obama using obama's own words. (cheers and applause) >> i am confident that we can steer ourselves out of this. >> we need a rescue plan for the middle class. >> we need to provide relief for homeowners. if are you going to take a new direction f we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose, lose, lose. >> stephen: busted! if he keeps talking about the economy, obama's going to lose. of course the democrats are claiming that obama is not talk about the economy, quote from 2008 was taken out of context on the technicality that it was. here's the original. >> senator mccain's campaign actually said, and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> stephen: now sure, hold on, hold on, that may look like an unfair edit by romney but later, i will edit this so that it doesn't. and folks, i am happy to say that the author of no apology, mitt romney, is not going to apology. he explained this out of context edit in one sentence. >> what's sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. >> stephen: yes, sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. and it does not matter if the gander that the goose is talking about was quoting an old duck. (laughter) the point is-- (cheers and applause) >> stephen: the point is those words came out of obama's face. now they're his words. i mean just like some of my most famous quotes, ask not

obama quote. many called it dishonest. here's what colbert calls it. >> mitt romney, who gets a tip of my hat for his new ad which nails barack obama using obama's own s. >> if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose, lose, lose. >> of course, the democrats are claiming that obama's not talking about the economy quote from 2008 was taken out of context on the technicality that it was. here's the original. >> senator mccain's campaign actually said, and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> now, sure, hold on, hold on. he explained this out-of-context edit in one sentence -- >> what's sauce for the goose is now sauce for the grander. >> yes, sauce for the goose is now sauce for the grander, and it does not matter if the grander that the goose is talking about was quoting an old duck. the point is, those words came out of obama's face. now they're his words. i mean, just like some of my most famous quotes, "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country," now mine. "love thy neighbor as thyself," i own it! "i don't think you're ready for this jelly, my body's too bootylicio

obama, using obama's own words. of course, the democrats are claiming that obama's "not talk about the economy" quote from 2008 was takene explained this out of context edit in one sentence. >> what's sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. >> yes! sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. and it does not matter if the gander that the goose is talking about was quoting an old duck. those words came out of obama's face. now they're his words. i mean, just like some of my most famous quotes. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. now mine. love thy neighbor as thyself. i own it! >> i guess that's all from the same rule book that the romney campaign used. anyway, next up, ignorance is bliss. not exactly words you want your governor to be living by, do you? do you agree with that? well, unfortunately for ohio residents, governor john kasich is not exactly a fan of newspapers. here's what he said yesterday during a speech at the columbus college of art and design. >> you should know, i don't read newspapers in the state of ohio. very rarely do i read a newspaper, becau

obama's approval rating one year away from election day from past presidents. we want to look at the unemployment rate. what does the past tell us about president obama's future? i love this stuff, obviously. our panel joins us again. president obama'seekly approval rating average, gallup poll is 43%. remember that number. that number has been on the rise. let's look at how obama compared to past president's in november of their third year of office. george w. bush 52%. he won re-election. bill clinton was 53% and rising, too. he won re-election. george bush 41 was 55% but dropping. ronald reagan, 53% and rising, he won. jimmy carter was 40% and rising. he got a spike in popularity when americans were taken hostage in iran. his rating was back in the 30s after that and lost re-election. nixson was 49%. he won re-election. what do you see there? >> not only is his approval rating closest to jimmy carter, which republicans are good at pointing out, carter was a one-term president. one of the most telling things, you mentioned an episode which greatly affected his re-election chances, the taking of hostages in iran. we have no idea who is going to happen with the euro and european union. >> nothing good. a wonderful saren dipty going o

who gets a tip of my hat for his new ad which nails barack obama using obama's own words. >> if we keepquote from 2008 was taken out of context on the technicality that it was. here's the original. >> senator mccain's campaign actually said, and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> now, sure, hold on. hold on. he explained this out of context edit in one sentence. >> what's sauce for the goods is now sauce for the gander. >> yeah, sauce for the goose is now sauce for the gander. and it does not matter if the gander that the goose is talking about was quoting an old duck. the point is -- those words came out of obama's face. now they're his words. i mean, just like some of my most famous quotes. ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country. now mine. love thy neighbor as thyself. i own it. i don't think you are ready for this jelly. my body's too booty licious for you, babe. i own all those words. o0 c1 20 hey guys, what can i get for you? i'd like a decaf 360 calories please. i'll have a triple iced 410 calories please.

