obama care to raise the debt ceiling? is that what i'm hearing? >> well, obama care must go. it's destroying america. >> are you linking obama care to raising the debt ceiling? >> well, we have got to stop out of control spending and that is the bottom line. obama care just spends too much and taxes too much and regulates too much and borrows too much. and it's going to be the biggest spending issue of the federal government if we don't put it on hold and what i'm fighting for is to put it on hold to delay it and defund it so we can get the american people policy makes sense for them and my patient option act is that solution i. i want to be precise. as far as ending the government shutdown you want to ling some aspect of obama care but not necessarily requiring a link to obama care to vote in favor of raising the debt ceiling. is that accurate? >> wolf, i want to give the american people the relief they need from this out of control spending and i'll do everything i possibly can doto do that and obama care will destroy everything we know as a nation so we have to focus on doing something to work fo

. >>> america is going to be destroyed, you say, by obama care? americathis united states of america is going to be destroyed if this law is fully inchmented? is that what i hear you say? >> it's going to destroy our economy and it's going to push us into a total economic collapse of america and that's exactly what i mean by it's going to destroy america. raising the specter of obama care turning america into some kind of waist land. these are the people running the country, and we take a very close look at the small number of -- to think the democratic party couldn't find a single person to run against him in last year's election. >> congressman paul brown won a special election in 2007. he won re-election in 2008, 2010 and again in no. now he wants to be georgia's next senator. his credentials? he's a doctor, he was a lobbyist for the safari club international, a group that advocates for hunters and he brags about being the first member of congress to call the president a socialist. he sits on the house science and space committee. he told the audience

obama care. i believe we have some tape. >> you don't sit on the hedgehog. >> you don't sit on obama care america. i don't know what that means. that was scripted. washington post, politico, a bunch of other news organizations ran his claim he's enrolled in obama care. somehow they didn't verify it first. if you didn't know any better you might think they wanted it to be true so they didn't check it. that can't be the case. >> these are the news organizations everyo organizations every time there's a shooting they start postulating things. they start throwing out crazy ideas. it's clear this is like when north korea troughs out the least malnourishl nour isish so square off. it shows you how gross and not fine things are. the fact they focused on one guy. this is supposed to apply to 30 million people. this is ridiculous. these are people that are supposed to be taking all kinds of crazy risks with their lives but they want insurance. >> that's why they want insurance. >> none of them are getting obama care. >> this is just a misunderstanding. when he said he enrolled in obama care, he meant he enr

. >> america is going to be destroyed, you say, by obama care? america? this united states of america is going to be destroyed if this law is fully implemented. is that what you're saying? >> it's going to take us off the edge. it's going to destroy our economy and push us into a total economic collapse of america. that's totally what i mean by it's going to destroy america. >> you know politics. are the republicans scared of the following in which order? are they scared of a real default because it's going to kill american economy in the world. we'll lose what we've had, we always pay our debts. and you know there are people like that in our on lives and people who aren't like that. are they more afraid of the reality or more afraid of the perception by the public that it's mainly the republicans' fault, 28%, lowest approval rating they've ever had for either party. what scares them more? their rates or is it the reality of the economic crisis we face? >> let me just take on the premise of your question for a second. because the assumption is that they're

. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? we will answer that question. ♪ >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new -- embarrassing america all over the world was anything accomplished? no, nada, nothing with democratics and republicans. cammeron, both sides ran out and blamed the other for not negotiating. what's the truth? >> that's exactly what happened. speaker boehner came out first. he was briefed. he was kind of kurt. seemed a little bit upset and set he the president wasn't going to negotiate on reopening the government. wasn't going we-to-reopen obama care as part of a deal to reopen government and wasn't going to negotiate on raising the debt ceiling which happens in the middle of this month and really creates a new pivot point. democrats said we are not going to negotiate on that. nancy pelosi and harry reid came out a few minutes later and all too happy to take questions and linger and blame republicans for their unwillingness to give up t

