we anyhow she would have a hard time keeping the obama coalition together. it is not transferable i argue to any other candidate, at least not neatly. but this is a whole different set of voters and ab, said, it is a harbinger of things to come and the fact that bernie sanders is such an appealing alternative in this primary, he's a socialist and calls himself a socialist. and he's also been in washington for a thousand years. and the idea that he is a fresh alternative to hillary clinton, tells you that this thing is far from over, and i would argue that joe biden, man, talk about a wide avenue for joe biden to walk up into and capitalize on this, this is. it we wouldn't have seen this according to the experts a good 6 or 8 months ago, i don't think. a b, the situation doing hillary clinton is the e-mail situation. she's not even faced criticism in her own party about that. >> that's how challenging it is going to it be. look at what it did to her standing. none of her opponents are raising it as an issue. bernie sanders could be a poling to the hunger and

when the obama coalition stays home, you can see what happens.s the recent electoral history that is staring democrats in the face this time around in 2016. if they want to recapture the white house, they need 2016 to be more like 2008 not like 2010. they need young people and black people and latinos and women of color to show up and show out in order to put them into office. but here's one of the big differences between 2016 and 2008. right now the most consequential movement of young people of color in america is not a movement to elect a particular candidate, it's a movement to insist that black lives matter and to hold every candidate accountable to proposed policies that articulate the same. black lives matter is an independent movement untethered from particular parties or personalities and guess which party needs black votes. bernie sanders and martin o'malley were confronted by activists at net roots nation and they challenged senator sanders last weekend when he appeared in downtown seattle. and just last week it was hillary clinton's t

puttingact that he is together this coalition that looks like the obama coalition, college kids, first time caucus-goers, liberals, some pendents,nce -- inde the people who got pastor the last time. mike: i would be less worried about that than the fact that when she comes on stage, she comes with this huge piece of luggage called the past. clinton's past. elections are about the future. the e-mail stuff resurrect a past that people are somewhat uncomfortable with. that is what i would be worried about. a bipartisans desire, they want something that feels real and authentic and she does not will find any of those scores right now. mike: i don't blame people for thinking like that. the at what people have endured in terms of politicians over the last 15 years with the possible exception who -- of one young man who ran, his name was barack obama. donald trump leads the field. there is an even bigger headline here. in trump vernacular, it is huge. jeb bush and scott walker lag. in the past two months trump has shown up from 4% to 23% but so has carson. he is not far behind, increasing to

he's speaking to the sense of cultural anxiety about the rise of the obama coalition in the last few years, this nostalgia for ronald reagan, make america great again, that's a call back to ronald reagan right there and he shares their absolute disgust with and contempt for the republican party establishment in major political institutions in this country today and when he goes up there and calls out, for instance, the bush family by name, when he calls the iraq war one of the biggest mistakes in american history, he's talking in a way that none of these other republicans talk like and telling the people in that base, yeah, they say the things you want to hear but none of them mean it and deliver on it. look at me, i'm being authentic, i am somebody who can deliver on it. >> let me go back to joy. i want to ask you a question. a profound anthropological question. ronald reagan seemed to work it. he worked the the irish, the italians, the ethnic, the polish, the people in the middle politically, the ones who never felt like country club types, if you will, that weren't elite in some s

, first-time caucus hours and even independent voters much like the obama coalition in 2008.is a real problem for her. he is leading in new hampshire so she has real trouble. alix: my question was going to be, does iowa really matter cap that when you compare it to obama, it seems like yes. >> it matters a lot. alix: sec funding moving -- does shese gekko see funding moving somewhere else you go >> i think there would be widespread democratic she would behether the nominee. then there would be a discussion about other people moving in and things like that. scarlet: there is already panic in the republican party for how well donna trump continues to do. he is still ahead of the game. in the lead and i will come although it is smaller than it has been recently. the big story ben carson surging to a close second place. donald trump and i want. if you think about the poll, trump still way ahead. still the front runner by far. moving up. all four of those candidates, none of them, ted cruz the only one an elected official. he is railing against the washington establishment all the

