the white house didn't function like a normal white house. we can imagine the obama white house. obama's time mapped down to the minute. if you wanted to meet with him book it months or weeks in advance. the trump white house run in an ad hoc way and ab normal way that in some ways old washington hands would say oh wow, this is great. such a trove. that assumes that they follow the rules and the laws and that assumes that people were actually being badged in or waved in or brought in as visitors in appropriate ways and not just opening the door for mike flynn and friends to come right on in to run up to the residence. i think it remains to be seen how helpful the documents are and trump could be helped by the fact that they didn't follow the basic norms and laws of the presidential records act in office. >> that said, they didn't communicate in morse code. the colleague kyle cheney with reporting of the phone records category. the january 6 panel seeks phone records. the january 6 select committee issued a subpoena for phone records of alex jones. a sign of the panel's deepening i

white house. people said they were spying on the white house. then there is a pushback. it says the information was from 2014 to 2017, that's the obama house, not the trump white house it's mostly the obama white house but trump had been president for three weeks. we don't know what part of this durham fix is relevant. for durham's purposes, the obama information is relevant. he's not misrepresenting that it's obama information. it's relevant because what they were trying to do with the clinton campaign is cherry pique information and package it to suggest there was a nefarious relationship between trump and russia. durham is saying if you look at the full context of the information it's clear there was nothing unusual or suggestive of being nefarious in connection with what was going on in the trump facilities and russia. >> rodney joffe has a tech firm. did he work for hillary clinton's camp and the dnc, same thing. did he do what his government contract told him to do? did he start looking into a trump-russia connection, and when there was none, dishe trump it up? pun intended. >> if the question is was he signed on like an offici

white house has yet to confirm. also scheduled to be on the line, leaders of france, germany, united kingdom, nato, and more. i am joined now by david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama it like to be in the white house juggling a crisis -- a serious geopolitical crisis like this? one, that the american people may not be as concerned about, though, as they are about other things, like inflation, like their daily lives here. how -- you know, what are the conversations in the oval office? >> well, look. you can't ignore a crisis like this. this is a frontal assault on the -- you know, the -- the global order. and on the -- the sovereignty of nations. so, you can't ignore that. uh, but you do that knowing that you are focusing on this and attention is focused on this, and probably not on what people are talking about around their kitchen table. president did go forward today, and have an event out in the count are i on country on infrastructure. so they are trying to keep a normal schedule for him but the focus in the white house is very much on this and it has to be. >> you wrote an opinion piece in "the new york times" about how you think president biden needs to start

arrangement, the news outlets had with their buddies in deep state in democrat party in the obama white houseey wanted any negative information they could get about the new outsider businessman candidate who said things and did things that disrespected their polite society and their elite status, they were willing to collude. only collusion was between democrat, government agency and media which was happen to push it out, i tell, i did the interview, you are going through item after item. i am thinking, i hope he is right. i hope he knows -- reality is. most people in media don't have experience in government that you do with constitutional back ground. to connect the dotted dots, say, woe. this is a lot more than individual stories, you add them together it is a scheme, to question back to you, did media count on no one connecting the dots? did they think we could do this, it the be treated unchrysler. uncriticaly. mark: probably. at cnn, said can i prove a fisa warrant was issued? i said to myself, god help us, if this is what media is made up of mental bafoons? do i have subpoena power? i

it was easy to push this message the obama white house was a threat to people's gun rights. they wanted to restrict people's ability to have firearms which it was easy to sell that message, to fund raise and increase membership. they went in, they went all in for donald trump. more than the trump super pac. and and the ad by. they increased their support. so necessary donald trump be elected. they were willing to double down at that point. grew in the obama era and becomes an undoing during the trump era. because of the way the incentives are, in the trump era, they have a strategic plan how to make ends need, with money coming in and as this contraction in the organization to bubble up to the surface and many of these and other investigations into the top. >> host: in 2012, horacek shooting at sandy hook. ten years prior, the nra says we oppose guns in schools, and they have a decision to make as an organization. they can back down or double down and they chose to double down. what is your insight into the decision they made and how it has played out for them as an organiza