america. if you threaten to shut down the government if you don't agree with a law like obama care rather than debate it, that's not good for america, is it? >> well, you know, when you lay all that at senator cruz' feet that's a lot. you have to remember there is an appropriations process that has not worked in over four years. the congress has not worked its will through the normal appropriations process. we've gone on continuing resolutions year after year after year. that's a way to get past doing your normal appropriations. so, i would not say that senator cruise is responsible for this shutdown or even at the point that we're at. >> tell me this, if in a year's time, god forbid, the government remains shut down and you still haven't been paid money and nasa has effectively ground to a halt, would you still have such a cheering view of its necessity? >> well i wouldn't say i have a churry view. do i want the government shut down? no. i want the government to be working and effectively and efficiently. however, i believe obama care is not good for america, as we can see in the messed up ro

obama care go forward. what the president did was he rolled when big business came to washington and said give big business in americaments of obama care. he did that unilaterally. we think just because small communities, small families in america, middle class families in america, just because they don't have big lobbyists in washington, just because they don't have a lot of money doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated with that same delay for the requirements of obama care like he gave big businesses. >> don't you think, though, that the glitches and the fact that there's been such a rush for people to go out and vet what open enrollment means, what october 1st meant to so many millions of americans, some reportedly over four million that have gone individual clicks to test and learn about what obama care could mean for them come january 1st, isn't that the sign that the country is interested in having access to affordable health care? it's not just a privilege for those among us that are lucky enough to work for a big company or lucky enough to be able to afford it, but it should be affordable for all americans. >

. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? hat question. ♪ >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new

america. if you threaten to shut down the government if you don't agree with a law like obama care rather than debate it, that's not good for america, is it? >> well, you know, when you lay all that at senator cruz' feet that's a lot. you have to remember there is an appropriations process that has not worked in over four years. the congress has not worked its will through the normal appropriations process. we've gone on continuing resolutions year after year after year. that's a way to get past doing your normal appropriations. so, i would not say that senator cruise is responsible for this shutdown or even at the point that we're at. >> tell me this, if in a year's time, god forbid, the government remains shut down and you still haven't been paid money and nasa has effectively ground to a halt, would you still have such a cheering view of its necessity? >> well i wouldn't say i have a churry view. do i want the government shut down? no. i want the government to be working and effectively and efficiently. however, i believe obama care is not good for america, as we can see in the messed up ro

obama care on their necks. obama care is the end of liberty. obama care is destroying america. check of those obama care horror stories aired on fox news. a former staffer to montana governor decided to track down each of the hannity show's guests that said obama care was ruining their lives. one said obama care ruz destroying his construction business. he was firing employees. he maybe firing employees but not because of obama care because his business is small enough that nothing in the new law applies to his business at all. >> another guest said that her business is -- she can spend less money to get a plan that covers everything that used to be covered plus more. isn't that terrible. same for the third couple that appeared on the show on friday night. the existing health insurance plan was also cancelled. they said they think they are facing a 75% increase. turns out they can get a plan that covers what their old plan covered but cheaper. it is on the obama care exchange. the reason they dwnt know is because they refuse to look. they are opposed to shopping there on princi

. >> obama care is bad for america. s more like obama doesn't care. >> see, you were so much better than them at reducing complicated ideas into meaningless phrases. >> well, as we like to say in the conservative movement, we can explain it to you, we just can't understand it for you. >> well, that's very condescending. yeah. >> the affordable care act is here and it's moving forward as planned. republicans have tried running against it, they have repeatedly and repeatedly tried to repeal it. they have even provoked a government shutdown to sabotage it. now, imagine that while all of this is going on, you, you are suffering with multiple scleros sclerosis, burdened with the unimaginable monthly payments of $1200 per month, and were counting on this new law to literally change your life. >> a few years ago, amanda barrett left her job in new york to take care of her parents and for a while had temporary insurance that covered her multiple sclerosis. when it expired, many insurers wouldn't cover her because of her ms. she

