he's not charged for violating lobby lost presenting foreign government to the obama white house whiler is vice president, we are talking business partnerships ukraine, china and russia and elsewhere. what you make of the taxpayers, do they have the right to know anyone connected to the u.s. attorney's office visited the delaware vacation home or met with anyone in the white house? secret services to visitor logs to his home. >> you packed a lot there. let's back up a bit he pointed out something there isn't enough reporting on, how broad was the investigation? if this is just an investigation of hunter biden's tax problems or filling out a form incorrectly, why haven't the broader allegations raised even look that by somebody in the department of justice? we have no answer. elizabeth: what are you talking, referring to? >> the broader investigation of influence peddling involving the only hundred biden but his uncle and potentially the president. what element is really investigating this? we don't know. we assume the attorney's office may have looked but we don't know that for sure. i

we got to deal with this, a new report from the daily mail, obama white house warned then vice presidentit with an irs audit in 2008 over self-employment taxes. the daily masses a copy of the hard drive working with experts on this, what is your thought? >> it will be adjusting. we are finally coming out with hunter biden truths. as activities we know have been dirty and truth be told his father was understanding or knowledgeable of what was going on so if he has tax filings, we can follow the trail and other things once the fbi d.o.j. does their job speech at the president's position doesn't know anything about hunter, looking less serious by the day and question his move an corporation from 2017 and 18 for speaking fees and book revenue to avoid estimates half-million dollars in medicare taxes. >> it's sad when this president is not being truthful with the american people on different accounts and this will blow up, it's going to blow up and look bad on the president. elizabeth: of the president said, moving on to this about fraud and pandemic programs and student bailout, democrats wa

i've even mentioned the bullets the residence of the white house, mrs. obama goes bananas over this. >> you're the first lady and you find out from the white house asher five days after the fact that the house that your children were in that you were shot out when youou are away. it's not a good way to learn the information. much less the first lady. >> extraordinary. >> we get into the trump years and what are the big takeaways from your relationship. there are a lot of cost with the trump administration we found it at the time and reporting to the college of the post what were finding out now were in access of what we knew and access abnormal standards that they should've been. a whole lot of people were protected in the trump use by the service, significantly more that were protected in then administration. >> in fact it was breaking the bank there were 42 people including the president. prat one point the head of the department of homeland security, john kelly who ended up being the chief of staff tries to get some people to give up their detail because th

didn't even mention the bullets that pierced the residents of the white house, and mrs. obama goes bananas over this, right? >> yes. if you're the first lady and you find that from the white house usher five days after the fact that the house that your children were in was shot at while you are away, it's not a good way to learn the information if you're a mom come much less a first lady. >> extraordinary. we get into the trump years and what are the big takeaways from the relationship between trump and -- first of all, the cost, the were a lot of costs associate with the trump administration that we either found out at the time thanks to reporting under codes at the posted where are for in excess of what we need an far in excess of what by normal standards of the should've been. a whole lot of people were protected in the trump years by the service, significantly more than had been protected in a normal administration. >> in fact, it was breaking the bank. there were 42 people including the president. at one point the heads and come of the department of homeland security john

all right, my panel here in washington d.c., the former official in the obama white house, global affairs analyst, and chief of staff for former homeland security, kyrsten nielsen. here is the thing, tell me, the idea here that we have been popular leaders, we don't have that problem here, right? everyone loves our leadership. your eyes are coming out of your head now, what is your thought? >> i worked for the most popular president in the united states, honestly most popular that has ever been -- yeah, we know about this, we know about unpopular leaders, we know it all too well. but why is this the case? why do we have unpopular leaders winning? i am going to go straight in, it is because of how hyper polarized our electorate has gotten, and both parties have tried to look in their gains, gerrymandered the heck out of the map, and now it is harder and harder for non extremists to win elections. the fringes are making decisions for 90% of america. 10% is making the decisions for 90%. the result is that the sensible center has been left out, and our democracy is increasingly becoming on co

trip, every meeting, and obviously, he's taken some iconic shots. >> he's been the white house -- then president obamant obama worked in the white house for eight years, and pete souza worked in the white house for 16 years because he served as a white house photographer for the eight years of the reagan administration, before going to work in the obama administration. in his new book the west wing and beyond, but i saw inside the presidency, pete sousa brings us back stage in a way that no one else can. here is bruce springsteen rehearsing in the obama white house. here is an oval office visitor who doesn't seem to have an appointment quite yet. and here is gene sperling in a roosevelt room deciding he better move the chair to a better spot. joining us now is former chief official white house photographer, pete souza, whose book is the west wing and beyond, what i saw inside the presidency. pete, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you have done it again, i have turned every page of this book more than once. and it has that just amazing backstage feel of a documentary. that seems to be what y

