because while obama drones on and on with his sat words, there is no topic that these gentlemen cannot explain using phrases no more complex than "i like to eat y'all's cheesy grits." i mean, just listen to how rick santorum breaks down global warming. >> the dangers of carbon dioxide, tell that to a plant how dangerous carbon dioxide is. >> stephen: yeah, yeah. tell that to a plant. like my house plant robert here. who for some reason is supporting obama. hey, hey, hey, bobby, do you want obama taking away carbon dioxide that you need for photo synthesist? everybody knows that before industry and cars earth had no vegetation. that's why factories are called plants. okay. read a book. they're made of you. [cheering and applause] stupid. stupid plant. of course, romney also knows how to make complex subjects simple. watch him punch holes in the president's so-called energy policy. >> look at his energy policy. what is his energy policy. you can't drive a car with a windmill on it. >> that's right. >> you can't drive a car with a windmill on it. because if you put a windmill on top of yo

many of us. >> reporter: america's use of remotely piloted aircraft, or drones, has increased dramatically since president obama took office. both the military and the cia use them in combat operations and in counterterrorism missions. drones have been engaged in lethal operations in at least six countries -- afghanistan, iraq, yemen, somalia, pakistan and libya. retired lieutenant general david deptula oversaw the u.s. air force's drone program from 2006 until last year. he says remotely piloted aircraft achieve a moral good. >> the precision, the persistence, and the accuracy of remotely piloted aircraft bring to the equation actually enhance our ability to accomplish our objectives while minimizing loss of life. >> reporter: yale law school professor stephen carter, author of the book "the violence of peace," agrees that minimizing risk to u.s. troops is a worthy goal. but he says it also has moral implications that should not be ignored. >> when america has troops on the ground and people are dying as well as killing, it's on the news every day. when we're using standoff bombing, when we're using missiles t

and predator drones, both the obama administration and before him, the bush administration used predator drones to attack taliban in six counties flying drones over afghanistan and iraq over li over pastan, over somal, and yemen. critics of the dres caed the drones strategy both and st surveillance and predator illegal and unethical. war with no notice, u.s. drone missions are per se acts of war without a declaration of war by conference. sovereignty inprankment. we're flying drone in additions over so sovereignty of these nations without the permission of their government. war crimes, the number of people that have been killed by u.s. predator drones totals over 3,780 of those dead as innocent civilians that means for every three terrorist killed one innocent person is dead so the nonterrorrists are 33%. this is a think tank in london cited by the "new york times." >> they say that drone attacks are likely to become a permanent feature of american anti-terrorism policy should there be a predrone strike judicial determination on that any given individual is in an appropriate target. do y

drones. if your' still not convinced check out president obama. to talk about in a google chat about the drone program, watch. >> this is a targeted focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists who are trying to go in and harm americans, hit american facilities, american bases, and so on. for us to be able to get them in another way would involve a lot more intrusive military actions than the one we're already engaging in. >> do we use drone strikes that kill people in those countries? you bet you. in pakistan, from '40 to 12, 1778 to 2764 people killed in that time. they could neither confirm nor deny that that program exists. michael hastings from holing "soap" and buzzfrom"rolling stone" and buzz feed. when you kill civilians, the people on the ground tend to be angry with you. >> one of the things we have to point out, it's a covert program and you have secretary of defense, you have president obama talking about it, and what that does, it creates an one-sided narrative. it ensures that journalists and human rights activist

obama tripled the number of drone -- obama quintupled the number of drone strikes. would the republican candidate in office quintuple the quintuple? it is hard to criticize someone who has been quite aggressive, similarly in yemen and somalia. no one has proposed what the syrian military intervention would look like, a lease on the republican candidate side -- at least on the republican candidate side. >> [inaudible] romney, i think he has done an excellent job. [laughter] now, in fact, he has laid out a comprehensive, by far the most comprehensive approach to foreign policy. perrylawn white paper, given a big speech on the subject -- he has a very long white paper, given a big speech on the subject. as is the nature of most primary campaigns, it has not been the topic du jour. you do not get a chance to lay out your vision of foreign policy when you are debating contraception and all the other important topics they are debating. i think you'll see more. the better time to ask this question will be in the general election, because then i think there will be a discus