browne gives his expert advice on obama care. >> obama care just spends too much taxes, too much regulation. it's going to destroy the quality of health care in america to push us into a total economic collapse of america. and obama care is going to destroy everything that we know as a nation. >> you obviously hate obama care and i was intrigued. ♪ >>> i'm joined by dr. howard dean, former governor of vermont, former chair of the dnc and founder of democracy for america. dr. dean, good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks for having me on, ed. >> absolutely. we've got in that one sentence, we've got totally destroy health care quality of america. total destruction and collapse of our economy. is anything these guys are saying about obama care the truth? >> no. it's ridiculous. it's silly. and it's a little disappointing to have doctors talk like that. i mean, doctors are supposed to be scientifically based, care about what the facts are. i don't think these guys have any idea what the facts are. in fact, i bet they couldn't explain obama care to you. they voted on it. >> exactly. and, you know, 9 million people have checked out health care.gov sinc

america is with him. and washington is what stops obama care, and only america wants that, i don't think he is chastened atll. i think a substantial part of his supporters are not chastened. i think ryan's optimism is excessive. >> give the guy a break -- >> he is going to talk himself into staying there. >> i don't even agree with it. all right, on that note, that is a perfect way to end, ryan doesn't even agree with what he is currently saying. enough of this madness. raising the debt ceiling on this debate to a huge amount that none of you can reach. shutting it down, it is over. thank you, and the trusty can is here, ready to be kicked down the road, coming up next, the shutdown, what loses, and ben ferguson, if that doesn't wake you up on this ungodly hour, nothing will. i was made to work. make my mark with pride. create moments of value. build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. starting at 49 dollars. >>> it was the wrong premise, it was the wrong fight to have. i fought against obama care and continues to, because i don't believ

. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? we will answer that question. ♪ >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new book. that professor will be here. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ li, i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. obama care not ready for prime time. that's the talking points memo and zeal it in our next segment. but, first, breaking news tonight. late this afternoon, president obama held a meeting at the white house that included congressional leadership and his advisors. with the government shutdown embracing america all over the imbare -- embarrassing america all over the world was anything accomplished? no, nada, nothing with democratics and republicans. cammeron, both sides ran out and blamed the other for not negotiating. what's the truth? >> that's exactly what happened. speaker boehner came out first. he was briefed. he was kind of kurt. seemed a little bit upset and se

. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new

. >> let the mocking begin over obama care. is america becoming a joke all over the world? hat question. ♪ >> bill: also tonight, a professor at notre dame criticizes me for not saying jesus would support obama care in my new

obama care. i get my gold plated health care plan but i want members of congress and rest of america to be in obama care, that's nonnegotiable, come on. that's not reasonable. one issue we have, the media won't ask the question about why are you treating families differ than big business. you need jon stewart on comedy central to ask secretary sebelius, hey, why won't you treat these two equally and she won't answer it. that's how pathetic news reporting has come when they won't ask tough questions to the administration. >> we've asked questions of both sides. that's not fair. >> do you ask that question, andrea. >> we have asked the question. the basic point is that -- >> why do you want your own heck and won't join us in obama care. that question i haven't seen anybody ask on msnbc. please skit. they don't have a good answer for it. with regard to actually -- >> the response kathleen sebelius gave to jon stewart, if we got what we wanted, a single payer plan, this wouldn't be the problem. >> you say i think this is what they would say but you don't know because you haven't asked. that's one of th

obama care. that's the sure here, and america is stuck with it. ing up $446 a month. washington couldn't care less about nicole. that's who i'm fighting for. i'm worried about average americans not being listened to. >> if you don't have the votes, and you clearly didn't have the votes in the senate, even if you did, the president would veto it, you use need a two-third override. so many republicans say why drag this into a non-win situation. grover norquist, you probably know him, president of the americans for tax reform. he said this -- i think if you make a mistake as big as what they did, you owe your fellow senators and colleaguessh nothing they did advanced the cause of repealing or dismantling obama care. what do you say to grover norquist. >> grover's inside the beltway. he needs to go out, as with all these or senators, particularly folks like john mccain who -- at the end of the day, obama care is bad for america, washington exempted themselves, u.s. senators still do not have to be on obama care. 1 that's a real issue here. i wouldn't w

