to pay for obamacare.the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is going to a massive new government program. that's not for you. the romney-ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthens the plan for the next generation. >> i'm mitt romney. i approve this message. >> this ad suggests, i gather it will be seen a lot of places, that you and governor romney think that medicare which has been a very difficult issue for republicans for a very long time, polls suggest that people automatically think republicans are hostile for medicare. can be a winning issue for you how? >> absolutely. we're the ones offering a plan to save medicare, protect medicare. strengthen medicare. we are the ones who are not raiding medicare to pay for obamacare. we're repealing president obama 15-person bureaucratic board to put price control in medicare to lead to denied care for current seniors. we're the ones continuing to guarantee of medicare for people in or near retirement. you are to reform it

the democrats already gutted obamacare.t is something that happened already, dana. >> dana: medicare to pay for obamacare. >> andrea: correct. you cannot simultaneously be a supporter of obamacare and protector of medicare. paul ryan makes that clear. he has to keep doing it. after they passed obamacare, republicans missed a huge opportunity. they should have been blasting this message from the rooftops that they already raided your grandma's medicare the minute it passed. now, it's a little late in the game. can they still do it? absolutely. but it would have been better if they would have been saying this already. for over a year. >> dana: good point. i remember when that debate happened. they took the vote. then it was like everybody, the strategist said let's pretend it didn't happen and moved on. now they have to deal with it. >> eric: also, it's interes interesting. john sununu talks to chris matthews, they are pushing back. they're trying to frame this as the "ryan medicare plan" and the "the ryan budget." the romney

to pay for obamacare. [booing ] >> this will lead to fewer services for seniors. president obama's campaign calls this an achievement. you think raiding medicare to pay for obamacare is an

about obamacare. the president raids 716 billion dollars from the medicare program to pay for the obamacare program what's more he puts a board of 15 unelected. unaccountable bureaucrats in charge of medicare that will cut medicare in ways to deny care for current seniors. you want to know what medicare is saying about this? from medicare officials themselves one out of six of hospitals and our nursing homes will go out of business as a result of this. 4 million seniors are projected to lose their medicare advantage plans that they enjoy and they chose today under this obamacare plan. what's worse is the president's campaign calls this an achievement. do you think raiding medicare to pay for obamacare is achievement. do you think that empowering a board of bureaucrats an achievement? neither do i. medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obamacare. medicare should be the promise that is made to our current seniors period, end of story. (cheers) here is what mitt romney and i will do. we will en

or paul ryan's medicare reforms versus obamacare.ood frame. >> bret: kirsten, going in as you expect, most polls have the republicans trailing democrats on the issue of medicare. pretty significantly. the purple strategies poll has the obama-biden ticket leading by 8 on the issue overall. different states have different numbers. is there this feeling that this issue is going to be an interesting one politically for democrats to fight? >> well, first, i say it's still very early. paul ryan only picked a few days ago. give it a little more time. there will be more demagoguing, more ads, and i would, i mean more interested to see where this is in a month in terms of where people are. i think it's going to be an interesting debate. what the democrats say on the $700 billion cuts that obama did is it goes back in the system. versus ryan, which is a cut. the other thing is ryan when he says he wants to repeal affordable care act, he says except for the, done with medicare, doughnut hole and those things. >> bret: first of all, i showed in

to pay for obamacare. so now the money you paid for your guaranteed healthcare is going to a massive new government program that's not for you. the romney-ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthens the plan for the next generation. [ romney ] i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> people at the big banks once again write their own rules unchain wall street. they are g going to put y'a'all back in chains. >> wild and reckless accusations that disgraced the office of the presidency. >> the biden, a test on a bible. mitt romney -- "mr. president, take your campaign of division and head back to chicago." how did the white house handled this one colby? >> not well paid by ignoring it they did not do well -- >> the presisident s sort -- >> not well. the thing that biden did that bother some people, myself included -- you do not have to resort to colloquialisms to talk to african-americans. "y'all"? he also could have talked about it in a dififferent way. if romney is elected

obamacare saved us. on the run during the election cycle the republicans would rather have voters hear anything other than the true stories like ours of real middle-class americans being saved from financial ruin or even death by the president's signature achievement. amy and i both hope that by sharing our personal story about this landmark legislation that has been so ruthlessly distorted for so long that normal middle-class americans will finally learn and listen up to the truth about this law. i will happily put our real experiences against any multimillionaire political pundits anytime, anywhere to help america do just that. thank you. >> i want to thank you for sharing your story. we need to move along, folks, because we have many people to hear from. what i am going to do is start inviting may be a couple up at a time to testify together and so are there any questions for amy or ross at this point? thank you for your testimony. what i am going to do is to invite carol berman and leon z brzins brzi

about obamacare. the president erased $716 billion from the medicare program to pay for the obamacare program. >> [boos] >> in edition, he put a board of 15 unelected bureaucrats to cut medicare that would deny care for current seniors. do you want to know what medicare is saying?