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elizabeth: even obama's top economist jason furman is saying on inflation obliterates the white houseing to blame putin or claiming is transitory. >> that somebody we should probably listen to considering he walked in the biden obama white house source not a right wing trying to take down the biden of administration, he knows little about the way and economy works and when you inject trillions of dollars into the economy and then the audacity to say this will lower inflation through inflationary reduction act, any kid with a lemonade stand knows that's not how the economy works and you look at the midterms coming up, abc news, washington post polls show the economy, education and inflation and crime are easily the top four issues. abortion is a distant fifth. january 6 virtually nonexistent so we have a media focusing on the guy who wasn't in power or isn't in power and hasn't been for 21 months and donald trump instead of focusing on joe biden and democrats and what they are doing to the economy and priorities are worked because they are not journalists anymore. elizabeth: there's no

given what is going on with republicans, not everywhere but jim messina, president of barack obama's white house's 2012 reelection effort. his skills shepherding healthcare into law. he was kind enough to join us now. welcome. >> thanks for having me. neil: i mentioned the exception of this race in maryland, not across the board but it is a tough year for democrats, might be missing something in the polls, apart from the ones there, don't look good politically. do you agree with recent sentiment that they could lose the house in the senate? >> history is important. or years, since world war ii, three senate seat and 28 house seats. americans like divided government, the president's party typically gets thereir bt kicked, 26 of the most important races, that's a pretty tall order. neil: the map favors them in the senate. is there a breakdown? >> i don't think yet. if you look at the early numbers, you talked about this. i hate polling, polling is garbage and wrong every two years. i look at the real numbers. 12 million americans have voted. looking where the parties are coming out strongly we wil

a hearing in december of 2016, in which we had the ethics czar from the bush white house, and the ethics are from the obamause, norman eisman, and they both were on a bipartisan basis that the monuments clause, which is a fancy word for saying the president cannot in which himself while in office, is in the constitution. and it's against the constitution for the president of united states to do exactly what the trump family did, which was in which himself at the government expense, with a least, a public lease that should not have been granted to him once he became president, and what became the trump hotel downtown. at least, that was granted to him by the general services administration. so, all of this has its roots in that. and nobody at the time wanted to pay any attention to the fact that there would be inherent and myriad conflicts of interest, once donald trump took that oath. because he had the downtown washington, he had properties all over the world, and he was going to exploit that fact to enrich himself and his family. and that's precisely what he did in front of everybody's eyes. you just rep

that really is interesting, but the obama white house made everything disappear? fair the irs sent the letter to joe biden, it's about his 2008 tax returns and then he got one of his whit house lawyers involved very teacup one of the white house official lawyers involved tryin to fix this problem with the irs . then, the white house lawyer go in touch with hunter biden, why did you do that. >> keep digging into that laptop . more and more surprises seem to be appearing. thank you so much. >> thank you, jesse. >> jesse: the 70s and 80s were the golden age of serial killers rate 80 percent operate between 1970 and 1990. ted bundy, john wayne gacy, the night stalker, jeffrey dahmer, terrified the country for decades, every night, the grisl murders were seared into the american psyche through newsreels. >> he is a confessed serial killer, his savage saga of murder shocked the whole countr this past summer. >> between 1970 to and 1978, building contractor john wayne gacy turned his home in norwood park, illinois into a morgue after killing 33 young boys he packed many

white house staff used my private electronic messaging. how serious might this be? >> fred, i think it's serious. when i worked in the obamarules on document preservation were part of my portfolio, and i explained to everybody from the president and the then vice president on down, look, if you don't follow the rules and use official government email for all of your communications, you can get in civil or even criminal trouble. we already see the former president, who is under criminal investigation for mishandling government records, and he may not be the last one to come under investigation. >> all right. we'll leave it there for now. norm eisen, good to see you. thanks so much. >> thanks, fred. >>> still to come, inside the all new episodode of cnn's new original series "the murdochs: empire of influee," and who is beg set up as the new successor. (dock work) right on time. (vo) ke it even smarter. we call this enterise intelligence. enjoy two pancakes, two eggs your way, and two pieces of bacon for only $5. the two by two by two from ihop. hurry in and enjoy this deal for a limited time. download the app and earn free

