lou: yeah, and pushed and pushed by the justice, the fbi and the obama white house it appears.ings institution and all of this, can you get a report out, can you get something out before the election as a result of your investigation into the dossier? >> well, look the key here is, lou, this wasn't just some low-level brookings institute person, the president at the time involved in disseminating the dossier and now we know the brookings institute fellows were involved in the creation of it. we are continuing to press on with our investigation and we will continue to do that, but, look the irs will have to look at this also. this is also just beyond the justice department, we also have to look at tax status of this group. lou: congressman devin nunes, as always, we learn every time we talk with you. thanks so much for everything that you're doing. that's it for us tonight. follow on twitter at lou dobbs and like me on facebook and instagram at lou dobbs tonight and reminder i will be interviewing the president next week, be sure to join us for that and tomorrow. goodnight so wh

well of course you know i had the honor of working for president obama for 6 years in the white house and most campaigns and what we see is one person in president obama vice president biden who were covered the economy ensure that there was access to health care address minority women business issues and you have someone in donald trump who is a racist sexist xeno form a demagogue trying to destroy the legacy of our country and so it was making it very clear an election is about choice and contrasts and here is the choice for everyone do we continue down a path where people are literally dying because of donald trump and my plans or do we decide to move forward with a clear vision with the by the merest agenda so president obama was very clear we cannot wait we cannot sit on the sidelines we have to be engaged we have to be there to do everything for the bioterror secure to with michael blake really good to talk to you speaking to us there from washington the democratic national committee vice chairman he also served as a senior aide in the obama white house. still ahead on al-jazeer

she was often floated as a likely appointee to the obama white house. she stayed in sacramento. harris credited with clearing a backlog of rape kits and won a multi-billion settlement for the state. home owns hit by the foreclosure crisis were involved. she won for senate and won. let's talk with barbara lee. you have been in harris' corner from day one. >> yes, i have. and let me just say how happy i am today. i'm happy for senator harris, but also i'm happy for our country. she's going to be an effective partner with our next president, joe biden. she's going to be in the cabinet room, the cabinet meetings. she's going to be in the situation room helping to unpack not only the terrible policies of the trump administration but really put together an agenda that's for the people in terms of racial and economic justice in terms of health care. she is well-prepared for this. so i just think someone called me to see how i felt and it was hard to describe how i felt. we have a vice presidential candidate who was born in my district. >> you are beaming over this. we keep talking abou

i covered the obama white house for a whe and have never seen him address one like that one. wasr in his voice. he was delivering an urgent warning to all americans, basically saying this is not a normal election. this is not a choice between two ideological visions in the country, not a choice about whose health care plan is better or who will do what do your taxes. it is about whether youanthe whether you want this country to remain the country it has been for so many years, and effectively saying four more years of donald trump would seriously jeopardize all of that. robert: yamiche, years ago, we sought senator bernie sanders and his supporters cause a ruckus, frustrated with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. this timeen around, a of unity. why was that? yamiche: i think was for the same reasons that phil just laid out. democrs feel real sense of emergency that president trump is dangerouso america and that the future of america -- presidentrump is someone that democrats see as people in some ways. they do notse that word, but when you listened to what they were say

our leadoff discussion this hour, our own alicia menendez is with us, plus two veterans of the obama white house, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager, senior adviser to the president. his latest book is "a citizen's guide to beating donald trump." and robert gibbs, former obama campaign senior adviser and white house press secretary under president obama. good evening. we welcome you all. alicia, i'd like to begin with you. so you're watching at home. maybe you're not a party stalwart, but you're an interested party. and maybe you read some of the hubbub about one aoc. was she given enough speaking time? is she being given enough respect by the national party? she begins to speak, and you realize she's giving the seconding address for bernie sanders. the republicans are going to keep up the incoming fire about the democrats and the problem with, as they put it, managing aoc as a member of this party going forward. where do you see it going? >> brian, i'm so glad that you started there. when you step back and you look at tonight, i think a big part of what you see is a party that is in t