obama care at all costs. obama care launched tuesday anyway amid massive glitches. here's america's ceo on the number of obama care enrollees in week one. >> how many people signed up for insurance this week? >> i don't have the numbers were et. >> you don't have the numbers? really, sir? can you imagine apple not knowing how many iphone 5s were sold? the number was 9 million in the first three days. almost 3 million of you watched "the five's" last show. wonder why the president doesn't know. should we rename it obama doesn't care? how did obama do on rolling out week one? "saturday night live." the five wants to know. president "o," a winner or loser? >> loser, the obama care website, with technical issues because of too much web traffic. you can't campaign on the fact millions don't have health care and then be surprised that millions don't have health care. how could you not be ready? that's like 1800 flowers getting caught off guard by valentine's day. >> his name's on it. he has no idea how many people signed up. >> that's a really inpartial open on your part. a few brave tea

obama care is going to hurt them. all the things that we conservatives know, yeah, obama care is going to hurt america, tell us something we don't know as conservatives. yet, you are saying allow america to go over the financial cliff? i mean, there are a lot of things i don't like, but, willie, even congress, mike lee, ted cruz, they moved on from this strategy like in a press conference three weeks ago and heritage, they got their heads stuck in the sand. >> some people moved on. there are some members of congress and senate who actually didn't move on, either. it's interesting, john mccain is quoted making the point that kelly makes about this exhaustion phase. in the "time's kwz he says republicans have to understand we lost this battle. i predicted white sox ago we would not be able to win because we were demanding something that's unachievable. that's john mccain. >> the editorial page was even more stinging, saying we warned you. >> so will and lindsey graham said bohner was a victim of failed strategy, adding republicans have gone too far and screwed up. peter king says the entire situation says this party is go

obama care. all we've asked for before the government shut down is that the president go into obama care, he join congress and the rest of america treatment for the american families and individuals just like the way they're -- >> there was a vote that you sent to the senate and one that defunded it, and one that delayed it, and the third one delayed the individual mandate. but the house absolutely did at one point call for defunding obama care as part of that process. >> juror referencing one of the prior votes. but the most repeat one was to make sure the president was in obama care and the administration was in the obama care and the individual mandate was delayed. >> let's talk about -- if you talked about funding government though. and one of the things that reportedly happened last night was that the congressmen in that room were supposed to go back to their offices and come up with what they would need to get from the president in order to re-open the government, to end the shutdown. what do you think those items are? >> well, first of all, i just laid out what our issues were in regard to opening the government back up.

watch because i've been listening and hearing for a year now people like ted cruz saying obama care is destroying americaer gives an example. so i saw this as a real opportunity to -- >> i agree with you. i like what you're doing here. here's another case you point out of people here who say the affordable care act is causing their financial pain. let's listen to this couple. >> our new policy, anything similar with rise between 50% to 72% and will have things in it like we have no choice. like we'll have to have maternity benefits. we're not planning on having any more kids. and going to have to have pediatric eye care and things like that. our kids are all away from home. >> so it's not a plan that you need. >> eric, your thoughts. what do you know from following up with that case? >> that was robby and tina robeson. nice folks. they pay $850 a month, $875 a month. they got a letter like many americans saying that their plan was being altered to become aca compliant and there might be a rate change. and their belief is that the rates will increase and that therefore, that represents something that -- a

is that the administration, president barack obama and jay carney and others join obama care, just like the rest of america good for america, it should be good for the president and his team. we asked for that. we asked that we treat individuals and america the same way that the president is treating big businesses. the president saw big business with the lobbyists and big money coming to capitol hill. he gave them a one-year delay in obama care. all we're saying is give that same delay to individuals, treat my middle class families the same as you're treating big businesses and if you do those few simple things, we'll have an agreement and open this back up. >> let's say republicans win, and obama care is delayed for a year or longer. what exactly does that mean for people signing up on health care exchanges today? signing up for insurance? will that mean their insurance policies will go away? what does that mean? >> no, so in our latest offer, the exchanges are still up, the subsidies are still there, all we're saying is don't have the mandate that an individual has to sign up. just like you've given a o