we must end obamacare to save our pizza. just one thing, i know this is probably a stupid question.cost of pizza? >> 64% of the u.s. is now in some form of drought. 64%. >> there's fear that food-- things like dairy, meat prices, even the price of pizza could skyrocket. >> jon: oh, right, this summer's crop-killing milk scorching drought of biblical proportions. come to think of it that might also be affecting the price of pizza. not to mention the future of the planet but let's focus on the pizza. summer's almost over. that will solve the heat wave, right? >> there is a connection to these extreme weather events that we've been seeing. >> they are, in fact, a product of global warming. >> jon: what do you know nasa scientist? (laughter) that's just a scientific fact. one that happens to be confirmed by a recent study funded by climate-denying petrochemical billionaires. so as upset as the right got over obamacare's effect on their pizza i can't imagine how wigged out they'll be about global warming. >> our government spending over $10.6 million of your taxes on climate research to

obamacare. and the biggest power play of all in obamacare came at the expense of the elderly. even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health care takeover, even with the new law and new taxes on nearly 1 million small businesses, the planners in washington still did not have enough money. they needed more. they needed hundreds of billions more. so they just took it all away from medicare. $716 billion funneled out of medicare by president obama. crowd: boo! >> an obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed all to pay for a new entitlement we did not even ask for. [applause]

listen: >> medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obamacare.edicare should be the promise that is made to our current seniors, period, end of story.> have been trying to sell this trickle-down snake oil before. it did not work then, it will not work now. it's not a plan to create jobs. it will not reduce the deficit. will not move the economy forward. >> jamie: how is the one issue shaping the campaign? let's bring in erin mcpike, national political reporter for real clear politics. erin, great to see you, good morning. >> you, too, thanks. >> jamie: how big an issue is medicare, particularly at this stage of the game, so close to the election? and, the convention, the independents or the persuadables? >> it is a big issue specifically because of florida. as you know, florida has 29 electoral votes and by far is this biggest battleground state and it is the one that mitt romney has to win. and, so some republicans are a little bit nervous about this, because there is a heavy population of senior citizens in florida, that depend on medicare and

it was linked to the unpopular obamacare.ey of us would agree, i think, the romney ticket communications strategy was pretty good for a week. >>gregg: when you ask, pat, the president's plan for saving medicare, his own treasury secretary geithner said," we don't have a definitive solution to the program." >>pat: when fox came out with the show, showing he was talking and saying we should not demonize people, we should work together on this. or when he said, yes, i will veto anything that rolls back the $716 billion. they are on the offense. they don't no have a plan. the republicans this week did something which john said which is very important: they, for the first time, started to move this issue which they better do, from medicare to obamacare. since the supreme court decision handed them this, and we have talked about it, republicans have abandoned it and now they are back to obamacare. >>gregg: david axelrod said my 85-year-old dad will be kicked off medicare if romney is elected. that is not true. under this plan, anyo

about obamacare. the president erased $716 billion from the medicare program to pay for the obamacare program. >> [boos] >> in edition, he put a board of 15 unelected bureaucrats to cut medicare that would deny care for current seniors. do you want to know what medicare is saying? one out of six of our hospitals and our nursing homes will go out of business as a result. 4 million seniors are projected to lose their medicare plan that they chose today under this obamacare plan. what is worse, the president's campaign calls this an achievement. do you think that is an achievement? do you think of powering a board of bureaucrats to cut medicare and achievement? neither do i. medicare should not be used as a piggy bank for obamacare. it should be a promise to our seniors. here is what mitt romney and i will do. we will end the raid on medicare. we will make sure this board will not mess with my mom or your mom's health care. let me just see a show of hands. how many of you are 55 or over? ok. how many of

he was proud of obamacare. he liked the name obamacare. he also said that his stimulus plan, his economic plan has saved 4.5 million jobs in america. he ripped in to the romney-ryan campaign everything from their tax plan which he says favors the rich to the disadvantaged poor and middle-class. welcome to a brand-new hour. i'm degrees jailer. >> heather: and i'm heather childers. a busy day to say the least. paul ryan also on the campaign trail today. tackling medicare, as well. congressman ryan appearing on stage with his mother in florida hoping that she can help him connect but ryan slammed president obama saying it's time to try something different. >> it's very clear that president obama inherited a difficult situation. there is no two ways about it. the problem is, he made matters worse. this is why the president has run out of ideas. this is why the president is not running on hope and change anymore. he is running on anger and frustration. >> heather: chief political correspondent carl cameron had a chance to sit down can paul ryan