. >> and with me is former cia director and secretary of defense in the obama administration and former white househief of staff. and vladimir putin's troops have been there for weeks. what do you think he's weighing right now? he says he's withdrawing and the state department says they don't see signs of withdrawal and in fact, they sooi see signs his troops are moving closer in some parts. >> andrea, i think this is still a very dangerous moment. and the possibility of something happening like an invasion is still very real. problem is that this may very well be round one. in what will be ea long, long military and diplomatic standoff between the united states and russia that, in many ways, could determine the fuch rb of our relationship and of the ukraine. the fact is we have disrupted putin at this point. he usually likes to operate in the dark. we forced him to operate in the own. we've made clear he's going to pay a price. i think that has disrupted his strategy. i think the president made that clear that we're unified with our i allies. we're going to continue to stand strong and make sure h

it was the day before that i was at the white house, the obama white house, for a transition lunch and while i was there, upstairs they were cooking this out. call me, brandon, suzanne rice, barack obama. they were being briefed on what was going to happen. guess what i learned today. the clinton people have no faith in her. no confidence in her competence. they had to cut corners and cheat and lie. they had to perfume the pig. have to make the candidate something she is not. we had tremendous faith in our candidate to get the job done. to go out there and connect with people. "the washington post" "abc news" poll during the end of the 2016 campaign said that 62% of americans had hillary was neither honest nor trustworthy. her campaign knew that wasn't the case. they had to hurry up and do other things to tried to get her over the finish line. then when she failed to win in 2016, they were still trying to get her in there. very quickly, sussman, you've got to look at these names. these are folks who in the case, he pled guilty and was charged with altering an email that led to the lisa

when they were flush with money and it was easy for them to kind of push this message that the obama white house or the obama administration was a threat to people's gun rights or wanted to restrict people's ability to have firearms. it was easy to sell that message to fundraise and increase membership and that worked for a time. in fact, it worked until one of the greatest successes of the nra, which is the election of donald trump. they went in they went all in for donald trump. they spent more than 30 million dollars on his first selection campaign more even than the trump. super pac. did that cycle one thing that's interesting in misfire. is that when everyone was fleeing from donald trump? after the axis hollywood tapes all his republican allies fleeing that the nra actually increased their ad by and increase their support, they thought that it was so necessary that donald trump be elected that they were willing to kind of double down at that point. but that arrogance that grew during the obama era really becomes an undoing during the trump era because ironically because of the way the ince

to claim the white house visitor logs are classified, as donald trump has been trying to, is virtually impossible, since the obama white house and now the biden white house, have routinely made public their own white house visitor logs. the biden white house counsel, in a letter, telling the national archives to release the trump white house visitor logs to the genesis committee said, quote, as a matter of policy, and subject to-limited exceptions, the biden administration voluntarily disclose as such visitor logs on a monthly basis. the obama administration follow the same practice. the majority of the entries over which the former president has asserted executive privilege, would be publicly released under current policy. accordingly, president biden does not uphold the former presidents assertions of privilege. he therefore instruct you to provide to the select committee the records and portions of records identified as privileged by the former president. leading off our discussion tonight, tim o'brien, senior columnist, he is the author of the book, trump nation. philip brought, near an attorney and contribut

it was easy for them to push this message that the obama white house or the obama administration was a threat to people's gun rights. wanted to restrict people's ability to have firearms. it was easy to sell that message to fund raise and increase membership. and that worked for a time. in fact it worked until with the greatest successes of the entering which is the election of donald trump. they went all in for donald trump where they spent more than $30 million on his campaign more even than the trump super packed it in that cycle but one thing that is interesting and misfire is thatd what everybody after e access hollywood takes the nra actually increased their ad buy. it increased their support. they thought it was so necessary that donald trump be elected they were willing to kind of double down at that point. but that arrogance that grew during the obama era really becomes an undoing during the trump era. tbecause ironically way the incentives are they really hit achish crunch in the obama era i'm sorry in the trump era because there were strategic plans on how to make when mon

