico. obama care is going to be a disaster for us. i received the new updated plan for us in 2013. our rates are up 33% this year. i was advised last week by my health insurance agent that under obama care our rates would go up another 40 to 50%. she recommended to me that our company is going to have to look at self-in insuring. now

obama care was never about health care, health insurance or health reform. it was only and solely and still is about government power and control. when you look at the history of authoritarian regimes, one of the first things they do when they seize power is seize control of the health care system, for one simple reason. if the government controls your health care, the government controls you, period. >> i'm going to bring up that 10 yerld -- >> it's going to be funded on the backs of young americans. folks under 35 years old, men and women. that e that's. >> a study just came out that 26-year-olds are going to have to cover 80% of their premiums. if you got sick, you would go to the emergency room and you would get cover -- >> this was called the baucus bill. and he's calling it a train wreck. >> the premiums, the cbo has lowered it, it has been considered an independent analysis of premiums. a lot republican states that are trying to make a case gerjs obama care. >> point number two, my point would be really interesting, if perhaps the government had take

>>> defending obama care. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. leading off tonight president obama throws down the gauntlet on republicans launching an all-out offensive against republican threats to cripple his signature achievement, obama care. in a press conference late today the president was defiant. at times he almost seemed to taunt republicans when it came to their threat to shut down the government over the issue. in attacks that were swift and surgical, he began by calling out the republican fixation of obstructionism. >> the really interesting question is why it is that my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail, their number one priority. the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30 million people don't have health care. that's hard to understand as an agenda that's going to strengthen our middle class. >> and this was his response to tea party leaders like ted cruz, rand pa

people know what obama care is.ropean, socialist style-type health care and people don't want it. the real story here is the democrats in the senate and the house, the wants who want to be reelected have turned their back on the president. that's the story not the tactics on the republican side of the aisle. people don't want this. if this was such a great idea then all of the senators that were vulnerable in 2014 would have voted for it and they didn't. and that should tell you everything you want to know. the cynical part of it it says keep it in place so we can run even more on obama care in 2014. >> nonetheless, there are divides in the democratic party, you're right. there are divides in the republican party and that's why god made horse races. so nothing wrong with that, but you are hearing some folks in the republican saying i would rather shut the government down than to ton fund obama care. politically speaking, highway would a government shutdown play in 2014 for republicans on the ballot? . i think all re

obama care was never about health care, health insurance or health reform. it was only and solely and still is about government power and control. when you look at the history of authoritarian regimes, one of the first things they do when they seize power is seize control of the health care system, for one simple if the g health care, the government controls you, period. >> i'm going to bring up that 10 yerld -- >> it's going to be funded on the backs of young americans. folks under 35 years old, men and women. that e that's. >> a study just came out that 26-year-olds are going to have to cover 80% of their premiums. if you got sick, you would go to the emergency room and you would get cover -- >> this was called the baucus bill. and he's calling it a train wreck. >> the premiums, the cbo has lowered it, it has been considered an independent analysis of premiums. a lot republican states that are trying to make a case gerjs obama care. >> point number two, my point would be really interesting, if perhaps the government had take enover health -- helped the mar

>> members of congress and their staff are in obama care. they're in the exchange. >> at least they're taken care of. >> right. >> in terms of -- what did you want today? why was he testifying today? >> we had two people who were testifying. one is mr. cohen in charge of the implementation at cms, at health and human services and the other was werfel who we've heard from before, the acting director of the irs. in terms of cms, look, they have a fraud rate of about 8% on medicare payments and the question that i posed to him is, you're blowing about $40 billion to $50 billion a year on medicare fraud. what is it that you think you're doing so well on the irs side as it relates to obama care? and he said there's absolute ly no relationship between the two. in other words, it's hey, look at the shiny object. don't worry about our past conduct, don't worry about the past fraud rate, just let's concentrate on the future. it was an absurd assertion that doesn't stand any real scrutiny. >> it's funny you say that. i got a tweet from an airman colfax

i believe obama care is an owe bomb nation.will not work. 2600 pages under political heat will be a disaster. my fear is we will end up so negatively impacking a sixth of our economy that it will be very hard it recover. so i understand the emotion behind, this is our last shot. when i say, i think the republicans have missed an opportunity, i don't think the american people are particularly satisfied with an answer that says, let's repeal it, but we don't know what we will do instead. so what i would have hope said that over the last four plus years there would have been thoughtful people, saying, the original goal is right. access to affordable healthcare. here is what we should do instead. and there is no "instead." i think that will be a big problem. >> i want to pick up on that aspect of this whole debate, senator leiberman. even acknowledgement of bumps in the road, obama care starting in october, but through the rest of 2014, what do you think are the chances that the roll out of the program will end up being a burden fo