would which is why so many people particularly the young people who were an important part of obama's coalition watched. >> rose: the president makes a case for the iran deal and a group of media observers make the case for the impact of jon stewart. when we continue. >> funding for >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with the iran nuclear deal. president obama made his case for it this morning as congress prepares to vote on the resolution by september 17th. the president made his case at american university where jfk delivered a speech on nuclear diplomacy in 1963. president obama argued that failure to approve the deal would be a historic mistake. he presented it as a choice between war and diplomacy. >> i've had to make a lot of tough calls as president. but whether or not this deal is good for american security i

they wanted to start their own entity and they may be right the obama coalition is unique to obama. it became part of the democratic party or the republican party. he used to to build the republican party. the big criticism here is it got better in '14 but a little late in the game. they almost viewed the dnc as a toxic place. part of it was they were the non-establishment figure in the primary and assumed all washington institutions were the same. when some staffers that was burned deep in them and part of the motivation. we are not going to play this. all of the members of the dnc are clintonites. they didn't want to take it over and take ownership of it. i know i got off on a tangent but it goes back to '16. i don't think what will be interesting with obama is he views the third term with biden. and i think he would be working -- i think joe biden would be asking for more help, hillary clinton will not ask for more help. he will be as helpful to her as she wants. but i get the sense there would be more of a personal ownership of biden as the nomiee than there will be for hillary.

he is a turnout machine for the obama coalition. he still questions the presidentpresident a president's birth certificate. now he's insulting women. >> just spit on some young voters and we'd be done. that's essentially the problem for the establishment which said we need to do as a party to win presidential elections and the prescriptions were just as you said, make things right with these groups. it's amazing how can you have 16 other candidates trying to make progress in that area but when you've got one with a huge bull horn, who is saying the other thing, it just pulls everybody back. >> but if you look at these poll numbers, a lot of these voters who are backing donald trump, they don't really care about electability. something like 13% say they care about electability, what they care about is strong leadership. in trump sort of running as the alpha male in the race is able to embody that for a lot of these voters. i think in some ways this provides an opening for people like jeb bush and kasich to embody -- >> i'd like to pu

she wants to be that person to keep together the obama coalition and perpetuate it. i think joe biden could step in and make the case that he's the rightful heir to obama's policies. he's been by his side throughout this. i've watched an interview with a local station up in new hampshire, wmur, just a candidate interview. a guy asked an opening question about hillary clinton and the e-mails. she answered the question for about two and a half, three minutes. there were numerous obvious falsehoods in her answer. she couldn't spin it at all. it wasn't a pressing question. it was just the obvious question you would ask about the e-mail scandal. she hasn't updated her talking points. she has no answer for that. i thought as i was watching that interview that's why there is an opening for joe biden. she still don't have answers because there are no good answers. >> they talk about the gaps. they talk about the stumbles that biden makes eventually. they think he brought the president along. on foreign policy, he's the guy that said iraq should be split in three parts and tha

look, she's trying to reassemble barack obama's new coalition base. the new majority. a significant part of that majority is now supporting bernie sanders. a significant amount. are those people going to vote for hillary if she is the nominee or are they going to stay home? they have a really big problem at the moment. >> all right. thank you all. when we come back, the left goes after its own as the democratic party's presidential candidates are confronted by protesters from the group black lives brilliantly practical scientist harriet tuttle's search for a more efficient life concluded with an unorthodox solution. harriet created four more harriets. together, they were a model of efficiency. however, while identical, they had their own interests, and their own retirement plans. each customized with a raymond james financial advisor, allowing them to enjoy life. separately. and together. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you. new citracal pearls. dedelicious berries and cream. soft, chewable, calcium plus vitamin d. only from citracal. so

democrats are having a issue, coalition the president built, without his charisma and personality i'm not sure any of these candidates will hold quite together like barack obama did. jon: do you agree with that notion, hillary clinton has to sort of reassemble the coalition that put barack obama in office? >> there is no question about that. she needs to hold on to support from african-american voters. part of what she is doing with the college loans is certainly aimed at getting younger voters excited about her candidacy. bernie sanders crowd thing, i get that why is something people seized on, with republican race and jeb bush are, some other candidate and that candidate went to houston you would guarranty the whole bunch people would be there. and i'm not sure that means that much. to the point, hillary clinton needs to do well with african-american voters, doing well with hispanic voters in order for democrats to see the same success they have seen past two cycles. jon: on the college loan program she rolled out with some fanfare, some are saying she is late to the party. bernie sanders and even martin o'malley introduced making college affordable plans o