ceramics stated it's alive and well and under obama's white house james tommy, john brennan knew fulll what she was doing according to the declassified note in 2020 yet both agencies trained on the 45th president no american president no american should be easily penetrated political gain i hope the vacancies and actors will happen to find his election offensive in his compartment picky. but that is what happens what happened? jake sullivan, hillary's policy advisor must have special at the time he stated in october 2016 computer scientists apparently uncovered a server linking the trump administration will russia act. hillary we tweeted the both perpetrated by the clamping to sway voters and didn't work so they kept going once trump was elected he would be impeached. once james tommy was five, he leaked information to his professor friend the mueller investigation commenced. came up with this idea dyspnea from? jake sullivan? hillary herself? should both be indicted in sullivan fired immediately. he's present biden's national security advisor now, eating the war complaining russia uk

. >> ben, it strikes me that you know this better than anyone from your work in the obama white houseuse, that the russians really know how to control the propaganda machine. they would announce the results of a meeting, their version, before the trump white house would get a statement out that the meeting was taking place in the oval office. we've seen exactly how good a choes chess player sergey lavrov is. this meeting between blinken and lavrov, if it takes place, so far it seems this administration has smartly, by declassifying intelligence and preempting some of putin's moves really controlled the narrative as much as they can. >> it's been interesting to watch and i'm hugely supportive of this. in 2014, it was a struggle just to declassify overhead imagery of russian military equipment going into ukraine. huge kudos to the biden administration and admiral haynes to essentially allow them to control the perception globally that vladimir putin is the aggressor. what's interesting is that may not have any effect on vladimir putin. that's important to keep allies together. what's in

they're not happy with the degree of compliance, which i should notice, my wife worked at the obama white house it's not like -- it's not some law that no one ever in forces. lott white house takes this line extremely seriously. extremely. they do complaints trainings on this. there's a whole set of processes in place. what is the national archives finding out and whether they requesting as they go through their own documents? >> the national archives basically found out, they realize that there was some things that they would've expected on what -- would have been turned over with the regular process is. for instance, what former president trump describes as the love letters between himself and kim jong-un. the letter that former president barack obama left him which is a tradition between presidents. you and your viewers might remember where trump used sharpie to alter the course of a hurricane to make it a -- conform with the path he wanted. so he realized this stuff was missing and they began asking questions and the first thing that happened, which we recorded, was they sent a team down to

and it was easy for them to kind of push this message that the obama white house oval boma administrationwas a threat to people's gun rights, or wanted to restrict people's ability to have firearms. it was easy to sell that message to fund-raise. increase membership. and that worked for a time. in fact, it worked until one of the greatest successes of the nra which is the election of donald trump. they went all in for donald trump. i spent more than $30 million of his personal election campaign, more even then the trump super pac did in that cycle. the interesting thing in this fire is that when everyone was fleeing from donald trump after the access hollywood tapes, all his republican allies were fleeing, that the nra actually increased their ad buy and support. they thought it was so necessary. they were willing to double down at that point. but that arrogance that grew during the obama era really becomes an undoing during the trump era, because ironically because of the way of the incentives, it really hit a cash crunch in the obama era, sorry, in the trump era, because they made no st

elizabeth: they have been accessing data on trump since 2014 under the obama white house.is fewer than 1000 times on trump. that is what special counsel durham is finding and he is ratcheting it up. it looks like they gave the documents, the story also to the cia in 2017. "the new york times" already reported agency two in the durham court documents is the cia. this is internet back channel to talk to russia's alfa bank out of the trump organization. the fbi debunked that as hotel marketing emails. nbc ran with the story. cnn ran with the story. hillary's team delivered the debunked story. trump said they are spying. the media said no, they're wrong. congressman, the people in this country people still believe what they watch on msnbc is true and it is factual. it is not should all the guys in the media give back awards they won? >> certainly. won pulitzer's. made reputations. they never apologized or held to account. what about people in the biden administration right now? jake sullivan is national security advisor. look what happened to mike flynn having an off interview