. >>> a new book from president obama's top speech writer takes us behind the scenes of the white houseamacare, a court decision the same-sex marriage but his speech at mother emanuel after the killing of nine worshipers, including nine. the speech writer describing the tension of collaborating with president obama on the concept for the speech and then repeated drafts up until the last moment, including the president's unrehearsed decision to break into singing "amazing grace." ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound ♪ >> it was remarkable. joining us now is cody keenan, former chief writer for president obama. and author of "grace." it's so good to see you. congratulations. >> thank you, nice to see you. >> it's just a beautiful book. to a writer, to any writer, any reader, to understand the collaboration, the way you worked with president obama on speeches and the art of your experience in the white house, let's start with those moments in 2016. the reare luck tans to speak about another shooting. his last-minute decision to sing that day in the church. describe how that came about.

my next guest spent four years as president obama's chief white house speechwriter, and has written a good to see you. >> stephen: nice to see you. for those up there who do not know, former white house speechwriter, current northwestern university professor. >> that's right. >> stephen: go, northwestern. of sometimes you answer to the nickname "hemingway,." >> yeah. >> stephen: no pressure for a writer. >> yeah. >> stephen: okay, papa, i'll bite-- how id you get the nickname hemingway? >> well, here's the dirty little secret. in the white house everybody just assumed it was because i had some heft to me. during the stay of the union address i would grow a big beard. >> stephen: huge fan of bull fighting. >> huge fan of bull fighting. it has nothing to do with that. in 2014 we were on an official trip to france and i was writing a speech for the president for the 70th anniversary of d-day. which is not really a speech you can screw up, you know. everybody knows the story of d-day. you can't mess up that story. but i busted my ass to make this the best speech anybody has given on d-day

he is a former white house press secretary under president obama. it is always good to have. assault on paul pelosi's renewing attention to this -- to the disturbing rise in threats to lawmakers. how different is this political environment compared to what you experienced in the obama white house years? >> yeah. a great question. in the very end of my tenure in the white house, gabby giffords life of senator mark kelly, he was shot at a grocery store outside of tucson. we have been dealing with hateful old discourse like the vice president talked about. there is the man asked the manifestation of violence. that has lasted for quite some time. in talking to some former colleagues who worked in the white house in the last two years, i think that the threat level that they have received is exponentially larger than the threat level that many of us underway and. even though i had an alarm system by the secret service put inside of my house when i became prosecco terry. i think that we have seen this exponential growth in this hate filled rhetoric. it is a nod to it being okay to

the venture backed by some heavy hitters including former obama white house economist jason furman, sacramentoby the way the parent company of the new york stock exchange. the cftc long resisted efforts to open up political betting in the u.s., on the grounds that the product was represent a type of gambling. people that cover the betting world, election betting would provide a very interesting twist. take a listen. >> to allow voters to bet on their own votes, i think for a regulator you see it that same way. you know at some point you're incent -- incentivizing somebody to vote for the person they necessarily align with. maybe i'm betting on him because i got seven to one. ashley: it would change the landscape. supporters say it would offer a way for americans to hedge portfolios which are affected by the whims of congress. other critics say could give financial incentive to cast votes for certain candidates. political insiders could use the contracts to profit on non-public information. we're still awaiting a decision by the cftc. it could come anytime now. there are reports that claim the