now romney can attack obama on obamacare in a way he never could. that is where democrats miscalculated. they do not have an answer. >> counter-attack brilliant, colby? >> that is the attack, to say that a bank took the money out of medicare. sununu says they, all on the same page and following their intellectual leader -- >> cbo says that as well. >> i would never interrupt you, charles. he is not taking money out of medicare. he is not taking money away from -- obama is not. the money that would be going to providers of medicare -- why did he take the money away? the assumption was under the affordable health care plans the, there's more and more people getting insurance and they are not going to have to rely on -- uninsured patients drawdown on hospitals. that is a perfectly reasonable calculus. you can say that, it is a nice charge to make, and you can say it over and over again, but it does not hold up. that is true of so much of what is going on on the republican side. they have these nice little arguments, limbaugh and all the rest, but they

where obamacare, romneycare are similar.care, winner for republicans and one reason that obama has not spoken about obamacare. it's way down in the polls. by injecting it, it really puts in terms of substance the democrats on the defensive. >> bret: fe, and we will go down in to this a little bit. if the obama campaign is going to fight in to the weeds on medicare, one of the things that they talk about is the solvency of medicare if obamacare is repealed in its entirety. then the solvency instead of ending, running out of money in 2024, currently stated by the medicare actuary, it runs out of money in 2016. if obama care is repealed. as romney wants to do. so, romney has to come up with something to change things. so another reform. premium support. something would have to be in place, steve. to extend the life of medicar medicare. romney would have to get pretty specific that he, perhaps he hand gotten as specific as paul ryan did in his budget. >> he hasn't. but let's be clear about that. he has been far more specific abo

romney can attack obama on obamacare in a way he never could. that is where the democrats have miscalculated. they do not have an answer. >> counter-attack brilliant, colby? >> sununu says they are all on the same page and following their intellectual leader -- >> cbo says -- >> i would never interrupt you, charles. i would never do that. he is not taking money out of medicare, he is not taking -- obama is not. the money in the medicare trust fund is the money that would be going to providers of medicare did why do they take the money away? the assumption on to the affordable health care plans to get more and more people get insurance, they will not have to rely -- and injured patients -- uninsured patients in hospitals. that is a perfectly reasonable tactless. it is an ice charge to make and you can say over and over again, but it is not hold up. that is true of what is going on on the republican side. they have these nice little arguments, limbaugh and all the rest, but they don't hold up. >> ryan says that if you are over 55, you are ok. what

now obamacare does that to medicare. it treats it like a piggy bank for obamacare.hen what president obama does, he puts this board of 15 bureaucrats that he appoints unelected, unaccountable, and every year they have to cut medicare for current seniors. you know, medicare providers, which will clearly lead to denied care for current seniors. what they don't tell you is obamacare damages medicare for current seniors and still doesn't save it for the next generation. we preserve it for current seniors and preserve it for the next generation. >> bill: $716 billion is what the president took from medicare? >> that's right. >> bill: governor romney had a blackboard, and he said all of that money is going to be restored. should there be some specific dollar cuts to medicare to get to the point where you preserve it and not allow it to go bankrupt? >> the point we've been making all along is if you put reforms in place that kick in in 10 years for my generation, that gives us the ability to cash flow medicare for the current generation. it gives you the ability to guarant

is that obamacare steals from medicare. kind of medicare. so it's not even an issue. he can ste openly on this one issue, the big difference is you stole from the elderly. so you could have your pet project. we didn't. so it allows a fight with obamacare. obama knows he is weak. a reason he is losing on that. there is a reason he had two lines on it to save the union address. now he turned against him and they relish fight on it because it's the one area romney can argue toe to toe. >> bret: i'm going to steve, but juan is smiling. paul ryan is campaigning in the villages in florida with his mom who is 78 years old. >> whose name is betty. i had one republican ad man said could you pick a more perfect name? imagine the ad where you have a senior citizen in florida saying i'm going to vote for mitt romney and betty's son paul ryan. not hard to imagine that. if you think back, conventional wisdom is no way to pick paul ryan or any way that republicans would embrace medicare reform and no way to win the argument. we have seen

obamacare is extremely unpopular with senior citizens, extremely unpopular in the country. to take money from medicare to pay for it is extremely unpopular and a very effective attack. the democrats is politigate that. >> we'll wait saand see how it goes. we'll monday morning quarterback tomorrow. thank you all three of you. >>> new information now on tropical storm isaac we need to get to. the national hurricane center is saying that the storm is weakening over central louisiana, and look at that radar image. still producing some very heavy rains. severe weather and high water levels all along the northern gulf coast. there's also this threat of tornados, and that happens to be for the second straight day now. people on pins and needles. the coast guard released new video from louisiana. rescuers pluck add wife and husband and two dogs from their flooded homes and more rescues continue on today. residents admit they didn't think the waters would raise so fast and so high. >> we thought it would be okay. a two-story house, and it picked up up, and two hours later, the water

