rupert murdoch are going to keep us all safe from other immigrants. >> john: i hear them accusing obama of amnesty you don't like amnesty don't you have to throw out your ronald reagan love doll because he gave real amnesty, not obama. >> let us remember that cubans get automatic amnesty for just arriving on our shores. so again, marco rubio is not actually the best person to do that. >> john: the asylum kind. that's the sacred loophole. is it a good sign that fox and rush are acknowledging they are not just propaganda, they're a legitimate wing of the republican party. >> it is one of those things that everyone knew so much anyway. it is like when lance armstrong comes out. i cheated. we know. we've known for awhile. but like no one's gone to -- >> a neutral view on this issue. >> george michael's gay? >> i think the g.o.p. is a functioning wing of fox news, you know. the tail is wag the rabid elderly, overweight dog. >> john: david krum came out and said fox news has gone from being a part of the republican party to running the republican party. and doesn't that hurt them? doesn't the does not o

talking about it for over a decade or is so we have an example of this ronald reagan declared actually an amnesty you know a word that president obama will not even go near for was a five or six million people one thousand of them they didn't call that program amnesty but the reality is that it involved people paying a fine coming forward having to be vetted going through criminal background checks that's what americans want to so many want that it was the my recollection is that the eighty's were relatively boom years it doesn't seem like the debacle of david as prophesied and it came about as a consequence of those people becoming their way to minnesota and i get a word in here. sure. as i do very much by the way and i hope i was not rude there you were you know we have we have some very serious problems and what this woman is saying sounds really good on its face but we have to address the issues now if these individuals want to come forward now with a second you're not speaking to my question so therefore it was about to answer. you yourself have been talking have talked very often about how good the economy was during ronald re

of illegal immigrants could be the first major action in president obama's second term. darren gersh reports. >> reporter: the senators-- four republicans and four democrats-- argue we have already granted a kind of amnesty to the 11 million undocumented workers who live in the shadows of american society. >> we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawns, serve our food, clean our homes, and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> reporter: the "framework" the senators released today calls for tighter enforcement at the border and of existing immigration laws in return for granting immediate legal status for the 11 million undocumented workers now in the country. in the future, the number of new immigrants would be tied to the availability of jobs. >> we are going to enshrine in here the principle that americans get the first grab at it. americans get the first opportunity and that's the way it should be. >> reporter: critics say they've heard this all before. the federation for american immigration reform blasted the bipartisan proposals, saying "it is legislation that provides amnesty to millions of illegal al

of illegal immigrants could be the first major action in president obama's second term. darren gersh reports. >> reporter: the senators-- four republicans and four democrats-- argue we have already granted a kind of amnesty to the 11 million undocumented workers who live in the shadows of american society. >> we have been too content for too long to allow individuals to mow our lawns, serve our food, clean our homes, and even watch our children while not affording them any of the benefits that make our country so great. >> reporter: the "framework" the senators released today calls for tighter enforcement at the border and of existing immigration laws in return for granting immediate legal status for the 11 million undocumented workers now in the country. in the future, the number of new immigrants would be tied to the availability of jobs. >> we are going to enshrine in here the principle that americans get the first grab at it. americans get the first opportunity and that's the way it should be. >> reporter: critics say they've heard this all before. the federation for american immigration reform blasted the bipartisan proposals, saying "it is legislation that provides amnesty to millions of illegal al

. >> obama's already given us de facto amnesty anyway. he did it with the children ofvicted of a major felony. i don't know that there's any stopping this. it is up to me and fox news and fox news is not that invested in this. >> stephanie: then he denied the next day that he said that. >> we just played it. >> i never said that. it wasn't me. >> stephanie: he said to senator rubio, he feared he was being exploited to advance democratic goals. you latinos are such dummies. what have i said? yeah. rubio said i'm not going to be part of a bidding war to see who can put the most lenient path forward if obama demands a smoother path to citizenship. let's make it as hard and as egregious as possible. wouldn't that work better? he questioned the political utility of a deal. not the part that involves human beings or anything. saying he reviews colorful research my friends indicating immigrants no longer came to better their lot through hard work but because they believed the government's source of prosperity. in short, they were not viable republicans. they were just moocher