, he makes the argument and talks about this, the idea of elliott williams here and a former obama white house senior director. cnn legal analyst here. i'm so excited to talk and hear your opinions. what do you make of this discussion? i mean the whole, look, i know i'm not a politician but that's a good thing. is it persuasive? >> he's trying to tie warnock to biden and yes, biden's overall numbers in georgia are polling they don't think the country is headed in a good direction but two-thirds of georgians will say they would encourage friends and family move to georgia. they think things in georgia itself is great. we're seeing a split ticket. 10% of republican voters for ke kemp for governor really like warnock. it almost as if they neutralized the issue on the surface and maybe now if you're able to look at the issues. >> when you think about race issues in georgia and the conversations up until now is law enforcement in part and that was one of the ways they tried to get at herschel walker and also raphael warnock. listen to the exchange. you hear what they had to talk about. it was discu

here with us we have former obama white house senior director niara huff and former nfl receiver dante stallworth and rob brownstein is back with us. was this study commissioned by 12-year-old boys? >> conducted by 12-year-old boys. >> no. it was the national institutes of health and so i'm stunned because i'm one of the parents who have been saying it rots your brain and stop it. i also think socially and for human interaction it's not good, but maybe it's better than i thought it was. >> i think games have changed over the years, too right? and it's important to separate the biology we know versus the cultural changes. we are all part of a generation where you have to work your thumbs, but the video games we grew up with were relatively violent and solo operations. in the pandemic we saw these younger boys having used the internet twitch land parties to be able to build these connections and maintain networks at a time when girls in junior high and high school were struggling because their social networks imploded. the challenge and i'm really curious about exactly what games were st

elizabeth: hunter biden was lobbying the state department during the obama white house while vice presidentair on behalf of hunter's overseas clients. we hear about subpoena power. the biden family deal-making including trying to sell u.s. natural gas to china out of five u.s. states, that is what house gop oversight has. let's watch tony bobulinski tell tucker carlson the biden family expected to make a lot of money off their deals with china. watch this. >> how much did hunter expect to make from his business dealings with the chinese? >> i expected to make hundreds of millions of dollars. i think the bidens probably thought they were going to make billions of dollars. elizabeth: billions, you hear that, billions of dollars? now which have reports the secret service says there are no visitor records for the president's delaware homes where he spent nearly a third of his presidency. he campaigned on transparency. if everything is aboveboard, why the secrecy? they expect to make billions of dollars off deals with china? >> first of all, it is disgusting where the presidency has gone, what t

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history tv how she experienced her eight years in the white house featuring footage from c-span's video library first. you'll hear from michelle obama in 2009 a c-span interview in her first year in the white house. she talks about how she sees the role of first lady and how she expects to grow in the job. i think every first lady brings their unique perspective to this job if you didn't you couldn't live through it. i think to the extent that this feels natural to me at any level and i would never have thought that living in the white house and being first lady would feel natural. it's because i try to make it me i try to bring a little bit of michelle obama into this but at the same time respecting and and valuing the tradition that is america's. but i think it's all an evolutionary process you grow into this role and my sense is that you never get comfortable if you're always pushing for change and growth not just in yourself, but in the issues that you care about you're never done so there's never point in time where you feel like there. i am now here and i can do this the same way all the time. it's always changing. it changes

the -- had a hearing with several prominent emphasis on the obama white house and richard -- of the bushte house, warning that donald trump had so many far flung economic enterprises that he was immediately going to be in a conflict of interest. -- -- that far exceeds with the government itself says is a reasonable price to stay in a hotel in washington, d.c. for one night. what we don't have, yet is a comprehensive list of that four-year period of secret service expenditures at donald trump properties. i think we have 40. when we issued the request of the secret service for the comprehensive list, i believe that are going to be more revelations that are going to be most unsettling to u.s. taxpayers, if this is how donald trump basically used the presidency to squeeze every financial advantage he could. >> and to that point donald trump could have -- the owner of that hotel could have complied with those regulations i put maybe $201 a night as for the charges of the rooms, but, nope. okay. -- >> alex, if i could just say remember his son eric promised that they would either provide accom