joining us is former health policy director in the obama white house. thank you very much.think this is too soon? is it appropriate? weighing the equities of what school children, especially toddlers, use in wearing masks in the early years. >> and some, like new jersey, have left autonomy to individual schools, which i think is the right approach when we're thinking about masks. today is too soon. if you look at the mask of covid cases, the entire country is lit up red. we're still at the number of cases per day we were at the peek of delta. we're still seeing cases and sadly unvaccinated ones under the age of four and a thousand deaths in the younger age group that can be prevented. i would like the see mandates stay in place until we have vaccinate everybody. >> in terms of the risk benefit ratio, even when we have vaccines available for the younger children, we've seen a low vaccination rate among young children already and don't they face a decline to development speech and especially needs, their parents are particularlyfected. i'm just saying what a number of educato

>> because of my own experience in the obama white house. reduce the brunt of the great recession, and yet it hit very hard. millions of people were suffering, people lost their homes, people lost their jobs. and, you know, the compulsion on the part of an office holder is to say here's what we are doing, and you want credit for what you're doing, and you want people to see progress even if it's slow in coming. but you have to link up to where people are in their lives, and when you claim, you know -- make lavish claims of progress, i think people are rightfully irritated by that. you know, we have been through, don, and you talked about it many times, this will go down in history as one of the great traumatic periods of all time for america. this pandemic, you know, we're closing in on a million lives lost, many, many people sick. we all know the story. everybody is isolated for months and months and years. parents dealing with children who, you know, can't go to school or when they go to school the rules are shifting. you've seen it in men

white house. they were spying on the trump white house!” and this data all came from 2016. this was obama thing ridiculous. but there is no accusation in the filing that the clinton campaign paid this technology company that was-- had a role helping to run the white house server. in fact, the money flow, if anywhere, went the other direction. >> brangham: the way that this is being portrayed in conservative media, that this is blockbuster, brand-new information that durham has finally, after years of investigation, revealed-- is that true? >> this was one of the problems that we at the new york times, for example, had on friday night when this filing came out is, that we had reported the essence of this back in october. but it was being presented as new in the right-wing media ecosystem. and then combined with that was their leaping to the conclusion, which mr. durham did not say, but maybe insinuated, that this was trump white house data. >> brangham: given the way that this thing has sort of morphed into a completely sort of mutant story, do you think that-- that mainstream press ought

correspondent, pete williams, and the hill correspondent, leon caldwell, and josh dossy and former obama white house press secretary, robert gibbs. we're wondering what will be happening at doj given the request by the national archives? what can you tell us? >> i think it's just too soon to tell. there doesn't seem to be a high level of concern about this at this point. it's clear that archives did ask justice for the reviews on this and they said have your inspector general look at it and that has been done and there's some kind of referral to justice, but it's a long way from saying there's going to be an investigation or the investigation would lead to anything. it seems especially difficult to think this would be an investigation of donald trump because it's unlikely he was the one that loaded up all the boxes from the white house. presidents don't usually do the moving chores when it comes to leaving the white house. for all those reasons, katy, i think at this point it doesn't seem like it's going to lead anywhere, but it's too soon to tell. >> too soon to tell, but if it does lead anywhere,

link up to the lived experience of people and there is an impulse and look, we felt it in the obama white houseulse to report on all the good things you've done, and all the efforts you've made and the progress that it's produced, but if you do that too energetically, without regard to what people are feeling, without regard to the fact that we've gone through an epic national trauma from which people are still recovering, then you're not going to be heard. and joe biden is well equipped to do that. he is a guy who has natural empathy, he is middle class joe from scranton and that's the guy who needs to show up as the president of the united states on march first when he speaks to the nation and congress. >> has he been trying to jaw bone people? what made you write this? did you see him slipping into something that want going to do well for him. >> well i watched his press conference on the anniversary of his inauguration and wanted energetically to report on everything he had done, like report card day, and i felt it was off-key and when he was asked what to learn from the last year, he said