she wants to be that person to keep together the obama coalition and perpetuate it. hink joe biden could step in and make the case that he's the rightful heir to obama's policies. he's been by his side throughout this. i've watched an interview with a local station up in new hampshire, wmur just a candidate interview. a guy asked an opening question about hillary clinton and the e-mails. she answered the question for about two and a half three minutes. there were numerous obvious falsehoods in her answer. she couldn't spin it at all. it wasn't a pressing question. it was just the obvious question you would ask about the e-mail scandal. she hasn't updated her talking points. she has no answer for that. i thought as i was watching that interview that's why there is an opening for joe biden. she still don't have answers because there are no good answers. >> they talk about the gaps. they talk about the stumbles that biden makes eventually. they think he brought the president along. on foreign policy, he's the guy that said iraq should be split in three parts and that's w

they always wanted to start their own entity that they believed -- they may be right, that the obama coalition is unique to obama, but reagan tried to -- the reagan coalition was unique to reagan, but it became a part of the democratic party -- excuse me -- the republican party. he used it to build the republican party. the big criticism here is he has never used -- it got better in '14 but a little late in the game. early on that, almost sued the dnc as a toxic place. and part of it was they were the nonestablishment figure in the primary so the automatically assumed all washington institutions were clinton institutions and, therefore are they're not going to help a clinton institution. i think that with some staffers that burned. that was burned deep in them. so, that i think was part of the motivation. we're not going to play the -- all those people that are members of the dnc, they're clintonites. they didn't want to ticket over and didn't want to take ownership of it. so i know i got off on a tangent here. goes back to '16. i do think it will be interesting with obama -- look, i think he

when they try to build the obama coalition, they have to have a way to making up for a potential splitmong african-american voters. they need that to be white women and that looks to be a much bigger challenge for them than we might have thought. that said, we are so early in this race and no one can predict what the historic nature of her candidacy might ultimately do to the female vote. >> she has runing one of the worst campaigns going. and think a terrible campaign. charlie: you think these emails will come out because somehow, somewhere, they will not have been deleted? >> it's all out there and the difference is, i don't worry about the house committee, but chuck grassley and chairman of the judiciary committee and he has a bone in his mouth. >> or a criminal investigation by the department of justice. charlie: ben? e don't want to see a rerun of bush-clinton? >> it's constant. i don't think it's definitive, but it's out there and governor bush has to answer the question all the time and there are a lot f republicans that are fearful that a third bush presidency is too high hurdl

you have bernie sanders someone having trouble catching on with the obama coalition.nd african-american and latinos. i thought with him recognizing some of the complaints from the obama coalition, from women about how hillary clinton is being covered, i thought he was making common cause with him and doing himself a a favor with that obama coalition that he's going to need should he want to mount a a credible campaign against hillary clinton. >> i would also point out that gender is an important issue for democrats. bernie sanders is someone who is learning the lessons as a presidential candidate about how important it is to talk about identity. he's someone who has worked his whole career to promote income ine equality issues. they want people to be about racial inequality. we see protesters coming out and wanting him to talk about it. >> he's also competing against the first woman who would be president. interesting dynamic. thank you both. >>> donald trump, not unusual to have him at the center of a controversial debate. but this matters. whether or not he said wha

she's making a play for the barack obama coalition for hispanics, young people, african-americans, rightight. we know in states like pennsylvania, michigan, florida, african-american voters are going to be key to trying to win those electoral votes that obama was able to win and clinton knows this. she spent a lot of time in south carolina and talking about these issues because she knows that's where her fortunes rise or fall. >> nia, david, thank you so much to both of you. appreciate it. cnn will be hosting the second republican debate on september 16. the candidates will gather in simi valley, california, and cnn will host the first of the six democratic debates on october 13th, live from nevada right here on cnn. that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00. for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next and for those in north america, newsroom with brooke baldwin starts right now. >>> brianna keilar, thank you so much. i'm brooke baldwin. we're going to begin in ferguson, missouri, where new protests are expected soon after the city became a flash point of violence. [ gunfire ] a barra