i covered the obama white house for a while and have never seen him address one lik in his voic.livering an urgent warning to all americans basically saying this is not a normal election. this is not a choice between two ideological visions ialn about whose care plan ietter or who will do what do your taxes. out whether you want the americabans i demitocracy to c, whether you wan ts country to remain the country it has been for so many yrs, and effectively saying four more years of donald trump would seriously jeopardize all of that. ro yamiche, years ago, we ht senator bernie sande and his supporters cause a ruckus, frustrated with the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign. this time around, a sensey. of un why was that? same reasons that phil just laid out. democrats feel a real sense of emergencyhapresident trump is dangerous to america and that the future of america -- president trump isomeone that democrats see as people in some ways. they do not use that word, but when you listened to what they were saying, the eye via osu lightness v darkness, goodness versusenad, d versus no

obama had a version of this that did not -- there was some concern inside the obama white house because he was elected on hope and change and all these good feelings, but there was nothing concrete. leave aside what the platform said when everyone gathered in denver. when he is elected, he has a choice. does he do health care first or financial services reform first? president obama did health care first and a lot of democrats in his party think that was a mistake and they should have done financial services reform first, but then maybe not gotten the affordable care act. you have a finite mind of capital, just like i have a finite amount of time here. on that note, i will sort of wind down. host: we will give you 30 more seconds. we are going to hear from president obama and someone here from hillary clinton tonight, perspectives they bring as far as the activities of this week. has taken the gloves off in a private call that was quickly leaked in may. you will have current -- will have former presidents. obama will give testimonials and probably tell some nice stories, nice anecdotes.

back with us again tonight, two veterans of the obama white house, david plouffe, former obama campaign manager and senior adviser. his latest work is "a citizen's guide to beating donald trump." and robert gibbs, former obama campaign senior adviser and white house press secretary under one barack obama. gentlemen, welcome to you. david, first of all, production elements. since we critiqued the democrats last week, it was mostly, by my count, prerecorded speeches from an empty hall, a lectern, a lot of flags. no trick to that. anything you saw and, again, as someone in your world, envied as a production element? >> no. i thought, you know, on night one the democratic convention was more cohesive. it was more of a story. you know, i thought the first video that they played right at the top of the hour made a good case for the president. what i found interesting tonight, so i don't think there was any huge misses there. i think it's hard for some people to project into an empty auditorium -- is that clearly they're not comfortable with their base. so most of tonight, i think, was aimed a

joining me now, nbc white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-host kristen welker and former obama white house communications director jennifer palmieri, offer the new book "she proclaims." welcome, both. kristen, that interview almost an hour, extraordinary. the president still saying it's under control. we'll show you more of it in a moment. it just defies the reality. >> it defiles the realies the r andrea, and it goes against what the president's top doctors are saying, dr. anthony fauci, dr. deborah birx, who have said the opposite, who have said that this is surging across the country and that what is required right now is increased vin vigilance and an increased adherence to the measures that they have laid out that they feel are necessary to combat this virus. that includes of course wearing face masks, social distancing. dr. anthony fauci saying that he does support opening schools but that it needs to happen in a safe and secure way. it comes against the backdrop of a complicated situation for president trump, just 31% of americans say they trust what president trump has

. >> back with us again tonight two veterans of the obama white house, david plouffe, former campaignager and senior advisor. his latest work is "a citizens's guide to beating donald trump." and former white house press secretary under president obama. and david, i know you had a hand, had a role in the crafting of tonight's remarks. and i know that no one need remind you writing it is one thing. it's in the delivery, and i contend we saw something altogether different tonight. >> oh, i mean that was barack obama's speech. it's an idea in writing in delivery. i obviously helped on a lot of speeches through the years as has robert. watched a gazillion of them, there's never been one like that. i mean i think he often used to talk about the fierce urgency of now that dr. king talked about, and i think urgency, truth -- one of his signature lines back in '08 he would often say as president is i'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. i'm going to tell you what you need to hear, and that's what he did tonight. even for me i'd seen the speech ahead of time. it's alarming to hear it.