mitch mcconnell support letting the economy crash to assure the president obama's a one term president like using president obama of doing the same thing maybe she could use a few more therapy sessions because it's very very. coming up the designs daily take i'll tell you why we all have something to learn from the good people of north dakota and we better study up just. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through that sort of being made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global missionary zeal where we had a state controlled capitalism is called fascism when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. so sometimes you know what you know and sometimes you know you don't know and sometimes as the firesign theater says everything you know is wrong. you know what you owe me or your right. to make. sure. you're always right. if you stop to take a look at all the turmoil and instability we currently face in the world and felt completely helpless about fixing it have you come to the conclusion that making a difference or making the world a better pl

us! >> president obama delivered those remarks roughly one year ago. mr. obama says that when he sees the growth and innovation of other countries, he thinks to himself, that used to be us. in other words, the american dream is on the ropes. 15million americans now unemployed. 50million americans now live in poverty! salaries for americans are at the lowest in ye the decline subject book title behow amer behind the world it invented and now we can come back. the book was co-written by new york times columnist tom friedman, our guest panelist. the book's co-author is johns hopkins university professor michael mannedbalm. the authors describe the book as a wake-up call for corrective action to keep the american dream alive if thus preserve american power in the world. the key to america's resurgence they argue is to mimic china's surging without mimicking china's politics. tom friedman, the book appears to be america has fallen behind the world, that america invented. can you give us a rap sheet on that. >> the basic argument is simple. we argue that what made ame

obama's approval rating with that of past presidents. we also want to look at the effect of the unemployment rate on past president's quest for reelection. what does the past tell us about president obama's future? i love this stuff obviously. our panel joins us again. president obama'sost recent weekly approval rating average, average for the week of november 7th through 13th is 43%. remember that number. that number has been on the rise. let's look at how obama compares to past presidents in november of their third years in office. george w. bush's approval rating was 52% at this time and just starting to rise. he won reelection. bill clinton's rating was 53% and rising, he won reelection. george h.w. bush was 55% but dropping, he lose reelection. ronald reagan was rising. jimmy carter got a spike when popularity were taken hostage in iran. by november his approval ratings were in the 30s and he lost reelection. richard nixon, his approval rating was 49% and rising, he won reelection. >> what do you see there in. >> they want him to repeat at that trajectory because jimmy carter was a one-term president. you mentioned an episode outside of carter's control which affected his reelection chances and that was the tabing king of hostages in riran. we have no idea what'

commercial criticizes president obama's efforts to turn around the economy using a clip from the 2008 obama campaign democrats say that it's misleading only part of what obamad at the time is included and he was quoting opponent john mccain's campaign the obama reelection team calls the ad a deceitful and dishonest attack >>mitt romney will join the other republican presidential contenders tonight for their latest campaign debate that debate is being held in washington d.c. and will focus on national security but some republicans say that national security could be undermined by the congressional super committee failure to agree on a deal to cut the u.s. deficit that failure is scheduled to trigger automatic cuts to the defense budget and elsewhere beginning 2013 >>the number of complaints against security at airports is at its lowest level ever the tsa and the department of transportation says complaints have dropped 59% since 2004 there was a sharp spike last november when the tsa implemented some new security measures the steps involved more aggressive pat downs and the use of body scanners >>will you may be able to check back for free the next time you

president of using language that deepens any stereotype of black americans as passive, complaining, and or lazy. tv host smiley blasted mr. obama for the perceived slur. he argues mr. obama would never use with lateen, jewish or gay americans. >> would he ever say to our hispanic brothers and sisters on immigration in their concerns, stop gruesome ling? stop crying, stop complaining? did he say to gays and lesbians, top gruesome ling, stop crying no how does he get away with saying this to black folk when he would never form his lips to say that to any other constituency? >> clarence, how do you want to address this? >> well, i think first of all, for those who were in the room at the black caucus, there was a lot of love in the room. while you're going have people saying he shouldn't have said that, blah, blah, blah, still, he had the crowd with him. number two, everybody knows smiley and cornell west have been -- criticism of barack obama since before his re- elections for not being close enough to the liberal progressive agenda they follow. i've known cornell 15, 20 years. i respect all of them. but they have disagreements. >> what do you think of the new york times p