. >> to say look, i am the rightful heir of the obama coalition because i stood by the president andelped him fight. that said, i have to agree. will he be the darling of the left in can he compete with hillary clinton? i don't know. but you have to think that here's a guy who has strong progressive credentials. and democrats don't lack coordination. we've seen that time and time again. i think it is good that he jumps in. whoever wins the nomination will be better off if they have to compete for every vote and a lot of different states. >> let me ask but this. i've heard this from a few people. it could be very farfetched. we'll say that up front. bernie sanders running about 20 points behind in iowa. it is a state that likes the outside sider, the more liberal candidate. let's say bernie sanders knocks off hillary clinton in iowa. then they go to new hampshire. bernie sanders is the next door neighbor. is bernie sanders, the socialist senator from vermont, knocks off hillary clinton in the first two contests next year. does that create the kind of panic and the opening that would a

to build the obama coalition, they have to have a way of making up for a potential slip among african-americanoters. they need that to be for now, white women and that looks to be a much bigger challenge for them than we might have thought. that said, we are so early in this race and no one can predict what the historic nature of her candidacy might ultimately due to the female vote. she has run one of the worst campaigns i have seen. she has everything going for her and i think she has run a terrible campaign. charlie: do you think these e-mails will come out because somehow, somewhere, they will my have been deleted? ed: sure. you can't delete anything anymore. the difference now is, i don't worry about benghazi and the house committee. i would be worried about the chairman of the judiciary committee. he has a bone in his mouth and he has as tough a guy i have ever dealt with. nancy: or a criminal investigation by the department of justice. to see awe don't want rerun of bush-clinton. vin: at the end of the day, i don't think it's definitive. it is out there. governor bush has to answer the

we know that in a general election those obama coalition voters will be so important. >> they played y role in getting barack obama elected twice. >> that's right. and that's why they are very much out there, at least jeb bush is, trying to relate to hispanics specifically, talking about his mexican-born wife, speaking spanish on the stump even if he's in new hampshire before an all white crowd talking about immigration. >> remember after the loss in 2012 reince priebus the chairman of the rnc they did an autopsy and said republicans have to do better with minorities, with offers, you have to do better with hispanics and women, have to do better with young people. how's that working out so far? >> well, since then they have poured lots of resources into that project. they've been putting gop operatives around the country, reaching out to minority voters and koch brothers network are putting thousands of dollars into this effort, possibly even more than that. and then donald trump came along and made that message a lot more muddled. made it much more difficult. as joe johns reported, d

biden could make a strong play for the obama coalition, which may be why clinton is keeping a close eye on the african-american vote. >> black lives matter. >> reporter: late today the vice president met with the afl-cio president richard trumka. the labor union has not endorsed anyone yet. that could be a difficult sign for clinton. meanwhile the "washington post" has just posted a long investigative piece about close clinton aide huma abadin that allowed her to do conflicting work. republican charles grassley fired off a letter tonight demanding answers about what he sees as a major conflict of interest. >> about what "washington post" report, it centers on details about clinton's final trip as secretary of state. so what are we learning about that tonight? >> reporter: right. in part it focuses on a dinner in dublin that ohuma abadin set up. executives of a consulting firm she was also being paid by. she was setting all this up on her state department official e-mail account. all of this reporting by the "washington post" based on previously unreported documents obtained by conservat

but i don't think bernie has put together the two parts of the obama coalition that allowed him to win08. you need the progressive left and strong support from black voters in order to beat the more blue collar coalition that hillary had back in 2008. i don't see what the path is for him to put it together. >> i agree with that entirely, by the way. >> what about the sanders capacity to show it shall to not necessarily defeat hillary clinton from the nomination but show weakness in the candidacy going forward in the same way pat buchanan did going after the first president bush in new hampshire. not beating him but doing well against him and opening up the cracks, opening up weaknesses in what became the bush general election campaign. >> it could be true. but i don't think bernie's candidacy is at all like pat buchanan's. pat's was an attack on president bush. bernie hardly ever says a negative word about hillary clinton. i think that also under estimates how much of the vote for bernie is a positive vote for bernie. you talk about authenticity. trump has fake authenticity and bernie