you know, i talked to one of people who worked at the obama white house and the george w bush white house and they say the only time it happens is when the president takes real command, has a couple people around them, sitding there and they are running the government. they are pulling it al together, makings it happen. reminding people at every agency, the president of the united states, your boss, wants this to happen. the president calls up governors, you tie aid to the guideline so people adhere to them. in other words, it's hard work, and for donald trump, the presidency has been a tv show. there is a moment, the governor of michigan, when she was han handling the pandemic and the dam that burst and the floods, she called up trump for help and started to talk about the emergency of setting up fema, and the penalresident said to h you are doing great. you looked great on tv. that is his definition of a good job. you get on tv, and there will be tests at walmart within five days. it will be 15 minutes tests with a machine. the fact that none of it actually happens doesn't seem to matte

a clear political event with the white house as a backdrop is really unlike anything we have ever seen. one source pointed out to me, there was a controversy about obama using a christmas card in ads and now we're going to have the president in front of the white house giving a convention speech potentially. >> shannon pettypiece, shannon, thank you very much. >>> and at 3:00 p.m., nancy pelosi, chuck schumer -- and chuck schumer will sit back down with mark meadows and steve mnuchin to continue talks on the next round of pandemic relief. according to two democratic sources who spoke to our nbc news hill team, they're currently considering a compromise that would lower the expanded unemployment benefit to $400 a week, but it would extend those benefits until december at least. it would also extend the eviction moratorium until december as well. but there is so far no agreement on the issue of how best to fund schools, nor is there a consensus on how much money to send the postal service ahead of november's election, and to that end, the post master general is expected to join in on at least the beginning of today's negotiations. with me now from capit

got on very well with susan rice another woman of color she sat with him for 8 years in the obama white house the 2 of them are very close but in the end he obviously thought that camelot is would add a lot more to the ticket idle lot more enthusiasm to the ticket and perhaps bring more voters to the ticket and given that this could end up despite the polls at the moment to be a very tight presidential race and they always tighten towards election day that was seen as a crucial. issue certainly vice presidential picks are picked on the basis of do no harm he obviously sees camelot harris is someone who will not only do no harm but will enhance the ticket so it's going to be biden had this for 2020 and that's an important point to make allen just a final thought you before you go i mean uniting talking us politics for some time particularly since super tuesday so many issues around race and culture in america at the moment i mean what sort of bounce then is house is because v.p. likes to give biden in the polls at the moment. he will get a bonus there's always a vice presidential pick bones it

the biden campaign has hired a team including longtime biden insiders, veterans of the obama white houseas well as some newcomers. biden has interviewed all the top vp candidates and could make an announcement at any time. is taking quick action against its covid-19 case in more than three months. minister jacinda ardern is locking down auckland for three days to prevent another outbreak. 100 twoand have gone days without a new case of coronavirus. prime minister ardern says the nation has beat the virus before and can do so again. of hong kong lined up at newsstands across the city to defend democracy and a free press. the public showing of support came one day after police rounded up 10 people including the founder of a newspaper critical of china's ruling communist party. the move reinforced fears that a new national security law would be used to suppress dissent in hong kong. apple daily remain defiant, printing 350,000 copies today, five times its usual print number. the u.k. and france have agreed to come up with a joint plan to stop migrants from crossing the english channel to re

terms of economic policy and reopening the economy, vice president pence sought to contrast the obama white houseery with the recovery the vice president says president trump will be able to usher in in second term. there is another key issue on foreign coronavirus policy that is going to come to a boil in the debate. that is over the restriction, the travel restriction that president trump ordered on january 31. april,not until early april 1 or second, in which the communications director for the biden campaign said they were in favor of that. the speech tonight, vice president pence raise an issue about whether or not biden would have enacted those travel restrictions from china. that is going to be dissected every which way as the coronavirus handling becomes increasingly politicized. david: stay with us for a moment. i would like to talk about subbing we have been talking through the evening. --t is the the nba coming on saying they would not play tonight. even as vice president was speaking, minneapolis, one of the places he called out, minneapolis announced a curfew because of disturbances

bring that all together, you know, i was talking to one of the people who worked at, both the obama white house and the george w. bush white house, and he was saying the only times that happens is when the president takes real command. has a couple of people around him, who are sitting there and they are running the government. they are pulling it all together, making it happen. reminding people, at every agency, the president of the united states, your boss, wants this to happen. president calls up governors. you issue national guidelines. you tie aid to those guidelines, so people adhere to them. you know, in other words, it's hard work. and for donald trump, the presidency has been a tv show. there's this moment in, you know, gretchen whitmer talks about -- governor of michigan -- when she was handling, both the pandemic and the dam that pusbu and the floods. she called up trump for help, and started explaining the importance of invoking an emergency in fema. and trump says to her, you know, i think you're doing great. you looked great on tv. that is his definition of doing a good job. you k