obama is expected to issue few if any ultimatums in las vegas. eight sfenators, four from each party unveiled their step toward an agreement. conservatives aren't happy with it rerks jekting it as a form of amnesty. lawmakers are said to be working on a plan of their own. white house correspondent brianna keilar is looking at it. >> reporter: in 2011 president obama went to the border town of el paso to press for comprehensive immigration reform. >> out of many, one. we define ourselves as a nation of immigrants. >> reporter: that went nowhere. now in a second term, the president is trying it again, heading to las vegas today to push for border security, a verification system for workers and punishment if they don't and the most significant and controversial part of the president's plan, a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. it includes registering with the government, undergoing background check, paying taxes and a penalty, and learning english. a solution has alluded past presidents including george w. bush. >> legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the american people, and congress's failure to act on it is a disappointment. >> president obama did announce during his

of president obama's plan. some in the g.o.p. say this sounds like a blanket amnesty. >> i was also encouraged that speaker boehner said we have to have a comprehensive immigration reform passed with 11 million people living in the shadows of america. many of them have been here for over 10 years. a precondition, that is to secure the borders. our borders are more secure but in arizona, that border is a major drug trafficking route for the drug cartels bringing drugs into the united states so we have to use lot of high-tech and drones and get the border securee that must be done. then we have to move on with this issue. >> senator, an hour ago, senator schumer and yourself talked about what you need do to get this pointed and you say securing the border isber one. is that realistic? we have been trying to do it for 150 or 200 years. >>guest: with the advent of high-tech eqqipment such as drones, we are perfy capable of it. a big problem on southwest border it is so unbearably hot in the summer it isery difficclt for our men and women to perform efficiently we will hav

. >> the obama white house will introduce a major piece of reform legislation on immigration. the problem is that it almost that's deal with what is sometimed called amnesty, legalizing people who are already in this country illegally. that is highly controversial, not just for republicans. >> there is much to do for president obama. and the countdown is on. he has just four more years in was to seal his legacy. >> just about 700,000 people turned out to ring in obama's new term, way down compared to the 1.8 million to turn out four years ago. >> clearly the excitement does not compare to the first term. what about here in europe. we asked people and politicians what they hoped to see from obama part 2. >> it is great he was reelected. he had four years and he has four more. it is a big opportunity. i think obama can now push the things that he wants to. things that are important to him. >> the u.s. is important to the global economy, so it is crucial that it manages to overcome the debt crisis. the main issue he needs to address is the budget. he needs to to find a solution. otherwise the u.s. could soon end up like greece. >> if you look at how high emi

. >> the obama white house will introduce a major piece of reform legislation on immigration. the problem is that it almost that's deal with what is sometimed called amnesty, legalizing people who are already in this country illegally. that is highly controversial, not just for republicans. >> there is much to do for president obama. and the countdown is on. he has just four more years in was to seal his legacy. >> just about 700,000 people turned out to ring in obama's new term, way down compared to the 1.8 million to turn out four years ago. >> clearly the excitement does not compare to the first term. what about here in europe. we asked people and politicians what they hoped to see from obama part 2. >> it is great he was reelected. he had four years and he has four more. it is a big opportunity. i think obama can now push the things that he wants to. things that are important to him. >> the u.s. is important to the global economy, so it is crucial that it manages to overcome the debt crisis. the main issue he needs to address is the budget. he needs to to find a solution. otherwise the u.s. could soon end up like greece. >> if you look at how high emi

only conservatives are calling it amnesty, interestingly enough, senator marco rubio a couple of days ago came out with his own plan, advancing, preempting president obama. and he's gotten great reviews from some of the most conservative members of the base and the conservative influentials. in fact, he's also gotten good reviews from the white house. when was the last time you saw that happen? >> i know. >> so, you know, we're in a pretty good place. it's got to be comprehensive because in a comprehensive plan, there is something everybody can find. there's at least one thing everybody can find to love and at least one thing everybody can find to hate. >> ana navarro -- >> that's going to be sticks and carrots. >> that's politics for you, right? consensus emerging in washington, immigration reform. why is a money show talking about immigration? because it's about jobs, growing an economy and getting a broken immigration system out of our way and immigration system for the 21st century. ron brownstein, ana navarro, thank you. >> thank you. >>> america thought it had fixed a broken immigration system before, giving people a pathway to citizenship. >> fut