i worked in the obama white house on my brother's keeper. at the time there was a big debate of, should we even be having a program focused on black men and boys, i think this data bears out that absolutely we should. this does not mean it needs to be to the exclusion of anyone else but if you dig into the data in the biological science of brand of element, for example, boys and girls have different levels at times of brand of element. boys being a little slower as far as certain parts of the decision-making cortex and all those things, and so, our strategies should respond to that. but, to the point, and it is a great point, this change has happened so quickly, and it has been a good response to toxic masculinity, but what does it mean? in my seven black fathers, i talk about the expansion of the definition of fathers, these men who were not my biological fathers that stepped in and help keep me on track. we have to figure out better solutions, mentoring programs, different supports that address the unique needs of different men across grap

joining me now from washington is msnbc news white house correspondent, mike memoli. also with me is former obamate house director and medical director. dr. patel, there are a number of threats, i guess i should put it, for the winter season. there's you know, the pandemic, which is still lingering, obviously. covid still spreading although thankfully we have therapeutics. there's also the flu. people might not have thought much about the flu because we were inside and masked. now as many people got the flu over the past two years. but then there's this childhood respiratory disease that's really concerning. can you tell me a little bit about what's going on there and what parents need to watch out for? >> we're calling it a triple demic. it's hitting me at home personally. i've got a 5-year-old, it's about day ten into a nasty rsv illness. thankfully she's been able to be taken care of at home, but in an average year, there are about 60,000 pediatric hospitalizations and over 100,000 adult. we don't talk about that an enough. you're seeing an unusually increased amount of activity because we've

joining us now is former obama white house press secretary, robert gibbs. boston globe senior writer. kristen stays with us. brendan, a lot of people are criticizing rafael warnock. he was better in a debate that did not have walker face-to-face last night. but for not going after him more and also the format because it seemed when a moderator asks walker after all this controversy over the abortion issue when christian showed him a check and he acknowledged that was indeed his signature, but fact he was given one minute to rebut that from the moderator then warnock didn't follow up. was there a missed opportunity, brendan, do you think from the democratic incumbent senator in that debate? >> well, warnock clearly has a strategy that he doesn't think he needs to get into the mud on this and that he's hurting walker. in the second debate when walker wasn't there, he thought to bring it up. i think the debate was really good for walker in a few ways. one, he skated on this issue largely that we're discussing, but he also showed up and looked a lot more compet

if he didn't want to give them back -- take us through what would happen in the obama white house, let's say the obama oval office, or any room there -- that you were in, with president obama, where classified documents were used and handled. what happened to those documents at the end of such a meeting? >> so lawrence, for eight years i had access to the presidential daily briefing, right? so the high security clearance in the u.s. government. if i had a meeting in the situation room where they passed out documents or they were classified, or there was a pre-reads that we all got, that was classified, at the end of that meaning, those documents would be collected and destroyed. in my office, i will get the presidential daily briefing and get all kinds of intelligence reports. at the end of the day, i had a burn bag, literally a bag -- not a trash can, that i would place those documents and, and in a uniformed security agent would come to my office, collect those documents, and burn them. right? so this is the level of care that we are talking about. the most important secrets of the u.s

he was a key secret service prison in the obama white house, he was key on the president's detail inesident made him deputy chief of staff. we've never seen a secret service agent be pulled into the political staff of the white house before. the secret service obviously didn't like it and yet couldn't say no. but tony ornato is the person who was supposedly in the limo that -- >> cassidy hutchinson gave us the testimony. >> there was a big fight and trump tried to grab the steering wheel and i think they want to ask him about threat testimony which zdiffers from her about what happened in the car and i think they'll circle back to that. i think if tony ornato had live to live over again, he would never make a transition from the secret service to the political staff because it is hard to come back and then had to retire and so on. >> we'll see what they do here. jon miller, great to have you on set. thank you. >> thanks. >>> well not backing town, china's president renouncing the use of force against taiwan as he issued a stark warning to nations looking to step in. more on what that