also is the former acting director of the white house office of pandemic and emerging threats and in that job helped lead the obamala response. so, doctor, you heard the admiral. you and i both know, no doubt, of cases where people are yet unable to get tested. do you believe what the admiral said there? do you think he believes it? >> well, brian, you know, in a way i feel a little sorry for dr. giroir. he's in a really tough spot. he's, you know, forced to go out there and support a policy that i think most americans can quickly realize, you know, is not factually accurate. it's infuriating for me as a health care provider. it's, you know, infuriating as a tax-paying citizen that this is the best that we've been able to achieve in this situation. you know, i think what dr. giroir missed in there is that while it's true that the president may have expended all of his existing authorities under the dpas, the role or the work of governance on behalf of the president and the congress is to create existing -- create more authority when the situation demands it. that's where this response has failed. if this is truly

joe biden choose as his running mate, but that person has a staff, including veterans of the obama white housend some newcomers. bloomberg has learned biden has interviewed all of the top candidates and could make an announcement this week. global news 24 hours a day, on air and on quicktake by bloomberg, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in over 120 countries. i am mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. david? david: this is not the first time we've seen republicans and democrats square off of major policy actions, but the stalemate comes in a challenging time for the american people and the american economy. we welcome darrell issa, who served for 18 years as republican congressman from southern california it is now running to go back to washington. thank you so much for being with us. give us your sense. your successful businessman. he spent a lot of time in washington. your sense about where we are with the economy as we head into an election? mr. issa: what you are seeing is people can argue about what they agree on. we agree we want to put money into the workers hands, we wan

. >> when i worked in the obama white house, i managed president obama's relationship with the federal agencies. i never met the postmaster general. couldn't even tell you what he looked like, what his name was. that's the way it's supposed to be. politics is not supposed to play a role in how our mail is delivered. this isn't just about voting. it's about veterans and seniors getting medicine. ability workers getting their paychecks. it is about small businesses getting their payments and so this has broader repercussions, but the truth of the issue is there is no fraud or widespread fraud when it comes to mail in voting. no functional difference when it comes to mail in voting and absentee voting. certain states like florida can do versus other states is just false. and so i applaud speaker pelosi, senator schumer for try iing to bring congress back to address this issue because it has much broader repercussions. all of this is trying to sew confusion about voting. and the truth is i think this will backfire because i think the message very clearly to people voting against donald tru

lou: give us your thoughts about its import and the relationship, if there is one, with the obama white househalf years of hearing donald trump had a russian spy problem, he didn't, of course, that wasn't true, it turns out the democrats do have a russian spy problem if you believe the senate intelligence committee report that came out because it identified a business partner of paul manafort in ukraine as a russian intention officer. an asset of a foreign power, hostile foreign power. he had countless contacts with the obama state department particularly through the ukraine embassy over many years. hefeeding them information, they treated him as a sensitive source, but they were also feeding him very sensitive information back. if he's a russian spy, as the senate intelligence committee alleges, there is a big problem. there needs to be a damage assessment at the state department to see what we may have given him that might have hurt our security. lou: to this point, the state department has been impervious to inquiry and demands, in fact, for answers. >> yeah. lou: i don't know that we have

white house. >> our gres is the former health policy administration in the obama white house and an msnbc news medicaltributor. let me start with this six million mark. it seems like in some places that rising case load is slowing down, that there's a decrease in the rate of new infections. might there be any good news with regard to the case load, even though it continues to go up? >> yeah. that's correct, joshua. so in especially the states that we have been talking about a lot lightly, texas, florida, even california, the actual numbers, new cases are declining. that's still good news they're not going up. however, smaller states, the dakotas, iowa, georgia, mississippi, tennessee that are experiencing increases, so we do need to keep an eye on the virus overall, but there is at least some positive news that the case rates are continuing to decline. >> what about this interview with the ft where he said he'd be willing to step vaccine approval process? we remember the controversy over convalescent plasma where he was buhl yant about the effects and then had a to walk that back. how would we know if

