and now we're going to have the irs implement obamacare. it's not defunding obamacare.macare hasn't been funded. so the real question is will we vote to fund obamacare or not, not defund. and it's certainly not the republicans who would shut the government down. it would be president clinton -- president obama. of course i don't think it would get to his desk. but by virtue of him not signing or vetoing the budget, that would shut the government down. >> let me show you something, congressman pittenger took a defiant approach to attendees who asked to vote to defund obamacare, even though he tried to explain why it would be pointless. and the crowd did not like what they heard. >> we lose over there, then they come back to us in the house. you win this battle by going after -- we look at your -- we look at how we can win. do you think harry reid is going to -- >> it doesn't matter what harry reid does, we need to show the american people we stand for conservative values -- >> aisha, the passion still seems to be on the right side of the aisle. you're telling me that you

wasn't that one of the big promises of obamacare? >> right, and that was the negotiation down from the single payer system. >> i have a solution, and it would be personal savings accounts. >> personal responsibility would be really important here, and extending entitlements, very comprehensive insurance. i don't actually agree that americans are confused. i think after two years of this debate or three years now, in doctors' offices all across the country, physicians are overwhelmed, they're almost to a doctor not happy with this law, and patients are aware of it. we're the engines driving this, and if you can't get in to see us, we're ordering very expensive tests that are variable prices, there is no way we can afford it, there is no way we can keep practicing medicine the way we want to. >> the american college of physicians, the american medical association, they all support it. >> i'm a business owner. i have 120 employees. i pay for 100% of my employees' families' insurance. i'm a book author. i have 120 employees, about 300 on

, and it should explicitly defund obamacare. president obama and harry reid will scream that the learns are threatening to shut down obamacare. we need to stand up and win the argument. we have to stand up and say no, we want to keep the government open, we voted to keep the government open, to fund the government, why is president obama threatening the shut obamacare down? we need 41 republicans in the senate or 318 republicans in the house. and you know what? this fights is likely to heat up in the month of september. that's going to be when the battle is engaged. i'm convinced there's a new paragon in politics that actually has washington have uncomfortable, and that paradigm is the rise of the grass roots, the demand of the grass roots base to demand that their government do the ligright thin. offensive we see a grass roots tsunami, that's going to cause republicans and democrats to listen to the people. >> but it's going to take a tsunami? >> it's going to take a tsunami and i'm going to do everything i can to encourage tha

so obamacare is not going to work. and they're not going to be verifying whether people are eligible for the subsidies that obamacare offers whether their income requirements really meet the standards to receive these subsidies, so the costs of core components of obamacare are going to go up in the next year. so we're going to see it bend the cost curve over the long term in a negative way, in increased costs. the way the problems with obamacare will be resolved is one of two ways, and there really are only two choices here. what the democrats and the liberals are going to say is that everything wrong with obamacare is a product of what they've allowed to remain in private sector hands. they're going to say it's the insurance companies which even though they're actually mandating that we all buy the insurance companies' products, they're going to sayst the remaining private sector components, so we need more government involvement in health care. not less. you know, government is the only mayor institution in american

meanwhile the christian movement against obamacare, it is growing. because that's all they're talking about at town halls. as i showed you on this program last weekend, senator ted cruz of texas received a standing ovation from a crowd of conservative christians when he said that he wanted to abolish obamacare. >> there is no more important regulatory reform that we can do than to repeal every single word of obamacare. regulatory reform. do we want to reform the bible? do we want to reform the christian faith? these people are phony christians. they preach out of one side of their mouth and they operate out of another. to the detriment of americans who need help. denying people. think about this. denying people with preexisting conditions health care is morally wrong. yet they stand on solid ground in their mind that it is the right thing to do. denying 30 million americans health care is simply the wrong way to go. that's not what we want as a country. all this talk about how it is an unpopular policy. no, it's not. it's not. this is what the majori

we are back on obamacare. you said you disagreed with the strategy that senator cruz and mike lee are offering to defund obamacare. what other alternatives are out there to keep this horrible bill from being implement it on october 1? [applause] >> the debt limit. the debt limit. attach it to the debt limit. the point is, you have -- you attach a repeal of mandatory spending to the debt limit. otherwise the debt limit does not go up. let me make my point, then we will get around to you. the one thing that average americans agree with us, the government wastes money. the one thing the average american agrees with us is that trimming down the size of the federal government is a good thing. an 80% issue in this country. restricting the debt limit does both that and repeals the obamacare, or at least a laser for a couple years. -- delays it for a couple years. because it is an absolute disaster. why don't we build where our strength is? my strength, let's cut down the size and scope of the federal government, and