what will be different because of obamacare? anything? >> the one thing i just mentioned about the summary of benefits was an affordable care act that will be enabled on the 23rd of september. other than that, there is not all lot changing this year on the group's side. the flexible spending account is going from 5,000 to 2500, so if you are used to us signing up for that flexible spending account, make sure you realize that is changing. looking at what you did spend because a lot of people picked the wrong amount. once that money is gone at the end of the year it just does not roll over. thirty-six you lose that money. it is frightening. you have some tips. pay attention to payments. what do you mean? >> well, recent surveys we have done, we have found that half of people don't even know how much is killing of a paycheck. so it is important to realize and see how much you're paying for your health care costs as well as what your employer is paying because really, you couldn't get a sense of what is the total cost of your health care cove

, by repealing obamacare, we can restore medicare. and also, they're offering a bipartisan solution, and for future retirees when they're not there. >> is it not the case that there are some things that the republicans are now proposing that they proposed in the past and opposing things they opposed in the past? >> and we're offering solutions. the president is not. the president has a failed economic agenda, 23 million people are still looking for work. and one in six people in poverty today. unemployme unemployme unemployment above 8% for 42 months and that's why he's basically relegated his campaign to the vision, frustration and the solutions we're offering have origins from bipartisan commissions from the commission set up in 1999, the tax reforms we're talking about. get rid of loopholes and lower the rates and create jobs. >> president obama called it fairy dust today. more trickle down republican promises in the past that didn't work, fairy dust. >> look, i think the president is going to keep trying to divide people in this c

obamacare had to be paid for. the democrats had to come up with $500 billion to help pay for obamacare. where did they get the $500 billion from? they said we will take it from medicare. we will cut waste, cut fraud, cut the payments to insurance companies we'll take that money from medicare and put it into the funding of obamacare. megyn: they say future savings. future spending that we're cutting back. >> we are arguing semantics here. david axelrod says, no, those cuts were not made, that is a lie. but it is the stated policy of obamacare legislation that that money will be taken out of medicare. don't be confused by the semantics here. for example, if i lowered the rate of increase of costs have i cut? semantics. pure semantics. megyn: there is no question that this money that they took out of medicare is going to cut the future payments made to doctors, that i is the plan. >> that is the plan. megyn: cut the major payments to doctors. here are the things they said. reduce the subsidies made to medicare supple

obamacare is enormously unpopular. i think it is pretty much baking the cake. i do not think the efforts that democrats are making to try to play in republican primaries will have a significant impact. inthey're also playing wisconsin. just a few hundred votes may make the difference there. do you feel the same way about a much closer race? >> wisconsin is more difficult. the numbers have been moving around some. it is hard to call. tammy baldwin is way too liberal for wisconsin. i think any one of our candidates who are likely to win the nomination will be able to win in november. what people want is not a return to the policies that have gotten us where we are today, high unemployment, a massive debt. they want a change. that is what any republican candidate will offer as opposed to tammy baldwin. >> scott brown is seeking reelection. in massachusetts. virginia is an open seat. take the two races. such uses. massachusetts. how do you win that state? >> scott brown has done a magnificent job. he has shown himself great candidates. it appeared the quality of th

no tax relief if you purchase a long and under obamacare it is worse. when you buy insurance you should get the same help from the government. >> host: what about insurance companies? >> they are just a big bureaucracy but they need to be liberated. you can buy life insurance then you get a positive cancer test you don't pay at higher premium and health insurance should be the same way. >> people compare health insurance policy to auto policy. could it be the same? >> i wish they were. with auto casualty insurance we will be there but we get the opposite with health care. they don't want anyby with the problem and when you enroll day under provide and they want you to go someplace else. we give them bad incentives to take care of us. >> host: with pre-existing conditions does the government has of the role to sell you must ensure? >> you do not want to join a planned below the cost of your care because then they will treat you corley. we recommend insuring in advance of pre-existing conditions but we also need affordable insurance. you should own it and

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to pay for obamacare.now, the money you paid for your guaranteed health care is going to a massive new government program, it's not for you. and romney ryan plan protects medicare benefits for today's seniors and strengthens the plan for the next generation. >> well, joe, this is unheard of, the at least in my lifetime at the presidential level, a republican going on the offensive on medicare. what's the thinking in the romney camp? >> the thinking is that the politics of medicare changed, you know, for decades democrats have run the med-scare campaigns. >> just like that. >> exactly saying that the republicans are going to end medicare as they know it. with obamacare and the affordable care act and its changes, they think they can neutralize this kind of campaign and voters might be able to give a genuine reform alternative a fair hearing. >> because obamacare actually did rewrite, turn the entire health care system upside down including medicare and taking it to finance obamacare to make it look like the