obama care. do you think that now is the time to compromise and work out some wrinkles, or is it time now to fight it for you? >> i think it's time for us to continue to fight it, because factually, this policy simply doesn't work. it's too big, 2,000-plus pages. a regulatory environment that may include over 30,000 pages. it's too complicated. you do not get to keep the insurance that you like. you break the intimate relationship between a doctor and a patient. and it's too expensive. it started out $900 billion. in 2009, it went to $1.8 trillion and perhaps even as high as $3 trillion. the worst we started with 15% of americans without insurance, and most experts say that we'll have 10% of americans still without insurance after spending $3 trillion and collecting a new $800 billion in revenue from higher taxes and higher fees. this is awesome. >> it's hard to figure out exactly what it is. it's quite a -- it has quite an evolution, meaning just the other day, we learned that it's not going to

he is smart enough to know that for instance, you can't defund obama care. listened to your last segment. he knows you can't risk shutting the government down over health care law. that's his position as a responsible governor. but every time he talks like that, the tea party is down his throat saying you're a traitor to us. this is why he is in such a difficult spot, and those of us who are supporting alison lundergan grimes are enjoying the schadenfreude because he is in a very, very difficult spot. >> you literally had his campaign manager jesse benton saying he had to hold his nose to work for mcconnell. he was a rand paul guy. there we see him a picture holding his nose to deal with mcconnell. the need for mitch mcconnell to key opt the rand paul faction. has he really coopted them or are they leveraging him to help rand become president? >> well, i think a lot of them are trying to leverage him. they understand they have him in this kind of spot. the idea he would be publicly u milliated by his campaign manager and the best he can do is put up that pict

obama care was being debated, president obama promised the american people who said by the end of myt term, the average family's health insurance premiums will drop by $2500. >> after

except obama care.nd it should explicitly prohibit any funding for obama care, mandatory or discretionary. and i filed legislative language in the senate to do that. the next stanl, we know how this play goes forward, president obama, harry reid, will scream and holler that the mean, nasty republicans are threatening to shut down the government. and that point, the republicans have to do something we haven't done in a long time, stand up and win the argument. we have it stand up and say no, we want to keep the government open. we have voted to keep the government open, to fund the government. why is president obama threatening to shut the government down, to force obama care down the throats of the american people. >> you'll need 41 republicans, how close are you? >> we do not have the votes right now. we need 41 republicans in the senate or 218 republicans in the house. and that will only happen -- you know what, this fight is likely to heat up in the month of september. that's going to be when the bat

. >>> defending obama care. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm michael smerconish in for chris matthews. leading off tonight president obama throws down the gauntlet on republicans launching an all-out offensive against republican threats to cripple his signature achievement, obama care. in a press conference late today the president was defiant. at times he almost seemed to taunt republicans when it came to their threat to shut down the government over the issue. in attacks that were swift and surgical, he began by calling out the republican fixation of obstructionism. >> the really interesting question is why it is that my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail, their number one priority. the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30 million people don't have health care. that's hard to understand as an agenda that's going to strengthen our middle class. >> and this was his response to tea party leaders like ted cruz, rand pa

. >> defund obama care sue repeal obama care. ♪ ♪ i want it now, i want it all >> i wanted to do th care because i knew it could change the country and i knew it could help people. >> we see this coming. just like the tie tannic. >> on the ship we're going to die. >> are you saying that society should let him die? >> no. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right? there are 47% who are with him who are -- who believe that they are victims. >> that's who the republicans are. we shouldn't be talking about infrastructure investment, investment in education, investment in workers and going round two on health care. >> i want to repeal the law of the land. is that clear. >> we will not back down from that fight. >> i've been very proud to do that. ♪ >> let's go. let's hit the road. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. here we are, back on weeknights. have i seen this studio before? it must be a different zip code. whatever. it is great to be here monday through friday, 5:00 eastern time. let employee give you the ed guarantee when we