op-ed, for example, which senator rubio and will be a part of this bipartisan group says we have a defacto amnesty. my hope is president obama will use the voice and influence to further this approach. however, if what he offers is a process for the undocumented that is more lenient and faster and unfair it won't bode well for reform. so senator rubio taking a critical stance of the president without the president actually laying out a plan and we know and you talk to folks on the radio all day, when you mention the word amnesty that is one of those fire words that is going to get a certain portion of this country pretty angry. >> it's true. it's in a category with guns and global warming and -- >> it is a loaded word, it is loaded. >> you got it. listen. the stakes are high for senator rubio because the consensus is he has his eye on 2016 or 2020 and to play a role on a group like this, with senator mccain, is fraught with some peril. i like the fact they're both involved. i like the fact that proceeding the president, you have a bipartisan approach compared to the president coming forth and saying here's my plan and only s

amnesty for those who've broken the law. but in this city of immigrants, chicagoans gathered to hear obama's speech. wgn's julian crews was with them to listen to what the president had to say. they are the faces of chicago's immigrant community, people of all colors and backgrounds from many parts of the world listening carefully to the president's words. "we saw a very brave president of the united states." there's broad agreement with obama's view on immigraton here at casa michoacan, a non-profit cultural orgnaization in chicago's pilsen neighborhood, a community that's long been a refuge to newcomers. at the nearby mujeres latinas en accion organization which means, "latin women in action," there's cautious optimism that the tide has turned when it comes to immigration reform. we have been very hopeful. soon after the election it was clear where the latino community stood and what was important for the latino community. we are hopeful this is moving forward for so many reasons, others argue, the time for change is here. "it's morally right. economically sound and politically smart." for lawrenc

president obama won more than 70% of the latino vote, prompting some republicans to change on immigration. they want to make sure that path doesn't amount to amnesty. reporting live on capitol hill, i'm danielle lee, news4. >>> thanks, danielle. >>> two sisters who live in maryland, one undocumented, the other a uss citizen, are afraid deportation will tear their family apart. their story comes up in about 15 minutes. >>> roads were icy this morning, and then it started to warm up a little during rush hour. most of our hours saw some ice, sleet and freezing rain. the winter weather caused many school systems to start late. let's get the latest for tonight's weather. with veronica jansen. it's nice to say we won't have any icy issues tonight or tomorrow morning. we have conditions overcast and still rain showers coming through the area. you can see the line breaking up. to the north we have shower tiismt. league burg, too right around 50, some light showers, down to the south moving out of our area. so under an overcast sky, what we will have to deal with are areas of patchy fog, not just tonight, but even tomorrow morning, even be 9:00, 10:00 p.m.

big amnesty program with no prospect of meanful immigration enforcement in the future -- [overlapping dialogue] -- >> jamie: hold on. >> everything the administration has done, everything the obamainistration has done and people like senator durbin have done for four years has undermined any pressure for legislative action and policy, when we have talked about piecemeal reforms like marco rubio and an e-verify bill to get the americans the jobs that are available. the president opposed that. a stem package for high-tech visas -- not that we supported that -- but the president says, that's so popular, we want to attach an unpopular massive amnesty program -- in exchange for anything that is needed. >> jamie: let me have you weigh in here, francisco. have you a deal citizenship -- >> why is that so surprising -- [overlapping dialogue] >> conflict of interest. >> jamie: you have a different perspective than having lived in both countries and making your living here in this country. tell me, as someone who came to this country and made your life here, what you think the solution is and where is the money going to come from, given everything else that we have to spend in this nation?

of the line. >> bill: okay, but the kennedy/mccain bill is ancient history. we are talking a new vision now obama never said. >> bill: could be amnesty. >> obama never said that working assumption would be we would be something like we had before and they would work from that. >> bill: kirsten, do you object to anything the senator said? anything that he put forth in the guns or the immigration? is there anything n. there that he is doing wrong? >> i think on immigration, it's a starting point and i think that the democrats can work with him. i personally, you know i'm pro-amnesty, of course, i'm going to have issues with what he said. i don't know why do people have to pay fines. >> bill: because they snuck in the country? >> that's ridiculous. i have friends who are of my generation whose parents are immigrants korean, chinese, italian who don't speak any english. why are we doing this? >> bill: get a translator to tell them they have to pay the fine. we can do that. >> i think they should good it know english why have different standards for these people. >> bill: amnesty do whatever they want citizenship with no penalties or anyt