you could not count on a lot of the obama coalition. i think biden would undoubtedly enter the race as a big underdog. it would be his third try for the presidency. i think he would event we are the mentality that he has nothing to lose and would approach it as happy warrior. it would be a very, very hard slog. i think that ultimately is one of the things that weighs against it. beau biden, before his tragic death, was encouraging his dad to run. i think biden is eyes open about what he would be getting into. >> james, wouldn't that be a race to cover? a joe biden criss-crossing the country with nothing to lose, no organization, and no money in the bank? oh, my goodness. >> it would be very fun to cover -- maybe even more fun that donald trump. >> yeah, james hohmann. always good to see you. >> thank you. >>> here's what else we're following. an historic day in u.s.-cuban relations as the american flag is raised over the embassy for the first time in half a century. we're live in havana after this. >>> also, pulled from the wreckage. an

it looks more like the obama coalition down there. >> i want to get both of your takes quick on one thing. burden of proof b bernie sanders becoming a target for donald trump. donald trump was asked about the fact that bernie sanders was essentially shouted off the stage at an event by protesters in the black lives matter movement. listen to this when donald trump was asked about it. >> yes, sir? >> would you give your microphone to a protester, like bernie sanders did? >> i would never give up my microphone. i thought that was disgusting. that showed such weakness. the way he was taken away by two young women -- the microphone, they took the whole place over. i felt badly for him. but it showed that he's weak. you know what? he's getting the biggest crowds and i'm getting the biggest crowds. we're the two getting the crowds. but believe me, that's not going to happen to trump. >> what do you make of that, nia? >> nobody's going to take a mike away from trump. this is trump as the alpha male, the biggest man on campus there. but he's sort of feeling the burn and it is interesting that the

while the vice president run and can he rally the obama coalition?house is saying today. also republicans told the line jeb bush goes to the boarder and donald trump turns up the heat. and i'll talk to jazz legend brantfort marcels. first, breaking news, an incredibly volatile day on wall street. it ended just about two hours ago with e

while the vice president run and can he rally the obama coalition? what the white house is saying today. also republicans told the line jeb bush goes to the boarder and donald trump turns up the heat. and i'll talk to jazz legend brantfort marcels. first, breaking news, an incredibly volatile day on wall street. it ended just about two hours ago with the dow jones down 588 points. that's down more than 3.5%. but what does this mean for your bank account? we'll talk with cnbc's courtney regan coming up. now we turn to politics and president obama's first day back from his summer vacation and an issue that's definitely on his mind. the 2016 election. today he had lunch with vice president biden as rumors swirl that he'll jump into the race. the white house press secretary fielded questions about who the president would support. >> how would the president deal with this if biden decides to run? you have his current vice president against his former secretary of state. >> well, there is not an insignificant if in that question and that's what everybody i

she has the obama coalition.african-american voters, that firewall of latino voters so they're very much competing for different crowds and i think they would look at a state like south carolina to see how bernie sanders would do down there. he's supposed to go down in the next couple weeks. >> maybe it doesn't matter as much as someone might think looking at new hampshire. but it would sting in you're hillary clinton. >> and especially hillary clinton is not doing as well as some people expected in iowa so if she were to lose iowa where bernie sanders has been getting good crowds and move to new hampshire it might cause a few worries and concern. >> you wrote a piece for cnn.com and asked a great question. can trump turn poll numbers into vote. i think you could ask the same question about bernie sanders. can trump turn poll numbers into votes. >> we'll see. moest pundits thought his campaign had imploded already. he's defied expectations again and again. so it's incumbent upon us to ask is donald trump for real

some of the obama coalition would say maybe we owe this gift. he is right. all of the money, infrastructure, those who rant obama-biden campaign are on team hillary. those getting in this late like trying to win the tour de france on a tricycle. if you are gentlemen biden watching trump. voters like authenticity says what he thinks, not reading the polls, telling it look it is. if you are gentlemen bidened by joe biden you are going to think longer. john nina thank you. >> thank you. >> how the primaries go courting for cash hundreds of millions from a tiny number of donors. the price of politics. the breaking news the alleged gunman who fled now in custody. late details. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait. one of the foot's favorite rituals happens at the water's edge. here, they must look their best. smooth, beautiful skin is an advantage. the others can only hide in shame. introducing the new dr. scholl's dreamwalk express pedi. ♪"once there was a hushpuppy" by dan romer and ben zeitlin ♪ is man kind? are we good? go s