obama tripled the number of drone -- obama quintupled the number of drone strikes. would the republican candidate in office quintuple the quintuple? no one has proposed what the syrian military intervention would look like, a lease on the republican candidate side -- at least on the republican candidates i'd. >> as an adviser to governor romney, i think he has done an excellent job. [laughter] now, in fact, he has laid out a comprehensive, by far the most comprehensive approach to foreign policy. perrylawn white paper, given a big speech on the subject -- very long white paper, given a big speech on the subject. as is the nature of most primary campaigns, it has not been the topic du jour. you do not get a chance to lay out your vision of foreign policy when you are debating contraception and all the other important topics they are debating. the better time to ask this question will be in the general election, because then i think there will be a discussion about american foreign policy. i think there has been room for criticism of the obama administration. i know t

obama. i said if drone strikes are the lesser of two evils for war strikes in iraq or god for bid iran. nk that problem president obama is the lesser of two evils and i support him wholeheartedly. >> it's good to have progressives in the house with a lot of opinions. and it's great to get everybody's opinions. i want to bring in robin. he showed the piece from your station. the part i don't under and maybe you can sprain to me. why are the cops doing this gps thing, if it's legal p and second of all are the cops' actions legal? >> well, first of all we don't know exactly the timing of when everything went down. the supreme court made a decision at the end of january 2012 that you must get a warrant in order to have a gps tracking device. we don't know in this particular case when this device was put on because the owner of the car found it when his car was taken to the car dealership. we know that it does belong to the police department because whenwhen he went to go to his lawyer, his lawyer called the police department and they said, yes, that is our gps tracking device. they asked for

obama tripled the number of drone -- obama quintupled the number of drone strikes. would the republican candidate in office quintuple the quintuple? no one has proposed what the syrian military intervention would look like, a lease on the republican candidate side -- at least on the republican candidates i'd. >> as an adviser to governor romney, i think he has done an excellent job. [laughter] now, in fact, he has laid out a comprehensive, by far the most comprehensive approach to foreign policy. perrylawn white paper, given a big speech on the subject -- very long white paper, given a big speech on the subject. as is the nature of most primary campaigns, it has not been the topic du jour. you do not get a chance to lay out your vision of foreign policy when you are debating contraception and all the other important topics they are debating. the better time to ask this question will be in the general election, because then i think there will be a discussion about american foreign policy. i think there has been room for criticism of the obama administration. i know t

well they're going to seriously dealing with that any day you know brock obama has some most of them with a drone never mind any of those things they couldn't stop they even call the obama administration has has it this is the guy who killed osama bin ladin you're saying you're trying to implies i'm going to secure muslim number one number two there's been more doing these things i have my doubts all you did but i will say if you allow this to continue in other words pointing the blame where it doesn't belong and accepting this sort of malarkey and i would remind your viewing audience that because of this i believe something like six hundred fifty people have been the lead off and these aren't those millionaires or billionaires that you're always railing going to these people may seem surprising people from some jobs are going to have a greater got check to support their family for a day when they go on the dole watch television he very much for being with us that i do pay fines a lot some it's always a pleasure thanks from pink slime to pink balls coming up in tonight's gailey take why does rick

drones could be keeping a closer eye on you. and not the ones on by the military. and a federal law signed by president obama's paves the way for civilian drones to become more common as an shows us their coming closer to entering your personal airspace. >>> take a look of the sweeping views of a multimillion-dollar estate in los angeles california at a glance he might think you're watching in hollywood production or the opening credits for a new tv reality show. this helicopter drown is what captured the slick video. the aerial tour is used to monitor pricing listed in los angeles he bassinet every shift parts to order online. i started testing it in calibrating chance now have a line camera. he operates his camera with real controls gps answer he will fly automatically on the routes and the video shot by the strong could prove to be useful to real estate agents looking for an edge. >>> ever beloved everybody doesn't understand how was done so you tell them they noted down helicopters. it's gone over very well. it's a great perspective of how is the house. the weight the aerial robotics are taking off in the