are you for defunding obama care it.gainst just give me a yes or no? obama care.efunding >> that's what i want to hear. i think most of the people here there room want to hear that. on you to vote that way because we are going to be looking and watching you, senator. you better do what we want you o tdo because we pay your salary. see any people i want to your lands it defund became c e care? a let me ask the question different way. how many of you want to defund going to if it is shutdown and ment on it. you have missed my point. i don't vote for c.r.'s anyway. nobody thought harder and nobody obama the fight against care -- do you realize we have gutted six components already obama care? >> [inaudible]. >> you and i are going to have disagree. i think the tactic is a failed tactic. you are missing my point. straight. one record you elected me to follow the constitution and make my best long-term n the interests of this country. that is what you elected me to do. you won't like every one of my 99.2% but i have a conservative rating in terms of protecti

obama care is a mess. our foreign relations have never been worse and just this week the white house spin machine came out in full force after president obama canceled next month's bilateral meeting with russian president vladimir putin. we all know it's just a show and today we learn that the president will hold a press conference tomorrow before he heads to martha's vineyard for vacation. to add to this, the always shy demur ann coulter. how are you? >> fine, thank you. so looking forward to talk with you. >> so many think the american people are too dependent on government. what does that say? >> to be honest with you, the american people are a little schizophrenic on it. they always say government is too big and then you start talking about what you're going to cut. no, no, don't cut that. the one exception to that is obama care and that's why amnesty is so important. if amnesty goes through, obama care will never, ever, ever be overturned. i think for one thing, please do not take your eye off the ball

recognize as obama care. for the governments to take credit. they are refusing to do what's in their best interest. >> the states have different words for it. they don't call it obama care, the place where you get your socialism or whatever that moniker was. i think it's both helpful and harmful to the president's legacy. helpful, yes, poor people, people who need health care get the health care they need. harmful insofar as he's not getting credit for the good stuff. there's been a torant of negative publicity around something that i think is good for the nation. when we talk about what the president has done for the country, there is some concern on the part of progressives who have seen him weather this storm. he should be able to take credit for the good stuff, too. >> the more people that get signed up for this program, whatever it's called, in whatever state, he'll get credit in the long term. and the point is, he doesn't care. >> that seems to be the attitude, working with state governments. ezra, befo

it's not with obama care.major social program we had roll out in american history, social security, medicare, medicaid, things so popular today, they all had bumps in the road. they are major programs. you can anticipate that with obama care. i think republicans are making a huge mistake if they think this is going to somehow rebound to their benefit. "wall street journal" had a poll about two weeks ago. most americans say, this is going to happen. there is no way you are going to turn this around at this point. there is a democratic majority in the senate, there is president obama democrat in the white house, they are not going to allow to you defund or do away with obama care. that is ridiculous. >> this isn't a bump in the road, it's a giant sinkhole in the american economy. look how the reality how obama care was passed. this was a party line vote. it was not based on fixing the system. there is something americans need to realize here. while it's only 2,000 something pages, which is ridiculous in nature,

it's not defunding obama care. obama care hasn't been funded. so the real question is will we vote to fund obama care or not, not defund. and it's certainly not the republicans who would shut the government down. it would be president clinton -- president obama. of course i don't think it would get to his desk. but by virtue of him not signing or vetoing the budget. that would shut the government down. >> let me show you something, congressman pittender took a vote to fund obama care even though he tried to explain why it would be pointless. and the crowd did not like what they heard. >> we lose over there, then they come back to us in the house. if you win by going after not only -- we look at your -- and how you're going to win. >> it doesn't matter what harry reid does, we need to show the american people we stand for conservative values -- >> aisha, the passion still seems to be on the right side of the aisle. you're telling me that you think there's potentially a wave coming of democratic support in time for the 2014 cycle, but you don't se

, and not defunding obama care.at very interesting. what's your take on it? >> well, i think it's the correct strategy that baner is quite correct. first, protect the sequester numbers. don't let spending jump back up again. don't punch a hole in those budget caps that were won in 2011. second, what do we do about the train wreck which the democrats now agree, the train wreck of obama care and obama's giving delays to big businesses, delays to campaign contributorers and delays to the labor unions and delays to the insurance companies and what we say is why not delay the individual mandate for people for the american people, for small businesses ee because the president started to backpedal because of the failure of hisson bill and it's reasonable for him to say get your act together and we'll look at it again. >> ahmed, your take on this? >> at the end of the day, boehner seems to be drinking more merlot than he usually does. >> as in california wine. >> yeah. i think that's what he likes. that's what i hear. maybe