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unemployment that you guys think, and jason furman who teaches economics at harvard and worked at the obama white house, we'll have to see two years of 6.5% unemployment. >> nthat's not the outlook i se. we raise interest rates and seeing it start to slow, and we've seen that in the housing market but you start to see that coming through with slower pace. right now we're adding without the jobs report, 300,000 jobs per month above that. we need 100,000 jobs per month to keep things where they are, to keep the unemployment rate constant. there's a lot to slow the labor market where we get into the recession areas that people are predicting. i really see us being able to slow the economy, and slow the growth. yes, unemployment but 4.5% is the right range. >> 4.5% unemployment, not 6.5%. >> that's my hope. >> we all hope that happens. senator elizabeth warren has been saying that the pain for many americans from inflation is less than what would happen if you have a recession, especially a deep recession. i want you to responsibility to what she said a few weeks ago. here she was. >> you know what's worse

they have told us that james comey was beating a path to the obama white house constantly and that theytrump-russia probe should have been handled by new york citi field offices. you know the shoe leather guys that go out to find the crime, not the politicized d.c. headquarters. when you do a fisa wiretap, it is not a one hop, two hops, even three hops. talking on the phone who you are talking to and who that person talking to is getting collected by the fbi and who else with other intelligence officials. it was a full-on dragnet into the trump team. we don't even know half of what has gone on, sam, you know what i mean? >> i dough. ii do. i think very interesting stuff to watch and other stuff comes out. another point which is contra posed what we have here. we have full-on aggressive fbi investigation without any vetting of the source on the most flimsy of cases. we know, from tony bobulinski and others who have spoken publicly information that could be verified against documents, laptops and other was brought to the same people on hunter biden. why nothing there? elizabeth: sam due w

liz: and obama white house. >> and beyond.reporter tried to get hold of. >> i want your reaction to jon stewart here's what he had to say about what's going on. >> as far as hunter biden being on the board of burisma, that's right. to me that is corruption straight up off the bat. the idea that nepotism would allow much larger amounts of money to flow into the hands of people unqualified to be in the position that they have been accepted because you think those countries are trying to buy influence, welcome to the [bleep] world. >> it's a mistake it turned out the laptop was real really, really out there because we suppress the story from an election. there was none of that, we looked at it but it's kind of business as usual. liz: congressman, when you think, final word. >> i agree what john said, these relationship with burisma is like kindergarten math class compared to his relationship with china, this is what were digging into and i'll tell you it shows he had a relationship with two potential chinese spies and undisclosed

is physician and fellow at the brookings institution, an msnbc medical contributor and former obama white house. great to talk to you. let's start right there. the swarm of new vivid variance, how worried are you about a winter surge? >> we're still hooking at almost 100,000 cases on a seven day daily average. so we're kind of in this little simmering phase and the question is how much kind of larger will that be? we're watching singapore closely. there is a variant just to make the names complicated. that is concerning people. in singapore, it is ticking upwards and there is increase in hospitalizations. key phrase there, hospitalizations are increasing. so that is something we have to keep a close watch on. we haven't seen evidence of it in the united states yet. we don't -- this is one of those variance that we suspect could evade the immunity that the vaccines provide us. all the more reason to keep our guard up and why the world health organization kept reminding us yesterday this is still a public health emergency people. we're still in a global pandemic. >> deeply, deeply worriship. >> a

you and i were at the obama white house when that was unfolding. the first time i read it was in this london telegraph article today that said there's an increasing belief that could happen. it kind of boggles the mind given where everybody thought we would be now eight months ago. >> it does because the russians are entrenched there. they have had eight years to dig in and make it their own territory. they have certain degree of support there among some of the people living there. to be able to overturn that rule ought years later, it also may indicate a certain cockiness on the part of the ukrainians. they are wondering if momentum can take themselves all the way. >> so i love the use of cockiness because you never want to get ahead of yourself, although you can understand why ukrainians are feeling we have this in control, but what are the things that might say to them to say, hold on for a second. or do you think that's really a reasonable expectation given what we're seeing on the ground right now? >> there's a lot more fighting to be had had

and former national coalitions director for biden/harris 2020 who also worked in the obama white house thanks very much to both of you. you know politics inside and out. that is, you know, sort of where you've been born and bred and spent so much time in terms of your political work as of late. you heard jeff zeleny talk about the sliver of undecided voters, and nearly a million people have already voted already in pennsylvania. how much do you think voters were swayed by this debate, how much did it matter? >> so, erin, thanks for having me on. also i'll just note, i was a chief of staff to a u.s. senator for pennsylvania for five years. so i know a little bit about the senate and how it operates. and i think, look, john fetterman had a job interview last night, which he failed m miserably. i'm not so sure how many run-of-the-mill voters are watching. but i know the media reports after which resonate amongst the pennsylvania electorate were not favorable. i heard from many democrats last night who watched and said this is cringe-worthy. i heard from a handful of independent voters in