. >> reporter: the obama administration also resisting calls for military aid to the rebels or drone strikes to stop the bloodshed by assad's forces. >> the president feels strongly that it should continue on international pressure against syria, because we think that it is-- it is having a significant impact on assad and is weakening his regime. >> and many in congress are calling for a more active u.s. roll, claiming that the obama administration is using a double standard, launching drone attacks in libya and refusing to do the same. >> kelly: thanks for the update. >> jamie: israeli war planes are hammering targets. and tpalestinian medical officials are reporting that at least 15 people and nearly 22 others, at least four of the dead are believed to be members of the popular resistance committee. militant groups have launched rockets to support israel and fired mortars inside gaza, kelly. >> kelly: the u.s. says it's considered a mega bomb against iran. and top u.s. air force general calling it the perfect weapon for penetrating an underground bunker where iran is allegedly cond

this is done obama's watch. the drones will be banned. sooner or later it will happen and i want my president to make the first call on this. host: republican caller. virginia. good morning. caller: i spent 20 years in the marine corps, and the business of us sending the poor to war. i was a death casualty officer, and on four this occasions i told people their child was dead. i come from that background. the problem that i have is that, again, we have one person said, the poor and the lower-middle class, -- 1%, the poor, the lower middle class, doing the dirty work. i am a republican. we have a presidential candidate, mr. romney, who has five sons. not one of them has joined the service. we have to get away from this business of letting the people who are looking for a jobs, looking for a trade, looking for a way out into something better for their life to do all the dirty work for us. we have these reality television shows. why do we not have a reality television show that shows what these young people are doing and what their families

drone targets. today president obama is expected to meet with pakistan's prime minister. >>> one person is dead after a fast moving fire west of denver, colorado. the flames have scorched more than 3,000 acres so far, destroyed at least five homes and more than 900 homes have been evacuated. >>> in idaho rain has helped with the snow melt faster than expected and authorities fear minor street floodings could get much worse. sandbagging operations are under way since another round of rain storms is expected to arrive later this week. >>> still ahead doug gansler joins us in studio to explain why he supports president obama's health care reform law. >>> coming up in today's hero central report, we recognize a local charity that's giving much needed food to the hungry in rural areas. we'll be back. >>> we're just a few minutes before 6:00 right now. 5:55. we have a cold morning. freeze mornings in effect till 9:00 a.m. clear skies and a little bit after windchill. feeling like it's in the mid- to upper 20s in many areas. by 9:00 still sunny. we're going to have sunshine all day. temperatures low to mid-

the obama administration is resists call for military aid or drone strikes to stop the bloodshed by al-assadforces. >> the president feelss strongly that we should continue the international pressure against syria, because we think that it is having a significant impact on al-assad and is weakening his regime and that is the way to go. >> the un says more than 7500 people have died in syria since the pro-denying protest began nealy a year ago. >>> one of the world's most famous comic artists died today in paris. he contributed to numerous science fiction films. in the united states he is most famous for his work on the "silver surf ore. . >>> a founding member of the beloved comied strop theater has died. >> bergman with three friends created fireside and were a cult favorite, especially among college students. >>> people who order the new ipad on-line will have to wait a bit while apple is delivering delivery by several days. >>> a party at the famous gold dust lounge in san francisco and why bar managers say they are staying put, at least for now. [ beep ] you have one new message. [ mom ]

something that started with the bush administration continued on with the obama administration is a common. some are tactics of drone strikes and they all sounded a lot of all the above beginning with the russian invasion in seventy nine eighty and all up to the president in our neglect in between the into the russian occupation of afghanistan and the mujahideen that we supported against the russians and what's happened in the terms of that neglect that led to bin laden and then led to our occupation of the country this is this is a study in how to fail from the beginning of the russian invasion all the way up to where we are now if you don't have the principal players in afghanistan come to some india and pakistan come to some kind of understanding that instability in afghanistan serves neither of their purposes and feed that consensus with china with turkey with iran alternately with the united states alternately with russia and the stance then you've got no way of bringing a reasonable degree of stability to afghanistan if that takes really explicit diplomacy and a lot of work and i simply don't see that work eve

okay, so obama quinn tripled the number of drone strikes. should a republican candidate in office should they have quinn tripled the quinn tripled? i think it's very hard to criticize someone has been quite aggressive. similar in somalia and libya. there might be some debate about syria. [inaudible] >> well, as advisor to governor romney i think it is an excellent job. [laughter] know, look, first of all he has in he has, in fact, laid out a very comprehensive, by far the most comprehensive approach to foreign policy in a very long white paper. is given a big speech on the subject. but as is normal in the nature of most primary campaigns, it just hasn't been the topic does you were. and you don't get a chance to let out the grand vision of american foreign policy when you're debating contraception and you know, all the other important topics that you're debating. so i think you'll see more. a better time to ask this question will be in the general election. because then i think it would be a discussion about american foreign policy. i think

