redline. we saw what that meant in syria when obama declared a redline. i'm not sure how much they help in politics. before, the troubling the toolsor europe, to intervene in turkey, to put pressure on the turkish government are very little. they are in a position where they can only watch. theeas: i agree and i think talk about red lines in this conflict is naive. redline and then what? what would you propose the west do? he finds himself in a difficult neighborhood. what is he trying to do? i find it shortsighted. i think he is driven more by psychology than strategic thinking. where is he trying to take turkey? i think he would like to bececoe the suntoman leader of ni world. but he is picking fights with everyone. to become the powerful person he wants to be, he has to find a lie somewhere. -- allies somewhere. that.not doing i see there is a limit to his ambition at some point. host: turkey very isolated, lost a lot of friends. have any dialogue with any other leader other than merkel. host: that is the ironic point. alternative?s the if you defineap

the end of the day could be a cure for a serious disease, so what is that redline and not the obama redline. >> the lying i drop personally, i have no problem with gene therapy, the kind that restores the way a person is-- was. and they are doing a lot of work on to my analysis and all of this stuff about the genome of the cancer as opposed to the genome of the person and then if they can do an intervention, then it might be a way towards curing cancer, which would be, i would think, great. i prefer to keep it that one simple line because it is simple. and i'm willing to give up-- i'm willing to disappoint the very few people who could not have related children without, you know, without a genetic intervention of that kind. there are very few-- not many and it would disappoint them. i don't think that-- i think that the consequences of opening up the society to having heritable genetic alterations are horrendously wrong and wide, potentially widespread and so i -- that's a line you can draw. when it comes to modified fish, you know, glowing fish in it tanks, glowing plants i'm not sure abou

but in terms of being able to shift fields, remember president obama declared he was going to close. he had a redline that if assad used chemical weapons, he's going to bomb that, so he rethought that. so rethinking as leaders is something we should give them slack to do. neil: that's a magnanimous way to look at this. so what do you tell the jeb bushes and the lindsey grahams who are in this perfect pechual state? to say we're not going, we can't support them, but soon support osama bin laden. he didn't say that. but what you know i'm saying. that they're just viscerally against donald trump. >> how can you blame them? they've been just massacred by aalmost all. christie came back in and of course ben carson was never really challenged by donald trump. but, you know, lynne and i have been married for 54 years, and we've had some crosswords in those 54 years. but there's certain loyalty to certain principles, and i think america just stands for so much. flying over these little houses today and as i landed -- this is a wonderful country and these guys aren't going to jeopardize it just because their

not the obama redline but a real red line. >> the line that i draw personally is heritability. i have no problem with gene therapy, the kind that restores the way a person is, was, thought they were. and they are doing a lot of work on tumor analysis, and there's all this stuff about the genome of the cancer as opposed to the genome of the person. and then if they can do an intervention in there, it might be away towards curing cancer, which would be, i would think great. i prefer to keep it that one simple line, because it is simple. and i am willing to give up, i'm willing to disappoint a very few people who could not have related children without, you know, a genetic intervention of that kind. there are very few of them. there are not many. and it would disappoint them. i don't think that, i think that the consequences of opening up the society to having heritable genetic alterations are horrendously wrong and wide, potentially widespread. that's a line you can draw. when it comes to modified fish, you know, glowing fish in tanks, glowing plants, i'm not sure plans on the st