amnesty. what senator rubio has proposed is similar to what president bush put forward in 2007 when senator barack obama voted against it. he voted against hit because ofabor unions. labor unions didn't like the legislation. you said it correct. proceed, negotiate, negotiate with caution, but there is another phrase we have to be careful about and this is pathway to citizenship. if we don't already have pathways to citizenship, we do. we have a pathway to citizenship now. the problem is the entire system is broken. my grandfather came and got citizenship through the pathway. that pathway was through ellis island and took 14 years to be a naturalized citizen. what senator rubio has put on the table is great start. president obama's plan is not senator's rubio's plan. >> sean: senator rubio, he has been clear about this, we don't control the border. we're going back here five or ten years. he says that is deal breaker for him. right now president obama doesn't enforce the laws now. to force arizona to come up with their own law that mirrored the federal law. are you with senator rubio -- if they don't control the border first and we don't solve the probl

amnesty part of it. there's real concern i'm hearing from progressives, we don't want the border to go through and none of the other. >> and president obama himself, who believes those are too strenuous. >> if the "wall street journal" opinion page is any indication, they're saying this morning this is a promising senate framework and it ought to be looked at very seriously. >> it will be interesting to see what the president says about another aspect of immigration, critical, when you think about it, a lot of people don't think about it. the guest worker aspect. come into this country, work for a period of time and stay illegally. if they go back home, they can't come back in. dealing with that is a critical component. >> that's a part of it. this economy cannot function without people to do the jobs americans won't do. >> quickly, with that said, we would be fooling ourselves this morning if we didn't look at this immigration debate and understand there might not be a tinge of the gun debate involved where you have people in new york and people in washington and people at the networks and national newspapers all supporting this and even

of state. >>> as president obama gives his full support to an overhaul of u.s. immigration laws, we're going to hear from a sharp critic of comprehensive immigration reform. he said that effort amounts to amnes amnestyants. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. >>> president obama's giving his full support to a bipartisan effort by u.s. senators to reform u.s. immigration law as the president says now is the time to replace the system he describes as out of date and badly broken. >> we have to deal with the 11 million individuals who are here illegally. we all agree that these men and women should have to earn their way to citizenship. but for comprehensive immigration reform to work, it must be clear from the outset that there is a pathway to citizenship. >> joining us is congressman lou barletta, republican from pennsylvania. he's long favored cracking down on illegal immigrants. congressman, thanks very much for coming in. >> thanks, wolf. good to talk with you. >> what's wrong with the bipartisan proposals put forward in the senate? marco rubio has been working with democrats, john mccain, lindsey graham. they ar

obama stood for in our country in 2008. >> how do you respond to the critics? "time" magazine quoted about the film, human rights defenders suffer harassment, prison conditions provoking hunger rights and of course amnestyinternational reporting on venezuela that, you know, these are the kinds of things that they are seeing and that there's widespread, you know, corruption in the government as well. >> there is corruption, and there's corruption in every government i've been to in south america and central america. i've traveled through the whole region and been involved in many projects and i have to say that, you know, this is vague, scandalous, blurry stuff they throw out at venezuela when you compare it to what the united states has done in chile and argentina, brazil in the past and what we did recently in honduras. i mean, there's no comparison. colombia. you go around the region, and you have a -- you know, the united states has an interest in and has made venezuela it's regional enemy in south america and tried to get rid of them. was involved peripherally in the coup of 2004, and it's been -- the reporting in this country, and that's why we made the documentary, has been shoddy. it doesn't beho

my experience of president obama is whatever our position is, he would like to push us beyond what is acceptable. i will be curious to see -- for example if he wants immediate amnestyy without english as a language, the answer is no. there a number of steps in between and i want to wait and see. i would like to see the president's plan. he promised in 2008. i would like to see the president's plan. >> do you think republicans need to moderate the position on some other social issues, for example, gay marriage? >> we have to confront the reality with nine states that have legalized something which i don't personally believe is marriage. i think it's a legal contract. i think as a matter of religious belief, it's not marriage. most americans say. >> various christian denominations do. >> some accept that, but this is an issue that will continue to evolve and be talked about. one of the key questions is how do you defend religious liberty and the right to have your beliefs without the state imposing them. >> on the social issues or substantive issues like gay marriage or if you talk about guns, for example. in terms of the popularity, the country does want strong acti