obama, i think obama's policies are driving us towards -- i didn't know you felt this way. >> sylindra another $100 million. they were this close to bailout. why? because they were being lied to. >> i just want to make a point to what dana is saying with a tortured metaphor. i'm going to keep staring until it shows up. it's not? my point is -- green energy products are the table dancers of all investment staples. when the democrats see them, they have to make it rain, and ineveryboditively they leave dejected. i should rain. >> we'll give you the answer, the teacher's union, that story is next on the vibe. other scan? the washington. start at 6:00. >> i couldn't believe this next story. a new york city school teacher was late to school 147 times in one year and she gets to keep her job anyway. i don't know if she's protected because of a big law school thing, but if you were late 101 times to the 5, what would happen to you? >> i don't know, teacher of the year, from what i know about the education system in new york, she did the kids a favor by not showing up. >> making them teach themselves. >> yes, they would do a better job on their own. >> would andy do a better job if you did not show up? >> the kids are pretty darn happy. they love substitute teachers. >> the department of education in the state of new york tried to get this woman fired for 18 months, and it didn't work. and so one, at one point, parents across the country support more school choice so they have alternatives to not have to go to failing schools. >> this is evidence of a broken school system. it's not just a broken school system in new york, but all over the country, where you're denying parents the power to make choices for their children. especially low income. this is the challenge of our generation, you talk about a civil rights issue of our time, it's making sure that every kid has a chance to get a step up on the ladder of mobility. and that comes with good education. >> the union influence to help protect her, i think is hurting kids. >> they don't care about kids. they care about the adults. that's part of the problem. christie took it on across the river. after the unions, and recognizing that the way to reform a failing education system, new jersey is on the bottom cortile on the country in scores, was to go after the union, and break up the union. first of all, tenure, it shouldn't matter how long you work. >> how good you are, but if you're in the union from a communications perspective, wouldn't you think it would be good for the union to kick out a teacher and not defend her? >> absolutely, but they're not concerned with that. they're concerned about keeping their dues and their power, you're right, from a pr perspective, they should be advocating for the best teachers: but 502 days, and cost over $200,000. and the what's happening, teachers are misbehaving in very bad ways, and some of them we can't talk about here. the school district says we don't want to spend the money. so spending the money and localities that are broke, they don't have the money to even punish the teachers. >> that's a good transition to the next story that's related to that. across the country, a lot of the unions are trying to get more fun for the schools, and in colorado last tuesday, there was an election, and they voted down a sales tax increase of 2.9 to 3%. and 2.9 education system that ranked 39th in the u.s. in spending. okay, my point on this is, colorado, i grew up there and turned out all right. >> -- if spending was the answer, the dc school system would be a shining wonderful gem. >> this is true in dc, new york city, in chicago. you have know, people always talk about the suburban school districts, they have a lower per pupil spending right than many of the urban districts, but the unions are saying it's a matter of money. it's not a matter of money, it's a matter of saying, we care about of a child's education. i was in chicago yesterday. and guess what the charter schools do, they have a longer day. will the unions allow public schools to have a longer day, no? will the public schools allow it? no. we are hamstringing educating our own children. >> isn't this a referendum of what's going on? chicago, illinois didn't get the message, but chicago is saying, we don't want higher taxes. >> indecisively. 64%, you can't get 64% of americans to agree on mother's day proclamations. >> when it comes to money, the public school system is a bottomless pit with spikes at the bomb. and that's impossible except for the public school system. money has never been the issue. it's about competition. >> more spikes on the bottom. >> that's what the public system is, you throw the money down there, and you don't hear it. >> is this a larger political problem? only of a 5 year temporary tax, and it's a bigger problem for president obama who is out there advocating for higher taxes in a state like colorado. >> i looked at this story and it gives me hope. it should give the entire country hope and the republican party hope that the methods are not working. there are consequences when you blow your budget. it comes back and people go, i don't want to pay it, sorry. they didn't try very hard to win. that was a good one. greg, got a bone to pick with president obama, back with that. we know a place where tossing and turning have given way to sleeping. where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta can help you get there, like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake. walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities while asleep, without remembering it the next day, have been reported. abnormal behaviors may include aggressiveness, agitation, hallucinations or confusion. in depressed patients, worsening of depression, including r