but it wasaf the day before seah that i was at the white house, the obama white house for a transition lunch and while i was down maybe mess upstairs, they were cooking this up comey, brennan, susan rice, joe biden, barack obama. they were all being clapper. of course they were all being briefed about what was going to happen at trump tower the next day. that's number one . number two, guess what i learned today yet again, the clinton people have no faith in her. there's no confidence oror competence. they have to cut corners. they have to cheat. a.th they have toey lie. ve to make they have the perfume, t the pin they have to make the candidate something she's not. we had had tremendous faith in r candidate to get the job done toto go out there and connect with people. you know, the washington post as the 2016ll during campaign said that 62 percent of americans said hillary was neither honest trustworthy.t no. her campaign knew that wasn't her campaign knew that was the case. so they hadth to they had todo hurry up and do other things to try to get her over the finish line. and then w

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with us now brett burrow who served as director of local engagement on the obama white house pride. o read this is one of the protester outside the white house. he says quoting here "i came here today to ask our president to impose better sanctions on russia because the sanctions he announced to be honest are not really enough" i wonder if instead of the sanctions may beat his time, brett, what tell me what you think. is a time that the united states immediately stop buying oil and gasoline from russia? >> well i think we should stop buying the whole range of products from russia. in fact, i think would be a great idea if we simply cut off exports from russia to the united states. now, obviously the folks will say, yeah, what about the price of the pump? but the problem, trace, is that if we let putin continue on this will create more instability and it will create more cost. so that's why i think a strong stance on economic sanctions from the long run is going to save the american people greater economic hardship. >> yeah, today press secretary jen psaki was asked about diplomacy is

the obama white house council of economic advisors, she is on the federal reserve board in chicago.eone who is imminently qualified and yet when we're talking about someone's qualifications it's all focused on her. i don't think -- it is not coincidental that she's black and it's not coincidental that she's also a brak woman who is being put through this. i just have to say as an american and certainly as an african american, it pains me to see someone who works so hard, who's given so much to the people and the institutions she's worked with, but also, to her country. to then have to sit before members of the senate, who question who she is, what she's done and what value she brings. how these folks, anyone who sits before these confirmation hearings is able to sit through that, and not just lose it to defend themselves and to defend where they come from and who they are is a testament to why they should be confirmed to the positions that they've been nominated to. >> woodruff: the last thing i want to turn both of you to and that is a subject in the news this past week. rising vio

turning to more on the ukraine crisis, deputy national security adviser from the obama white house, jonallen, who has led nato forces and is now president of the brookings institution. general allen, react to this. obviously, it's not a good sign if we catch russia lying about de-escalation. >> chuck, thanks for having me on. good to see you, ben. this is the 21st century. conflict occurs not just in the physical domain and your pentagon correspondent was correct, focusing on tanks and airplanes, et cetera, but much of the conflict in the 21st century occurs in the information domain and the cyber domain. in that record, we have seen the russians manipulating the information domain dramatically throughout the last several weeks and attacking in the cyber domain infrastructure within ukraine. in some respects it's so unbalance ukrainian leadership and the ukrainian population, but it's also to prepare the battle space potentially for physical operation. so the fact that the russians are lying shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. in fact, anyone who knows anything about information ope

. >> and a former obama white house official has second thoughts. >> there is no other way to look atng republicans who are down playing the invasion. >> some these far right -- on the far right are openly siding with president putin and it's not just congress or radio shock jocks it's the former president. >> mitt romney isn't exactly gloating but events have forced the president to a long overdue reappraisal. sometimes the media group think of the moment turns out to be wrong even if it takes an invasion to prove it bret? >> bret: howie, thank you. we are back with our panel. mara, it is amazing the evolution of that moment and then kind of looking back at what russia has done since then and where we are at this moment. >> yeah, there were moments that the united states thought that there could be a kind of peaceful association with russia and just the way thee thought that somehow china if it was brought into the world trading organization would adopt liberal western rules on the economy that just didn't turn out there. has been reassessment of that comment by romney. also, republi