now, jim messina, president obama's 2012 campaign manager, also deputy chief of staff to the obama white houseeo of macina group. also with us, rich lowry, editor in chief at the national review and nbc news political analysts. i want to thank you both for joining us. jim, let me start with you because i mentioned, i don't mean to bring up bad memories for the past for democrats here, but i mentioned the 2014 midterm and that obama's second midterm, the numbers on paper, when you look at the generic ballot right now, look somewhat like they did in 2014. are we looking at 2014. do you think we're looking at 2014 playing out again here, or is this something that democrats can do for that could happen in the next 17 days that could change the trend that we have seen this week? >> i am wondering whether or not it's more like 2018 you showed the numbers earlier, that was interesting, the dems had a seven-point lead since they took over the house, but in the same election, the republicans have picked up seats in the senate, because their math was better. as you look at this election, i am wondering

back when i was in the obama white house, there was a big focus on a lot of home-grown terrorists.at this kind of thing, how do they look at this and how do they balance it against what we always have the argument about, which is free speech claims? >> the answer to your question is with great difficulty. it's a monumental task for sheer volume and numbers alone to try and filter all of the potentially violent indications that occur online, number one. number two, we are understandably constrained because we have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, we don't police ideology. we almost have to wait for the violence to be articulated before someone moves in. but, at least when we're filtering and screening phrases like civil war, that is helpful to indicate where and when we should be concerned. but it is a task -- we still don't have a domestic terrorism law that would allow the law enforcement intelligence communities to reach and go, that's a problem. let's get on that right now before something happens. >> that brings us to january 6th and one of those injured in the insurrect

white house with a veto pass. >> thehe reality is the senate doesn't even necessarily have to talk about what the house is talking about. the first couple of years we had barack obama at the white house and we learned how to get things done. some things did not get passed but it was a check and balance to the system and what i believe the republicans in the senate and house need to cast a vision. some of the policies are bad for the country right now and i thinkk we also have to be pretty clear on what we are for and be able to take action should we have any opportunity to get congressional bills passed and get them to the presidents desk. >> you discussed a lot about what you are for and also about about your experiences which i want to discuss in a minute. but other than yourself those that have done a good a job casting a vision for rev republicans will do in the majorities if they win in november. >> i think it depends on the republican. what their message is those are all things they talk about. the house of representatives have been messaging what they would do if they were to get the house back. i think governing is incredibly important and also perspective.

featured author is dan pfeiffer, cohost of pods in america, one of barack obama's longest-serving advisors and was white house director of medications under president obama from 2009 through 2013 and senior advisor from thousand 13 to 2015. he lives in the bay area california of course and new book that we are here for this evening is titled battling the big lie: fox, facebook and got me you are destroying america from ben road to write battling the big lie is an enlightening at times and eraging an always entertaining guide to the recent historyof our politics , read this book if you want to understand rewhat is happening in american politics, why it's happening and what you can do about it. and we're honored to welcome dan back to harrisburg so without further review please join me in giving them a warm harrisburg welcome. it's good to be back. i know we have not talked about the book and i've been waiting totalk about it . dan, let's start with the why this uestion is book, why now. >> some of you may know ray and i were here together sitting in that fchair and it's february 2020, time froze and we are bac

and when i did serve in congress the first couple of years we did have barack obama in the white house and we learned how to figure out a way to get some things past. a lot of what we wanted to do as republicans in the house not get past but it was a check and balance to the system. what i believe republicans in house and the senate need to do is cast a vision for where we are going, not just be opposed to joe biden even though so many of his policies are bad for our country right now. i do think we also have to be pretty clear on what we are for and you are ready to take action should we have the opportunity to get congressional bills passed and get into the president to desk. >> host: in "not my first rodeo" you discussed a lot about what you are for and also talk about your experiences which i want to discuss any minute, but do you think republicans outside of south dakota other than yourself have done a good job casting a vision for what republicans will do with the new majorities if they win them in november? >> guest: i think it depends on the republican. and what the message is.