grassley asked at a recent speech for the full legal memo the obama administration used to justify killing anwar all glossy and that drone strike in yemen without any due process and i'm happy to know that senator grassley also about the attorney general speech the other week to be complete b.s. and this is what he said he said if the attorney general's going to justify targeted killings based on robust congressional oversight he needs to call us through make these documents available to congress not just give us the cliff notes in a speech to law students and personally i couldn't agree more example the two senators ron wyden them argued all written letters to attorney general eric holder once again expressing their concern over secret interpretation of a portion of the patriot act that they warned about last year that they warned would make american stunned to see how this is ministration is carrying it out now they're not going down without a fight either and this time they even said that this operation is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained executive branch officials main

drone, not the cannon. or, maybe, president obama will, say he should be killed, i don't. but, certainly ... certainly --.st: did you have a drink before you came on the show? >>randy: this is natural. i don't drink. >>shepard: i say the computer is broken and a niece comes over and says "it's mine," and then "yes, it is broken." much more on the situation in afghanistan, the unbelievable situation in afghanistan tensions were already high and now we are in a whole new place as the soldier stands accused of murdering men and women and children and some say the violent act is a potential turning point in the mission there. but, is it? we will hear what the white house is saying about that. we are approaching the bottom of the hour and the top of the news. [ dad ] i'm usually checking up on my kids, but last year my daughter was checking up on me. i wasn't eating well. she's a dietitian, and she suggested i try boost complete nutritional drink to help get the nutrition i was missing. now i drink it every day and i love the great taste. [ female announcer ] boost has essential vitamins and minerals, includin

. >> the obama administration also resisting calls for military aid to the rebels or drone strikes tothe bloodhead by assad's forces. >> the president feels strongly that we should continue the international pressure against syria because we think that it is having a significant impact on assad and is weakening his regime and that that is the way to go. >> many in congress are calling for a more active u.s. role claiming that the obama administration is using some what of a double standard here, launching drone attacks and military assistance in libya while so far refusing to do the same in syria. doug, thanks very much. >> sure thing. >>> the controversy over monitoring muslims in new york city is spilling across the river into new jersey. the head of the newark police department insists that it was not working with new york on surveillance in his city. all started with news that the nypd program to keep an eye on american muslims and now muslim groups are demanding a closer look. anna live in the new york city newsroom with more. hi, anna. >> groups representing over 65 muslim organ

the operative was killed in a drone attack five months ago. in recent months the obamainistration has debated how much to reveal it the killing. holder is expected to address the case in a speech at northwestern university. >>> a funeral is scheduled for tomorrow to remember a teenager killed in ohio's school shooting. 16-year-old demetrius hewlin spent his younger years in the d.c. area. he was one of three students killed at chardon high school near cleveland last week. his father says his son was a straight-a student who loved computers and sports. mr. hewlin urge all parents to treasure their time with their children. >> when your child leaves out to go to school, tell them that you love them. before they go to bed, tell them that you love them. because you never know what tomorrow promises. >> hewlin would have turned 17 on thursday. his funeral will be tomorrow. >>> a tech web site is claiming to have a pretty good idea of what the newest version of apple's ipad will look like. the site micgadget claims the new ipad will be a little thicker than the last ipad, but

obama so vice president biden would receive the presidency. he called him unprepared. the documents also revealed bin laden was worried about the follow cia drones were taking on al-qaeda and he realized his brutal tactics were alienating muslims. the obama administration said the attack plot was not a serious threat. >>> after george clooney walked the walk yesterday he was arrested protesting in front of the sudanese embassy in washington d.c.. he and his farther were among 17 people taken into custody. police pulled out the handcuffs after they refused to disburse. he has traveled to sudan several times and is trying to get support to stop the government there from slaughtering their citizens. >> we need humanitarian aid allowed into the sudan before it becomes the worst humanitarian crisis in the world needly. >> he paid a $100 fine and joked about it afterwards. also he testified before congress earlier this week about sudan and attended a state dinner with president obama. >> all eyes were on weather yesterday and going into this weekend. >> yeah, it was quite a doozy last night. the front has moved on through. the rain is out of here. we