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us what they wouldn't do for obama. okay? now they're doing it partly out of bias, i understand that, i understand there are places like msnbc that are essentially the obama re-election team, but, you know, that's fine, this is a free society. you can also say frankly that fox tends to be nicer than it is to obama. >> that's current republican frontrunner, at least according to some polls, newt gingrich, taking a shot at msnbc and the biased coverage he feels his campaign has been getting. it so happens that he's risen to the top in the latest fox news poll at 23%, essentially tied with mitt romney for first place among republicans nationwide. what do you think about his point, though, jim? >> i think that if there's ever a reminder of having a strategy to deal with the media, a strategy for politics, gingrich has demonstrated it. from the get-go in this campaign, he said, look, i don't want you the press to divide us republicans, where any of us is better than obama, so don't let us -- in the game of dividing each other, then turns back to the media. not everybody likes that strategy, but republicans do, that's for sure, and that's why he's done so well.

us is better usan barack obama. >> reporter: throughout the debate, the candidates sharply criticized president obama and made clear their differences were stark. >> if i were president, i would i willing to use water boarding. i think it was very effective and gained information for our country. ( cheers and applause ) es our current president has made it very clear he is not willing to do those things necessary to get iran to be gssuaded from their nuclear folly. arwill take a different course. >> there are a number of ways to fe smart about iran and relatively few ways to be dumb. >> reporter: there were no obvious stumbles. governor perry joked about his brain freeze. >> and the-- what's the third one there, let's see. >> reporter: ...in the last debate. >> pelley: governor perry, you advocate the elimination of the department of energy. if you eliminate the department of energy... >> glad you remembered it. (applause) (applause) >> pelley: i've had some time to think about it, sir. (laughter) >> me too. >> reporter: with a solid performance, perry came down strong on the issue of foreign aid, triggering critic

obama care. >> i'm for repealing obama care. >> repeal dodd-frank. the bill to repeal obama care. >> we cannot go forward with obama care. >> i will use an executive orderof this, you have the unanimous pledge to attempt to repeal it, it is possible that the biggest overhaul of the nation's health care system in 50 years could be overturned by supreme court or a republican president or a combination there of. if you asked me 18 months ago, i would have said so. are you surprised by the state the affordable care act finds itself in? >> i'm not. we have been fighting over this issue for almost a century. the continuities in the battle are just overwhelming. if you listen to the republicans today, you can hear echoes of the campaign against medicare of the earlier fights against truman's plan. there's a continuing acrimony around health care. all the other democracies have put this issue to rest. it's only in the united states that conservatives equate public financing of health care with a loss of freedom. it's a bizarre equation but it has characterized conservative thought for a long time. >> to show some of this, our crack segment producer found this c

obama. obama is. ten times the campaigner that used the press i don't mean that as an insult i mean that as a compliment to you mr president because you can just say anything and they'll buy it and they'll believe you know if we had invaded libya and if we had decided to intervene in all these other countries under a different president under under republican under the under mccain this country was ready to go up in flames over the fact that we had been dragged into the wars that people thought was necessary that this economic system had collapsed the trillions of dollars are being given so when he came in he came in with the idea that he was going to reform things and when that was not met the criteria that he set up himself what the reform would tail was not completed. i don't think that created the occupy wall street movement but it definitely added fuel to the party what see you as the biggest broken promise from home on the morning you know what makes me the most disappointed in anything that is not a question of disappointed on him. breaking a promise that you know emotionally scarred you somehow