there were similar sanctions put in place by the obama white house at the time in conjunction with europely tries to cut off any of the leaders in that area, anybody who is involved in doing business in that area and trying to cut off frankly these russian invented people's republic from the pro bowl economy. these are not the russian sections on uncertain specific response than they have two really rug-invented republicans. >> that's han important piece of context and pc drop then. peter and even -- the biden administration and officials through youmpt the biden administration have been clear about looking to inconvenient a declass for war as she knows from her work with the -- how do you see that as somebody noted a someone who knows intel and white house intel security. >> what they have about able to do is they have eacceptsly predicted and called every single test that poutin has taken. the cleansing or genocide against russians in eastern ukraine followed by the political formal recognition of these republics, that basically gives putin whatever pretext he wants to say that he has t

>> well, where i'm coming from is the experience of having been in the obama white house during the first- we did many things that we felt were important that did produce progress, but it wasn't progress people were feeling immediately in their lives. i mean, we get a better jobs report, we want to tout that. but that's not the mood people were in. so you have to be careful. you talk about the crises the president faces, but really he needs to focus on the crises people feel in their lives. people were out of sync after two years of historic epic trauma in this pandemic with all its permutations including economic inflation is in part -- in no small part a result of the pandemic and the things that were done to deal with it and the things that it did to the supply chain. so the important thing for him -- and he should come by this naturally, because he's very good at this, unusually good for politicians is to speak to people what's going on in their lives and give them a sense of understanding what's going on in their lives without looking and trying too hard to tell them what a great job

somebody with a ba from spelman and oxford and a phd from university of california berkeley, the obama white houseic advisers, on the federal reserve board in chicago -- i mean, this is someone who is imminently qualified, and yet when we talk about someone's qualifications, it is focused on her. i don't think -- it is not coincidental that she is black and it is not coincidental that she is also a black woman who is being put through this. i just have to say, as an american and certainly as an african-american, it pains me to see someone who works so hard, who is given so much, to the people in the institutions she has worked with but also to her country to sit before members of the senate who question who she is, what she has done, and what value she brings, how the folks, anyone who sits before these confirmatio hearings, is able to sit through that and not just lose it to defend themselves and defend where they come from and who they are is a testament to why they should be confirmed to the positions they have been nominated to. judy: the last thing i want to turn both of you too, and that is

to recent of the wall street journal and author of the new book the black boom, joanna former obama white houseand jury executive washington editor of the wall street journal. welcome to all of its great to spend the sunday morning with you. joanna i'll start with you first. we heard friday a major shift in town from the white house communications on ukraine when jake told and stepped up to the microphone at the white house friday. did you make of that heightened sense did you sense the urgency from the administration we heard from him? it's wonderful to see you again. great to join jason on the super bowl sunday. i'm absolutely concerned about we should all be concerned. now some french i packed the thing about china the next hot 100 years. this wasn't about russian feuding and renovating it crane it's china watching russia invade ukraine. those subsequent events that could happen. we've got russia and china now saying to all of us that working together in artificial intelligence, on internet, on climate, and all these things. so while i appreciate the administration is moving forcefully lease

. >> joining us now, former obama white house press secretary robert gibbs.republican national committee chairman, michael steele, usa today's washington bureau chief susan page, and first tv appearance as nbc correspondent, yamiche alcindor. robert gibbs, first to you, how does the president tackle ukraine with the speech tomorrow instead of the domestic priorities, should it become the major focus, is he the foreign policy leader, does he pivot, what does he do? >> andrea, i think he's got to walk and chew gum at the same time, and likely talk about both of them. i tend to believe still, the economy is the biggest focus in this speech. if you look at the public polling out this weekend, it is the economy that's the biggest challenge that he has. i do think you can twin these together because in reality, the american people are likely to see their food prices and their energy prices go up as a result of what's happening in ukraine and europe. and i think this is a moment for joe biden to speak plainly and simply to the american people about what's at stake i