obama administration feels justified. civil liberties activists entered the debate five months ago when a u.s. drone strike killed american board cleric on waanwar all lucky who plotted terrorist attacks from yemen the defense department has already said that americans to become terrorists and take up arms against the united states are legitimate targets. >>it weekend car accident damaged and oil pipeline and could send chicagos gasoline prices even higher aaa said our gas prices are averaging $4.30 a gallon of more than 40¢ from one month ago to motorists were killed in the crash at the end bridge pipeline in new lenox it's been shut down since saturday's accident the company says it expects to resume the flow of oil by the end of this week >>randi belisomo joins us with a story about how scofflaw money will go for the good ... the debt the city is now collecting comes from income tax returns the mayor made the announcement on south drexel at harris park there will be close to $8 million in this fund thanks to an ordinance and legislation that's recent allowing the city to deduct the scofflaw money

now and again since senator obama can't became president obama we have seen more than a three hundred percent increase in terms of the use of drones and not just talking about afghanistan i'm talking about pakistan i'm talking about yemen any yemen in particular the incur. it's dramatic in the last really two years but we've also seen them in other places like somalia so we're seeing this massive increase i think what happens is that we've decided is it's easy it's nice and simple if we just simply send out a demand list aircraft and just push a button no thoughts no muss nice of the using but the problem is when you make decisions like that there are quote unquote nice and easy i think we don't think too deeply about the ramifications of things go wrong and things have gone wrong again and again and again just go on the ground in afghanistan just go on the ground in pakistan and look at the numbers of people who have been killed by these drone attacks who are absolutely innocents oh i want to get that again in a moment because there are some statistics out there from the that's a good journalism but really quick before we move on

obama "america's most feckless president since jimmy carter." >> that is it preposterous and ought to know that. what is feckless about going agait al qaedada, the drone strikes? >> charles in hi column talks about the fact thate have agreed to go into talks with the iranians i, like charles they probay just stalling. when all of your allies want to do it, you have a tight timeline.. you stilll have thee sanctions and the sanctions are really hurtg them. they may not stop the nuclclear effort, but ey are really hurtrting them. i think you really do have to contemplate the notion that this country at some point probably is going to get a nuclear bomb. a former chief f of the israeli intelligence says that iran is a rational actor. >> i saw the interview. he said it it is irrational act, bubut noin the way that -- the west bank -- a rational actor, but not in the wathat the west thihinks of rationaty. the question is w what was raised by colby. th question at stake in the nenegotiations between obama and bibibi are not the american strike or america starting award. th is not what isis involved here. no one is expecting it, no one is asking. the question

forced to justify the obama administration's so-called targeted kill program using deadly force against american terrorists overseas after u.s. born al-qaida cleric was killed by a u.s. droney the aclu. the civil rights group demanding the justice department explain its legal grounds for targeting american terror suspects. today, attorney general holder will give a speech addressing the aclu's concerns, they say american jihadists should be captured and tried in court. >> let them do it. >> volcanoes erupting around the world. check out mount aetna in italy. the giant ash cloud has airport officials on the lookout. it hasn't impacted any flights at the nearby airports. remember what happened last time. much more disasterous turn on events in hawaii. lava is spilling from those mountains there. that volcano destroyed an entire neighborhood and the last home burned to the ground within an hour. its home owner fleeing. got out in time. that volcano has been erupting since 1983 but recently became more active. >> after being lost for 53 days in the desert, a dog named dooley reunited with its family. it bolted from scene of a crash when its owner was seriously hurt. they picke

obama "america's most feckless president since jimmy carter." >> that is preposterous, and he ought to know that. what is feckless about going against al qaeda, the drone strikes? >> charles in his column talks about the fact that we have gone into talks with the iranians, and i, like charles, think they are probably just stalling. but when all of your allies want to do it, you have a tight timeline. you still have the sanctions, and the sanctions are really hurting them. they may not stop the nuclear effort, but they are really hurting them. i think you have to contemplate the notion that this country at some point probably is going to get a nuclear bomb. >> a former chief of the israeli intelligence says that iran is a rational actor. >> yes, i saw the interview. he said it is are rational actor, but not in the way that the west thinks of irrationality. within its the logical ideology, it is rational, it looks after its own interest . the question is what was raised by colby. the question at stake in the negotiations between obama and bibi are not about america striking or starting a war. no one is expecting it, no one is asking for it. the question

