. >> let's move to president-elect obama neves to get it in place of the transition a key point and how you transition from campaigning? speak about that. >> people that have been working for year-old it is almost nothing but for those with long periods of time. in then to get to the polls working on policy issues but all the people working for you they'd think they should have a place. in you certainly have had experience. and it becomes difficult but it is important tour due -- to do. the campaign people are important to have because they reminded president why he is there. they know what the provinces were. but you have to balance that out with people who know the president well and how is he like information and how do decisions need to be made? with foreign policy national secure a and particularly now because it takes so long >> there is in national gravitation and to the white house itself and the white house has certain rhythms to it some two have that knowledge in the white house. for example, the bush administration andrew card worked as secretary to new that. and then a knowl