mitch mcconnell in 2016 threatened the obama white house to say if you try to stop russia from helpingonald trump i'll throw you under the bus. now standing back, let congress go home, not one senate hearing for destruction of the post office and seems to be prepared to let it die for donald trump to hold on to power. am i overreading that? >> i don't think so, that's true of all the republicans or most, certainly the leadership. what they're saying to voters home in kentucky for mitch mcconnell, we don't care about your social security checks, paychecks and prescription drugs you count on from the mail. or the jobs, lot of people rise up the economic laerd working at the post office, postal service. he's stepping back. multiple crises right now. public health crises, economic crises, and democracy crisis, and social/racial justice crisis, all interconnected and donald trump knows that he wants to delegitimize the election because it looks bad for him at the moment. if there's anything he can do to actually rig the election in his favor, he's going to do that. and you know -- to sheryl

we all saw when he tried to push this similar trope about president obama, white house adviser jared kushner was pressed on the issue this morning in a rare interview on cbs. this is what he said. >> look, at the end of the day, it's something that's out there -- >> that's not what i'm asking. do you accept she's a qualified candidate? >> i personally have no reason to believe she was not. >> she was born in oakland, california. >> yeah. >> makes her a qualified candidate. why didn't the president take the opportunity to debunk that theory? >> i have not had a chance to discuss this with him, but again let his words speak for himself. >> aimee, how do you think democrats and quite frankly journalists as well, how do you push back against that lie besides calling it what it is, a lie, how do you push back against it and knock it down without giving it more oxygen, or do you just ignore it? >> well, it's about turnout. toni morrison said this best many years ago, recognize the true and serious function in racism. in trump's anti-immigrant racism is distraction. it keeps you from doing

she was often floated as a likely appointee to the obama white house, but she ended up staying in sacramento. she see credited with clearing a backlog of rape kits and won a multibillion dollar settlement for home owners hit by the financial crisis. in 20161 when she ran for the u.s. senate and won. >> a lot of history wrapped up in this announcement and a lot of pride in the influential indian community in the bay area. >> reporter: this is the exact moment harini krishnan found out senator kamala harris was the presumptive vice presidential nominee. >> when my daughter came and told me it was her it was just a relief. it was emotion. >> reporter: harini is a state codirector of the group south asians for biden, and she's a former harris campaign volunteer as well. >> it was just an overwhelming feeling knowing that a woman of color who looks like me, a south asian woman and a black woman is going -- you know, is a vice presidential candidate. >> what a historic day. i think it's a historic day for all americans. >> reporter: co-founder of the super pack asian-american pacific islander vict

, and elena beverly is with us as well, political strategist, former aide in the obama white house of urban affairs, former director of frak outreach for president obama's 2008 campaign. honored to have both of you. thank you for your time. neera, i'll start with you. why don't you think we've seen a clear and consistent line of attack so far from president trump against kamala harris specifically? >> to be honest, i think this is one of the real strengths of senator harris. we saw it in the kavanaugh hearings. she was effective at going after judge kavanaugh. he had terrible responses. and i think this is a real challenge for republicans. they have a seismic gender gap, a seismic gender gap. it is the worst gender gap that the republican party has ever faced and they are now using sexist tropes against senator harris and really non-sensical attacks. on one hand she's too moderate. on the other hand, she's a radical leftist. it tells you that they're just struggling. i don't know why they're struggling. when she had really tough questions of attorney general barr, he was basically

. >> let's bring in democratic strategist jesse moore, worked in the obama white house as a speech writerf public engagement there. he's also the founder of common thread strategies. always good to have you, sir. thank you, jesse, for your time this morning. >> hey, man. >> the mantra as you know from the obama wing of the democratic party, it was for years, when they go low, we go high. it would seem as if mr. biden has decided that that is not the strategy for his campaign. >> i think the times call for a little bit of an update. i think that's still the motto, but he said, what the hell, man. that's how we feel right now, every day, at least once. that's a decent motto for a 2020 update. >> let's talk strategy for a moment. i'm going to put up a map. i think you should be able to see it there. these are the 15 states in which the biden campaign has reserved ad space for the fall. pennsylvania, florida, michigan, north carolina, arizona, wisconsin, minnesota, nevada, new hampshire, colorado, virginia, georgia, iowa, ohio, texas. the campaign is saying that the tv part of this ad, just t