now that is the obama coalition. those are the groups he put together that surprised hillary clinton in 2008. >> dickerson: bernie sanders is older, he's not that fresh, new millennial character obama was. any news for joe biden? >> he gets 14% which is better than he's ever done before i think that is probably the good news. he draws about evenly from people who would be clinton and would be sanders supporters. it's not clear how that exactly would play out. favorables are very good. there's an opportunity here. we also ask clinton supporters if they would be comfortable with the field. clarify that that would be a field without joe biden. if for some robe she had to drop out. they would like someone else. >> dickerson: let's switch over now to the republicans. the numbers there in the horse race question are donald trump at 23. ben carson at 18, scott walker and rubio and bush at six. so, trim is on top. what struck me is numbers on favability rating. >> a few ha months highest of anybody. the chris christie was in

of rape, incest, life of the mother, gay marriage, immigration, their plan is to resurrect the obama coalition of young women and minority voters that boosted him to the white house twice. those issues play particularly well with that group. they see a lot to work with here. now, that's not to say there weren't a few shadows in the sunshine and rainbows that they were seeing. rubio, they'll be paying closer attention to him. he could present a generational argument and kasich caught their attention. i think it's an open question whether he could get through the primary process on the republican side but he could -- >> a name you're not mentioning that people thought may have been the strongest republican candidate in a general election against hillary clinton is jeb bush. >> right. you know, they've been keeping a close eye on him in run-up to the debate clinton had really focused her sharp attacks for a couple days on jeb bush. he was already on their list. he remains on their list. certainly he's the best funded in the republican field and they are worried about his pull with latinos in the

solidify the effort at a third obama term which might rally some democrats, might keep some of the obama coalitionher but it's going to disaffect others. you are right, he is, if not in lock step, pretty darn close to hillary clinton on one issue after another. >> there is no debate. it's like i feel the same way. i feel the same way. i feel the same way but you have a president who clearly favors joe biden. i don't think there is any question about that bill clinton should be mad at biden he should be mad at obama he says go ahead and sends josh earnst out there to go yeah he might make an endorse; wink wink wink wink wink. >> you put your finger on the flash point here, bill. which is that the obamas and clintons have some real history. it obviously goes back to 2007-2008 when bill clinton as running around saying this is is the biggest fairy tale i have ever seen. barack obama is going nowhere, this is ridiculous. they were angry then that it was being taken away from hillary clinton. you could see -- we are not there yet, you could see a similar scenario playing out here. >> what are you doing

she's trying to rally parts of the obama coalition that were so key to his victories in 2008 and 2012. women voters and also younger voters. students. that is who she's reaching out to as she unveils her plan to lower college education. a 3$350 billion investment over ten years. secretary clinton leading here in new hampshire. but bernie sanders is nipping at her heels. he trails by just skix points. >>> now ferguson where the city remains under a state of emergency tonight. all was quiet today after the night of protest that went into the early mornings hours. though most demonstrations were peaceful, police arrested at least 23 people overnight. there was no looting, no shots fired and no property damage reported. it was the fourth night of protest commemorating the anniversary of shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. joining me is ron allen. we were just talking about it. the streets have been relatively calm today. but there were some aess. are there more protests planned for tonight? >> we think so. we're not sure. people are being a little cagey about all that. so we'll se

nobody else would which is why so many people particularly young people who were part of the obama coalitiontched. if you are going to communicate with young people in america, you have to talk to jon stewart. he became someone not so influential that the president would just go on his show summary the president will call into the oval office and talk to just as you would do with anchors of the network news. that was a voice that really mattered. probably more so in some ways than your traditional newsreader anchor because he would carry that point of view whether it was getting the 9/11 workers bill passed or -- he was beating the president of nonstop about healthcare.gov. we were very concerned jon stewart would turn people off. charlie: beyond the fact he wanted to reach his audience did anyone learn something from jon stewart? dan: the president had tremendous respect for jon stewart as an entertainer a personality, somebody who is smart. the president would say the interviews were some of the toughest he would do -- in a different way with an interview with you or others because you nev