obama "america's most feckless president since jimmy carter." >> that is preposterous, and he ought to know that. what is feckless about going after al qaeda, the calls for drone strikes in afghanistan? >> you know, charles in his thatmn talks about the fact i we are doing talks with iranians, and i, like charles, think they are probably just stalling. what you do is have a very tight timeline. it was still at the sanctions, and the sanctions are really hurting. they not stop in a clear effort, but they are hurting -- they may not stop the nuclear effort, but they are hurting. at this point the country will probably get a nuclear bomb. the chief of u.s. intelligence says that iran -- chairman of the joint chiefs says that iran is a national acto -- rational actor. >> within its theological ideology, it is rational, it looks after its own interests. i don't think it is moot one way or the other. the question that was raised by colby -- the question at stake in the negotiations between obama and bibi are not between america striking and starting a war. no one is expecting it, no one is asking. the question is, can israel, a feeling it's of being enclosed, feelin

what obama did through special ops, through drone attacks, was blast it apart.troops to do that, as joe biden advised him. all you needed was a special ops war. i wrote this in "the new yorker" in november of 2001. that this was going to be a special ops war. it's been insane ever since. >> and the reality, gene robinson, is that we do have these drones. that have scattered al qaeda and of course the drones are following them into somalia and yemen and following them into countries. i mean, it's an entirely new set of facts on the ground that do not require 100,000 u.s. troops. >> no. they don't. and we need to rethink how we fight these wars. you know, the answer is not to, you know, load up the huge transport planes and send a bunch of heavy equipment halfway around the world anymore. but as everybody has said, though, we have to be mindful of the relationship with pakistan. my question is, how does it help our future relationship with pakistan or dealing with pakistan when in fact we are essentially at war with them because that's where the taliban is hiding?

well president obama set to meet with pakistan's prime minister today as tension flies high between the two countries pakistan growing frustrated over the u.s. using drones in the country the cia's drone program aims to target al qaeda within pakistan but in many cases and it up in civilian deaths in hopes of continuing its drone program the u.s. has tried to negotiate with pakistan offering to give it bans notice before strikes and limit where they will target but pakistan flat out rejected the proposal to talk about what this means for u.s. pakistani ty scott horton contributing editor for harper's magazine joins us now welcome to the show so do you expect any progress to come out of this meeting today . well we're never going to know from the public remarks and in fact i'm not even sure that they are of a particularly accurate characterization of what's going on in the background and we're dealing here with one of the most complex love hate relationship in the world today and another big problems is frankly the prime minister and his government and president zardari their control over the actual apparatus of government in pakistan is relatively weak y

drone attack killed u.s. born al qaeda leader in yemen. since then several lawsuits have been filed against the obama administration.ng for justification of his death. >>> and benjamin israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu at the white house, he is expected to dominate their discussions, allison? >> reporter: that is right, he has made clear after a powerful pro israeli lobbying group he wants to be sure he has a strong commitment to the country. >> during this season you will hear some questions regarding my administration support for israel and remember it is not backed up by the facts. >> reporter: benjamin netanyahu has warned him and president barack obama is not openly supporting the idea and more on why president barack obama says talk of war only benefits iran during my next update in about an hour. for now allison burns ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> in russia, a huge demonstration will protest what opponents call election fraud in vladimir puntin's parliamentary election. results show he won 6 5% of the vote. that will be vladimir putin's third time and in between he served as prime minister. they re

aircraft as well as unmanned drones also an official review conducted in now these are just a few of the details of an agreement announced back in november by president obama and the australian prime minister here's president obama speaking or not is that there are no better friends there the united states and australia or darkest moments. what are called the independent institute island islands those are island i've been left kind of cut straight to the chase here this is about china right. ideal location for both manned surveillance plan planes and unmanned drones what do you foresee that this will look like if this is indeed the next sort of future in diego garcia well i think it could be done in stages you don't use learner runways for drones and that sort of thing you do for if you were to put like fifty two heavy bombers like we have in diego garcia or other bombers that we have there and so i think you know this could be ramped up over time they. seem to think this has been thoroughly discussed they were kind of caught unawares by this would certainly at the lower levels is being discussed and it could be a plan for the future is a part of this simp