2016, russian intelligence systemically penetrated our election systems to the point where the obama white house was bracing for russia to manipulate those systems and cause chaos on election day, and i worry as a result of the coronavirus, as a result of all of the preexisting doubt about the stability of our voting process, russia could escalate towards seeking to sabotage the actual voting process as our election unfolds come november. >> would could argue and criticize the obama administration for not doing enough with regards to russian interference, and now you have a president that's not acknowledging it at all, and it's happening in the midst of a pandemic, and this news came out on a friday. it's important that we keep talking about it in the months and weeks ahead. thank you so much, what a timely book you have written as well. >> thank you very much for having me. >>> and a programming note, follow the fearless female cnn political reporters. i'm so lucky to work with these women as they cover the 2020 presidential campaign. watch this great new documentary "on the trail, inside the 2

of course, susan rice, you know the relationship there forged tz in the obama white house so critical. worked in the trenches together. the question there is how much of a campaign issue they allow to be brought in the issues of benghazi and masking they wanted to jump-start in the conversation. >> the debate, a complete falsified, as well as benghazi but hasn't run for elected office. they will try to sully anyone chosen, of course.ave i quickly. it seems that former vice president joe biden is more interested in getting it right than getting it fast, which when talking about somebody who is a heartbeat away from the presidency, that's the right way to go, but this leadup and back and forth is really seeming to pit particularly black women against each other, and raise questions about the ambition of black women at a time where you are hearing from across the spectrum a lot of people saying that this, the choice should be a black woman among all of these very qualified candidates. it's not a matter of qualification. it's a matter of each of these women bring different things to the o

he was ethics lawyer inside the obama white house.as we mentioned, he happens to be the author of a new book, "a case for the american people: the united states versus donald j. trump." norm has never been ambiguous. counselor, welcome back onto our broadcast. you spent extensive amounts of time with michael cohen. is part of your book an attempt to hit reset to remind people where we've been? we were chugging along so fast during those hearings and during the impeachment process that one of the things you argue is michael cohen gave you a roadmap to the financial investigations of this president. >> brian, thanks for having me back. the book is indeed an effort. think of it this way, like your alarm clock, brian. i need three alarms to wake me up in the morning. the russia investigation was the first along-term. the ukraine impeachment was the second alarm. and the book is intended to be part of the third alarm because we need to have the american people awake as we head for the november election. and michael cohen was a very importa

the obama white house was aware of the entire situation.ert mueller was appointed in may of 2017 to investigate russian collusion. there was no collusion. that resulted in a report that exonerated and vindicated president trump in april of 2019 when the radical dems failed on collusion in that sham investigation and then special counsel, they tried a sham impeachment which again resulted in no evidence and a failed effort, again, as they tried to remove the president. joining us now is sidney powell, terrific american, also general flynn's attorney, and we are delighted to have you with us. i can only imagine when you got that ruling by this court, but -- what your face must have look looked like, sidney. i think most americans are furious at what they now see as judicial corruption. this is outrageous. your thoughts. >> well, they certainly are getting an education of what has become of our federal judiciary, lou. call this michael flynn exception to the rule of law. the courts made it up for the majority decision. the defense by judges ro

you know, these discussions extended all the way up through and into the obama white house and included think the electorate, the american people are entitled to that information. i do believe it's important to get that information occupant early enough so that there's no untoward effect on the election meaning that it's out in sufficient time for the country to absorb it and it's not, you know, seen as being unfair or taking a, you know, a cheap shot at now the presidential nominee from the democratic party. but what that suggests is that, you know, it shouldn't be an october surprise, but, you know, right after labor day or shortly within the, you know, the immediate days after that, i don't see any reason if that report is ready that the american people shouldn't have the been fit of that before they weigh in and cast their ballots for president. jackie: robert ray, thank you so much for the insight, sir. great see you. >> thanks. thanks very much, jackie, take care. jackie: don't miss liz's must-see interview with carter page tuesday night right here on "the evening edit." coming up

you worked in the obama white house. should the public have to find this out through a leak?ow should this information be handled where you don't want to create panic and chaos but at the same time, you have to have the public aware of what is happening in their cities 12? >> yeah, i'll be honest. i feel not just from my time in government but also as a health professional transparency is key. even if that transparency is a message that might sometimes be frightening or seen to be cautionary but more than ever, ayh ayman, we have to be up front with the public and health officials and local level and i'll give an an in this case do -- richard besser did daily phone calls and had no time limit until all questions were exhausted and that's the type of response and being able to see the road and that's truly what is happening. >> dr. patel, always a pleasure. thanks for giving us the facts this morning. >>> race inequality in a pandemic. health care workers of color twice as likely to get covid-19. we'll dive into just why. plus, we're going to talk to the historically black col