what you're going to see is some discussion about whether the individual mandate in obama care could be delayed the way that president obama unilaterally delayed the employer matching. >> take a look at this new fox news poll. let's not forget, midterms not that far away. 57% of voters say obama care, the implementation, is a joke. not that it's going fine. they must, i imagine, be paying attention to this on both sides of the aisle. they want to keep their jobs. >> absolutely. there's a couple of deadlines to look at here. one, october 1st. not very far away. the obama care exchanges are supposed to be up and running. and i think by all accounts, the administration is pretty far behind on this. and you're going to have significant worries about whether it's just -- it really is this train wreck. people will go online to these exchanges. they won't be there. it won't work. it will be a bad experience for a lot of people. then on january 1st the whole thing with the exception of the employer mandate, which president obama delayed, the whole thing, the rest of it, is is supposed to go i

what they want is not obama care. they want it yanked. why do we have to accept their claim that the health care system is broken? i would submit to you it's being broken. i would much rather take the american health care system before obama care was elected than what we have now. it's a no-brainer. the biggest problem in american health care is it has no relationship to the cost of living of the average citizen like every other business does. there's simply no relationship, no market relationship between the costs in health care and the lives of the american people. 62% of the american people oppose the economic policies of the regime. what's the republican party doing? on issue after issue, there's a giant majority waiting to be connected. >> governor, just to reemphasize, this is a gallop poll. this is not a fox news poll. it's the president's approval rate on the economy is 35%. >> this president has ignored the reality that obama care is depressing the economy. he's ignored the fact that overregulation is costing jobs. he's ignored th

dollars. >> reporter: republicans would let individuals decide what insurance they want, while obama careictates what benefits people must buy. >> we ought to be moving into patient centered health care, patients and families and doctors making medical decisions, not washington, d.c. >> reporter: republicans made clear they indeed have alternatives, including ways to protect those with pre-existing conditions and ways to reduce costs, in spite of the president's comments to the contrary. >> jim, thank you. >>> an unpublished memo from a congressional research service reports the obama administration missed half of the health care law's legally imposed implementation deadlines. says as of may 31st, 9 of 12 first year deadlines not met. 22 of 53 in the second year, 10 of 17 in the third. adds up to 41 of 82, exactly half the deadlines missed. >>> speaking of health care, some folks that work in one of the most famous institutions of higher learning are not happy with their new wellness program. correspondent david lee miller tells us it all starts with a few simple questions. >> reporter: s

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right now there is bipartisan agreement obama care isn't working. x baucus has described it as a huge train wreck. the head of the teamsters said obama is destroying the 40-hour work week that is the back bone of the american noomiddle class. and this week the irs union asked to be exempted from it. they don't want to be subject to it because the wheels are coming off. >> is the purpose of the national tour to put pressure on your own republican colleagues? because right now the country is not united on this particular tactic. they don't like obama care but they're they're not united. are you trying to put pressure on your fellow republicans? >> the purpose of the tour is to molie i mobilize and energize the american people. in order to win we've got to get 41 republicans in the senate or 218 republicans in the house. right now we don't have those votes. but just this week a national web site launched don'tfundit.com. in just four or five days 140,000 people have signed up. if in the next 60 days we get hundreds of thousands or even millions of ameri

if you hate obama care the power of the purse is the way to stop it. you can't end it, but delay it for a year by defunding it. i want to put up a very interesting poll that's out this weekend. gallup latest poll, obama's approval rating is down to 41%. it hasn't been lower than that in almost two years. chip, what are the political stakes here for the gop? you have a somewhat vulnerable president, a lot of growing doubts about him on obama care and other issues. on the other hand, do you really want to take the hostage and say, no funding obama care? >> well, this is a complex issue. the president is doing a good job of driving his own approval ratings down. look, there's no question the right wing of our party wants this vote. they want to defund obama care and are okay with shutting down the government and you have the whole united states congress hanging in this balance. we'll decide if we get control based on whether we defund obama care or not. because that depends on who will be our general election candidate. >> i guess i'm not quite understand