the vocabulary of this debate, detoxify the term amnesty which has allowed talk radio, conservatives to dismiss almost any move on immigration. he's saying what we have under president obamawhat we currently have is amnesty. republicans are going to try and change it. he's trying to take the power away from that word. >> all right. we'll see what happens. i saw the other day -- if anybody has an explanation, let me know -- jeb bush, they had approvals/disapprovals, it was that story on hillary and how her approval rating was so high. jeb bush was upside down by ten points. >> it's only his last name. >> maybe they thought it was george. >> that last name. what should he change it to stein? >> how did you come up with that? >>> new orleans enters a brave new era. the hornets are out and the pelicans -- the pelicans are in. that's coming up next in sports. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's ea

of people in the 1986 reform gave so-called amnesty but it did not enforce sanctions. host: on our line for democrats, john, new york. caller: i am not trying to change the barack obamalth care reform package. he failed to put the grandfather clause with that. i have a copyright here. limits applicants to people who are new to the system. people between the ages of 18 to 21 or allowed to retain the right to drink alcohol -- host: john, we will leverage there. there.e ir right right guest: that is a question and of, are house republicans going to bring a full repeal? obviously, it is going nowhere. a year from now, the bulk of the provisions are going to go into effect. that is going to play a huge role in the 2014 elections. host: elaine, republican caller, arkansas. caller: i do not know too much about the laws and everything going on. but i was wondering why when the family makes a budget of their house, they start with cutting spending. so why can they do that up there? i know people myself who draw food stamps, guys who can work and cannot work and have been dry food stamps and welfare all their lives. -- drawing food stamps and welfare all their lives. then they

obama is deciding. instead of doing anything that anybody doesn't agree with. >> alisyn: thank you, father jonathan. and next on the president's immigration reform, and does that mean amnestyull swing. oscar snubs and surprises, both coming up. ♪ ♪ so, we all set? i've got two tickets to paradise! pack your bags, we'll leave tonight. uhh, it's next month, actually... eddie continues singing: to tickets to... paradiiiiiise! no four. remember? whoooa whooaa whooo! you know ronny, folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. and how happy are they jimmy? happier than eddie money running a travel agency. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. >> awards season is in full swing with the golden globes set to take place tonight. all abuzz about the oscar nominations and snubs and surprises this week. >> mike: joining us for the oscar roundup. kevin mccarthy, this was a bad year for nominees, and first i thought of was ben affleck in argo. >> the worst decision i've he seen from the academy since 1999 when they gave "shakespeare in love" best picture over "saving private ryan." ben affleck has one of the best films,

of the latino vote. who was the president who gave amnesty to all undocumented worker in the country? >> oh yeah, ronald reagan. >> that would be reagan. >> what was i smoking? >> john: look at barack obamarcing the laws a lot more than republicans ever did and that's why he won. we'll be back for the final minutes of "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: finally, talk radio you can dance to. it's "the stephanie miller show." party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. he was born to american royalty but couldn't escape the family curse. of all the hours in all his days, these are the ones you'll never forget. >> stephanie miller. ♪ she's got the power ♪ >> bringing back the early '90s. >> john: what's wrong with "i've got the power." >> snap! >> john: this song was used in the fisher king. >> wow. >> do you want to feel really old? >> who doesn't. >> the challenger disaster happened 27 years ago today. >> john: indeed. as a kid watching it -- >> where were you? >> i was a

obama is making or was it there all along. >> i'm confused as to which ronald reagan we are talking about. ronald reagan was the guy who gave amnesty to millions ofted the brady gun violence bill. so there is is that ronald reagan. then there is the ronald reagan sort of fictional ronald reagan that republicans seem to like invoke to pretend that their party has been this sort of extremist right wing party all along they forget that part of the legacy. i don't think there is a lot of things the president has done big departure for reagan. party moved away from legacy. >> stephan you were laughing. >> i don't think so. if sally would like to. i wish we could broker some kind of a compromise where we bring ronald reagan back and replace barack obama. i would be happy with that trade. is i suspect sally wouldn't. sustaining conservative president for the better time of eight years. times where he compromised and tried to get things through a democratic i can congress. he didn't do everything he wanted. by and large president reagan was conservative guy. if you remember his second inaugural. he made a call for a freeze at the time he made that argume