jen is the former communications director for the obama white house. good morning. great to see both of you! >> good morning. >> bakari, let me just start with you. i know that joe biden wasn't your first choice of all of the candidates, so how do you think he did last night? >> that was a pretty loaded question there. he did great! he's awesome. he was -- you know, he got his groove. and what we saw last night was passionate joe. and what we also saw last night was a clear contrast between the man right now who's occupying the white house. i thought the setting was amazing. i thought this was a very, very difficult convention to pull off, but they did. each night, you had individuals who were able to break through the screen. i mean, it's hard to really do that well on zoom, but you had michelle obama, the first night, jill biden, the second night. you had kamala harris on night three and joe biden capped it off. it was a great convention. and everybody, i know, is so excited for the next 75-day or so sprint. >> my question was going to be, bakari, why is that manr

. >> i want to bring in valerie jarrett now, former senior adviser in the obama white house, also the author of "the new york times" bestseller "finding my voice." valerie jarrett, always good to see you. thank you for joining us on a friday. >> thank you, craig. nice to be with you. >> "the new york times" has this headline this morning j. joe biden says goodbye, uncle joe, hello father of the nation." you worked with vice president biden in the white house. you know him pretty well. what did you make of the address we heard last night? >> wow. what an incredible way of delivering his vision for america, both his address but also, craig, the entire week, demonstrated the breadth and diversity of those he has attracted, democrats, independents, republicans alike, all choosing to be consistent with where the vast majority of american people are, they're good, decent, want to help their neighbors. it's the exact opposite of what i think you're going to see next week. >> democrats have to sell a platform in addition to the candidate. there's a certain bumper sticker ready phrase mr. bide

with us to do that is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser in the obama white house, whos these days co-host of the "pod save the world" podcast. ben, i want to quote someone you and i both know, and that's richard haass, counsel of foreign relations in new york. and he writes tonight, the idea that secretary pompeo can speak at the rnc convention in his personal capacity betrays a basic misunderstanding. any individual gives up his or her personal capacity to speak on foreign policy when he/she takes the job. it is public service, not political service. ben, does richard have it about right? >> well, he does except for one thing. i actually don't think it's a misunderstanding, brian. i think he knows that he's violating the law, and he just doesn't seem to care. again, he thinks that there are rules that apply to his employees, the tens of thousands of men and women who serve this country in our foreign service and our civil service, and he thinks those rules don't apply to him. and i think that part of what is important here is not only is he violating the law, not only

. >> joining me now is msnbc senior medical contributor and a former obama white house health policyiser dr. sizeke emanu. he's the vice provost at the university of pennsylvania, author of the book "which country has the best health care." zeke, can you add more to what dr. fauci said? is that herd immunity, if you looked at it in a spreadsheet, you might think is a good idea. explain further why that would be a scary proposition for this country. >> so the official numbers, we have about 5.3 million cases, about 170,000 deaths, but the real deaths are probably higher. we now have reports that estimate over 200,000. herd immunity will require 225 million americans to be infected, and if you just multiply the numbers, you're going to have millions of deaths, and that's just going to be unacceptable to people, millions of deaths. you know, each year we have 2.8 million people who die, 75% of them over 65, but in this case you would have millions more people dying. it's just totally unacceptable, and we have a very high risk population as dr. fauci said. the obese, the people with lung

patel, nbc news medical contributor, former adviser in the obama white house. dr.e we're -- we're just in a cul-de-sac here repeating ourselves. it seems pretty obvious to every public health official the concern on the college campuses. we dodged a bullet on the college campuses when the pandemic began because spring break was happening, so we never full y realized the potential threat of this. is this memorial day weekend 2.0? >> yeah, you're absolutely right. hopefully not just 2.0 but maybe the warnings from the schools that have opened can be at least a bit of a kind of clarion call across the country. i'm a little concerned that not only do you have the world health organization as you cited, but we have studies, uc san francisco had a study in july that showed that one in three young adults ages 18 to 25 are at risk for severe effects of covid simply because we have a higher proportion of young adults in that college age range, university range, that are obese and that use things like e-cigarettes. so we already know that now young people are driving the tra