loot so let's get it clear your job in europe is to do what the us calls you to the europeans told me. so then you have mr obama and obama said just exactly what you said. we want you to make sure that there is no referendum your job is not to promote democracy increase your job is to extract as much capital as you can from greece so that our banks who plays the bear can win at the expense of your banks and the european central bankers knuckle under so there is an absolute. garment and as one politician told me the one good thing of obama as president is he security europe any allusion that they can any longer rely upon any worst president to really take an enlightened a point of view that the presidency of the united states the treasury secretary ship and the justice department essential have been taken over by the financial system or the very experienced and their they look at obama just as another day and for the first time since world war two they're learning to say you know interesting what i want to know what you think. the case of greece you think is essentially benefiting banks and benefiting u.s. leaders who you

obama quoting aid in john mccain's 2008 campaign. team romney acknowledged that in the online announcement of the commercial but obama campaign called romney deceitful and dishonest to use it to make obamauctant to discuss the economy. the democratic national committee called romney serial deceiver as the deceptions know no bounds. romney deceive about the record, record of his opponent and positions on the issues. when romney is caught deceiving he doubles down and deceives more. no apologies for romney who bought full page ads in several newspapers welcoming the president with an open letter saying i will be bankrupt. your policies failed. far from bringing the crisis to an end, the policy actively hindered economic recovery. romney may face a tough challenge for gingrich for the g.o.p. nomination. but today, romney picked a fight with the president in new hampshire. specifically to show that he is leading the fight against incumbent. in washington, carl cameron, fox news. >> shannon: still ahead, the fall-out from the pepper traying of occupy movement protesters in california. we're back in 30 seconds to tell you why tear gas was used in one asian parliament. >> shannon: south korea

us, even president obama took part. part to pitch in small business saturday, hisident obama and toghters paid a visit bookstore in duponte. doing christmas shopping? not yet? we are starting early. >> meanwhile, there was a small business street festival. at a fashion show promoted shops and a farmers' market promoted local food vendors. >> it is more natural, fresh produce. >> organizers of small business that 89 million will shop at mom-and- pop stores this holiday weekend they hope the interest will continue year round. i feel better going to small businesses. definitely a good thing to do. despite the tough economy, woman opened a boutique prices tohs ago, with with major chains. the most of our prices are vastly reduced. you are supporting local manufacturers.s. the country slid the recovers the obamasion, takeistration says it will big box retailers and smaller stores to spur economic growth nationwide. >> the small businesses are opening every day. we are drawing traffic and keeping the economic engine going. the big holiday weekend and a preview of cyber monday deals, bought on wjla.com. >>> the u.s. capitol chr

obama can't track everybody down who uses his name in vain. then i hear that's in an actual intro deduction to obama. that obamaidn't have a sister soldier moment where he looked at him and i said i told you after gabby giffords shut up with that crap. i don't like barack obama anymore. you know why? he doesn't like me and 50% of america. is he not stick up for us. it's time for this guy to go next year. is he inept and officially creepy after not chiding hoffa jr. for saying that for god's sake. >> bill: did you ever like him, miller? >> sure i did. how many months when i said i saw him in grant park that night and i thought about black kids in this country and how who he have had to look up to syringes in their asses to hit home runs and women in such misogynistic terms. i thought this is a great moment in this country to right a lot of wrong. i came out of the box. i didn't vote for him but i thought this could be a good thing. around six months in i began to get it is he inept. not that good at it chicago thug. the other day when he didn't defend me against an idiot like hoffa, he just lost me. i'm voting h

us all. and finally, will it get ugly? michelle obama was booed by nascar fans but it got worse when rush limbaugh called the obama's uppity. will the racial divide grow ugly? hi, i'm chris matthews. welcome to the show. with us today from "the chicago tribune," clarence paige, katty kay, kelly o'donnell and "the daily beast"'s andrew sullivan. the supercommittee was the last hope for a bipartisanship this year but the men and women on both sides seem to be playing escape from washington. they gave up and surrendered to our poison politics. you see it at every level all the way to the white house. doing a cover for a magazine, would you maybe come up up with this cover? is politics in america dead? kelly, tough question to you, but is it our leadership class, our political class, they can't seem to do what they're supposed to do, which is strike a deal. >> part of that is because they always give themselves a parachute. unlike the debt ceiling crisis or the possibility of a sutdown, here they've given themselves an out. they knew all along that there would be another way to handle this later. they could suffer the embarras