and so when they try to build the obama coalition, they have to have a way of making up for a potential slip among african american voters. they need that to be for now white women and that looks to be a much bigger challenge for them than we might have thought. that said, we are so early in this race and no one can predict what the historic nature of her candidacy might ultimately do to the the female vote. >> she's run one of the worst campaigns i've seen. she's got everything going for her, from money to staff to professionals, and i think she's run a terrible campaign and a lot of stuff should have been taken care of months and months ago. >> rose: do you think the e-mails will come out because on somehow, somewhere they will not have been deleted? >> sure. you can't delete anything anymore. the bottom line is it's all out there. i don't worry about the ben gauzy and house committee. i would be worried about chuck grassley, chairman of the judiciary committee and he has a bone in his mouth and he's as tough a guy as any i've dealt with. >> or a criminal investigation by the departme

right now, the barack obama 2008 coalition is already splintered. let me take a look.-americans right now are for hillary clinton in a big way. the progressive liberal democrats, which have been a way to slow down establishment candidates in the past, well, they're starting to break for bernie sanders. so, biden right now can't comment on progressive whites because they're split between bernie sanders and hillary clinton and they can't count on african-americans right now because they're for hillary clinton. so, the question, and melissa harris-perry, i want to start with you, joe biden gets in. is there a way for him to excite the african-american vote, that somehow they would abandon hillary clinton? >> oh, absolutely. >> you believe that? >> sure. i think biden is great for the democratic party if he runs even if he has no shot of winning because democrats need to win in the general election is a broad group of people across the country who have become not only excited but also registered. that's what we saw in 2008. so, you need a long and hard-fought campaign in o

on the obama coalition, you have to see how well he does with latinos and african-americans.ly that hillary clinton loses a couple of states to bernie sanders. it would be weird and in some ways ahistorical if she swept the whole map. he could win new hampshire and iowa. >> i love that you called it weird. thank you so much. >> thanks. >>> black lives matter matters. the activist group is targeting hillary clinton's campaign after successfully interrupting bernie sanders' event. take a look. >> thank you, seattle, for being one of the most progressive cities in the united states of america. >> so these two young ladies are going to say what they want to. these are two members of black lives matter. this scenario did not escape donald trump's attention. >> would you give up your microphone to a protester? >> i thought that was disgusting. that showed such weakness. the way he was taken away by two young women -- the microphone. they took the whole place over. i felt badly for him. but it showed that he's weak. he's getting the biggest crowds and i'm getting the biggest crowds.

hillary clinton has really tried to expand and build on the obama coalition and she's done a lot of workrying to appeal to latino voters, african-american voters, taking a stand on black lives matter. it's going to be really interesting. she's tried raising issues on lgbt issues. she's tried to put together a particular kind of coalition, so i'm not sure if biden, even though he comes from the obama administration, if he could pivot and do the same kind of work. >> you could make the argument that hillary clinton has been hurt by having this boring primary. everyone is talking about the e-mails in part because there's nothing else to talk about. >> i think the biden buzz is another sign of the fact there is a clear path to an alternative to hillary clinton in the democratic primary. democrats like hillary clinton. they think she is totally ready to be president, but they're not excited about her candidacy. she hasn't been able to produce that excitement that maybe bernie sanders has. and democrats, remember, they didn't have an exciting 2012 election. they revoted for barack obama, but e

listen, i think that the obama coalition that got him in office, women, minorities, young people, they'reurt the most by this economy. that is who the republicans have to go after. it is ironic, right? here we are, having conversation about birthright which i think is on extremes of the immigration issue. at the same time, we have a republican field that is the most racially-diverse field in u.s. history. two hispanic, african-american, east indian. i think that the republican party needs to be careful about this argument. sure there was pent-up energy that i think the political class missed about the immigration issue, about the desire to solve immigration but there is some dangers here for them. they will need that, to pick off parts of that coalition in order to win this election. charles: that is the classic divide right now. that is what you have got going, right down the center. trying to whole politically correct approach both sides of the aisle use, some say you have to tiptoe around you don't want to hurt someone's feelings to get them to vote for you. why a lot of people believe