been following obama care which obama does care. finally the white house doesn't brace what was a derogatory term. they show where it's a success, it's a failure. the mainstream media, conservatives isn't doing its job is not true. the whole thing about when it will be implemented. so the fact is that it's not been ignored and if you read enough media outlets, you'll see what's going on. >> judy, there are a lot of reports that the costs are going to be much higher than the president promised and the media generally seemed to ignore that. >> i think that's because the president himself said there will be some implementation problems. this is a huge ly ambitious program. if implemented well, it will do a lot to increase the health, improve the health of americans. the problem? it's all in the 'em pliemttatio. as rich lowrey said, who are you going to believe, the president's numbers or your lying insurance company? >> or your right wingo owe. >> nothing like the president to begin with. >> nbc and others reported that americans will

as far as defunding obama care, you heard republicans saying, we need to debate obama care. i believe they did that when they passed it. >> you know, the supreme court, one would think, sort of settled the matter. but bob, going back to what esther was just talking about, you would think at some point, even at these town hall meetings, would wise up and realize, when there have been -- you know, when they're being made fools of, to a certain extent. >> made fools by whom? i think that right now, there's not a lot of deep thinking that goes into town hall meetings. it's an awful lot of people vetting. nobody wants to deal with the complexities of issues like health care in the united states. so they're easily demagogued. i think that's what we're seeing, a lot of demo going tory. >> the republicans have effectively used the politics of fear. so let's keep the people scared in all these different ways and never ensure that their focus is actually on us. because these are the people who actually represent you. if you were to ask those town halls, identify the policies the gop h

except for obama care. then they send it over to the senate. the majority, they have the power of the purse in the house. let's walk through this. so, the government is fully funded but for obama care. then it goes the senate. say they don't pick it up. who is responsible? >> well, they're afraid that they don't have the intelligence, the confidence, the knowledge, or the ability to articulate who is actually shutting down the government. now, i don't speak for the republican party, hardly. but do you realize every weekend, the government is shut down? do you realize every holiday, the government is shut down? i like the weekends, i like my holidays when the government is shut down. >> me, too. >> and these essential personnel, they never go home. whether it's the epa, department of agriculture. there are federal laws in place for so-called essential personnel. so, i mean, we've been through this. let me ask you a question. do you ever play poker and show the other side your hand? >> never. >> you show the other side your hand, they are running

they're just saying specifically not obama care. very unpopular law. >> and do you think -- okay, no question, but do you think that they can basically make that case and make it about that, when obama's going to be saying the opposite? he's going to be saying, republicans want to shut down the government in order to deny health care to poor people. that will be the debate. >> but that's -- >> i'm not saying he's right, but that's what he'll say. >> you can clearly state this is not about poor people, they already get medicaid. obama care is about hooking the rest of us -- >> you're already explaining, sir. >> i don't see a lot of downside here. because if either they force some reform, maybe even if it's too much to hope that they get the president to kill obama care, maybe they enforce some delays in the implementation of it. on the other hand, what do you have? you have -- the government shuts down for a few days. maybe some epa employees will be considered nonessential and people will be able to drill for more oil. i mean, i don

no such thing as an obama care draft card. there's not even an obama care card. there's no card, no paper at all. there is nothing to burn. so freedom works has had to make their own draft card. you print it out on the website and burn it yourself. so take a stand, good american by burning your freedom works provided obama care draft card that doesn't draft you to do anything. >> burning the card is a symbol, of course, because there's no card yet. actually freedom works is going to design the obama care card ourselves, put that online, we're going to share it with people in the hopes they will burn it, tear it up mark on it, send it to the irs or congressman. >> you make your own card to burn. the argument freedom works is making, people should refuse to be part of obama care. don't take free government health insurance if it is offered to you. say no. and if you say no and you get sick or get hit by a bus or you light yourself on fire while burning your self-printed obama care draft card, well, that is on you. this is a weird thing that's happened to the campai

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it is just the latest in obama care delays and includes the man date on employers to provide health cares for workers who work more than 30 hours a week. irs employees asked to be exempted and members of congress and their staff have begun to get a break from the impact. but not from you. but even congressional workers who don't want obama care, who does? joining me is austin goldsby who was an economic advisor to president obama when obama care was passed. austin, thank you. >> it is an honor. >> thank you, ser. >> thank you for having me. >> we have seen so many delays and people who don't want obama care. interestingly it is the most invested irs workers who are going to administer it. and members of congress and their staff who wrote it and unions who pushed for it; are you still one of those folks who say i love the stuff? >> i think the bill is going to do a lot of good thinlyings and bring 30 or 40 million people to have insurance so they don't have to fear going bankrupt. i would disagree with you slightly, governor on the so- called exemption for congress. what happened is in the