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also, jesse moore, former obama white house speechwriter, democratic strategist, and founder of commonf us have been talking about exactly what the former environment had to say, how huge, how ground breaking, going against his former boss, stepping out on former president trump. it seems as if it matters more to democrats than to republicans. by republicans, i mean republican voters. we haven't necessarily heard from legislators as much. weigh in on that for me. >> yeah, yasmin, that's a really great point. a good percent of republican voters still believe that the election was taken away from former president trump. many of them still believe that the former president was not done properly, if you will, that's a phrase i have heard from quite a few republicans as i have traveled the country, but yasmin, i have also heard from a lot of republican voters as i travel the country that while they have an affinity toward former president trump and while if he runs again, they're going to give him another look, going to support him, they're also open to someone else. i think a lot of republ

during the trump administration and brett bruen, former director of global engagement in the obama white house. i just want to ask -- we have to talk about this going forward. you see the traffic coming out of kyiv and there apparently was no plan for it you wonder what the plan was, what the thoughts were and what they were hoping against in the days that led up to this. there doesn't appear to be a solid plan on how to get people that want to leave ukraine outside the borders. >> look. first and foremost, we have to acknowledge the ukrainians by and large have been incredibly courageous in the face of unimaginable threats. and that i think is the real story here. president zelenskyy first and foremost really providing his countrymen the example. for that matter, the west an example of how you stand up to president putin. people are scared after having seen the attacks overnight and i think it is not surprising you see folks heading into their cars, heading to the west. obviously that is playing out right now on the streets of kyiv and elsewhere. let's not lose sight of the fact that ukrainia

and yes, president members did enjoy a close relationship with the obama white house and with the trump administration. but many of the security analysts that we've spoken to the political experts in honduras say that because the united states has this sort of unofficial tradition of not pursuing legal action against sitting presidents, especially those that are considered allies of the united states. us authorities were simply waiting for the moment that president at an end is term in office was over for the united states to pursue extradition, which is what we're seeing play out now. i know rafa, thank you very much indeed. if he appears parliament has voted for an early end to 6 months, state of emergency, it was declared in november when rebels from the northern to grey region, the 2nd to march on the capital at his habit. they've since retreated and security has improved. state of emergency was supposed to last until may. united nations is welcome to move. it is also calling for the release of people detained during the conflict. this is a decision that we very much welcome and for

the obama white house was receipt sent to have nuclear powers come to blows.s to ukraine, a debate whether to provide offensive weapons. it was all true. in the intervening years we watched the ukraine military get much better and watched our intelligence get much better as clapper just said. i think what the administration tried to do was just declassify amazing amounts of intelligence to sort of shame putin out of invasion. it doesn't look like it worked. they attempted it. doesn't look like it worked. the sanctions have to go stronger and more personal. we'll do banks, of course we'll do certain sectors. get the oligarchs that support pooutins, wives, mistresses, ability for their kids to go to foreign university. you can hold these people up in a more severe way. >> bill: why wait? you make a great point. >> at this point i think we're seeing what putin is doing in realtime. we've been watching it. he has made this crazy speech that compliments what he is doing along the border. so i think we're seeing his plan play out and just go for it and throw the boo

former obama white house director. global engagement. let's start off with you.ly about nato, saying that training centers in ukraine amount to nato bases. the admission is a direct threat to russia's security. he also said something that was very ominous. he said "kyiv must stand by and donbas, and if it doesn't, it will be responsible for any future bloodletting." kind of a day or. gloves are off. >> i think what is really ominous about putin speech is not just what it portends for ukraine's future, but some of the language he used, a number of former soviet republics, and you can hear the reverberations across eastern europe and western europe where there is a lot of concern. where does putin stop? where does this thing end? it is so critically important both here in washington as well as in brussels that there is a robust response to this because putin certainly has ambitions that don't stop in kyiv. >> sandra: dan, i want to get your response to the european commission putting out a statement saying "the recognition of the trico separate territories in ukrai