obamacare. those will be administered by the internal revenue service under the current law. it is remarkable at a time when public trust in the internal revenue service has plummeted, at a time when i.r.s. officials are complaining that their staffers are overworked and overburdened, the obama administration wants to use this tax agency to administer a massive new entitlement program affecting one sixth of our national economy. to me that sounds like another recipe for disaster. back in may i sponsored legislation that would prevent the internal revenue service from a role in implementing boing. last -- boing. obamacare. last week i introduced it an amendment to the housing and urban development bill pending before this chaimbg. congressman tom price has introduced a similar bill in the house of representatives and, unfortunately, this is amazing, even before the house passed the house bill, before the senate had a chance to take up the senate bill, president obama has already issued a veto thr

that's not obamacare, that's anything but that.ut at the same time, you see not only the higher cost of individuals, you see the uncertainty that's coming from other employers in the state. it's a massive problem all the way around. i hope they will do just like they did in the employer mandate. but unfortunately, the decision they made to push back the employer mandate was policy drimp and i don't see them that making that. >> do you think the contact with hhs or are they on their own? >> you're going to see it in the next couple of weeks as things become further behind across the country, they're going to try to push and make the states be a partner in the blame. this is a federal exchange. and even the states that have chosen to do a regular exchange, have chosen to do it under the confines of the federal law. this is going to continue to have a negative impact on our economy. they're going to have to hire full-time imemployees and we're having -- i hope this administration will see the problems and push to delay it. >> i have n

>> i think it's going to be about obamacare. it's different from some earlier fights where republicans are not -- republicans are not trying to reform all government to do the annual spending bill. they are saying specifically not obamacare. >> paul: no question. all right, but do you think they can basically make that case and make it about that when obama is going to be saying the opposite. republicans want to shut down the government in order to deny health care to poor people. that will be the debate. i'm not saying he is right. >> you can clearly say this is not about poor people. they already get medicaid. it's hosting the rest of us. >> paul: you are already explaining it. [ laughter ] >> i don't see a lot of downside here because either they force some reform. even if it's too much to hope they get the president to stop here, maybe they force some delays on the impression of it. you have government and epa employees will considered nonessential. i don't really see what the downside is. >> paul: can the republicans really

unless you defund obamacare. they wrong? >> they're right to want to fight obamacare. they're right, the leadership, in the house and senate, hasn't done enough to force votes, especially in the senate, to delay parts of obamacare, extremely vulnerable parts. the house did a good job in passing delays in both mandates, the individual and employer democratic votes. senator mcconnell on thursday night tried to put it on the senate calendar, invoked a mysterious rule 14, that i don't understand, and i think they might be able to force a vote in september. i give them credit for pushing, for fighting, which is good. there are more intelligent, tactically ways to fight than to say we're going to defund all of obamacare, voting for any continuing resolution that doesn't defund obamacare is surrender. it's going to be extremely difficult. >> chris: i have to say bill kristol was disappointingly diplomatic there, senator demint. some leading republicans say this is crazy. tom cull says it's suicidal. richard burr, your f

trt:05 [sot off videotape ] in 05 "i'm burning my obamacare card because obamacare is turning full-timeinto part-time jobs." trt=:04 while some like it. other young invincibles -- 18 to 30 year olds dislike obamacare for lots of reasons. [frazao standup] " and they represent the sweet spot for making obamacare a success. without roughly two- point-seven million invincibles -- the cost of insurance under the affordable care act will soar and that could doom obamacare.". [take demarco sot] in 10:57:01 "any of us can get sick and then we are destroyed." trt=:04 vincent demarco heads up a large healthcare initiative. he's troubled by what he sees as poltiics above healthcare. [take sot vincent demarco ] in 10:55:40 "it is really irresponsible for any organization to discourage people from taking advantage of benefits that may help keep them alive." trt=:07 a recent kaiser family foundation survey found that 71 percent of adults under the age of 30 value andant insurance, but they remain highly skeptical of the true cost. [sot in scully ] in 1:58 "there's been a big misconception about this

and we've just got to get rid of obamacare.s the root of all evil, but remember, they're all born-again christians, right? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, should any real person of faith want to take health care away from the poor? text "a" for yes, "b" for no to 67622. leave a comment on our blog at ed.msnbc.com. great to have both of you with us tonight. martin, you first. all these christians stood up and gave ted cruz a standing ovation for saying he wants to take health care away from 30 million americans. this is his top priority, in fact. how can people of faith, people of professed faith go down this robe. >> before i give you an answer, the presbyterian church just called and wondered if you are able to work as a minister. such is your brilliance that you're interested. there are 100 passages in the bible that refer to the poor. in the old testament there's deuteronomy 15:11. there will always be poor people in the land. therefore, i command you to be openhanded toward your

i am here to support obamacare.ules for them and one 70 rules for us. >> that is what they want the waiver from. they are not saying please help us and let us join obamacare. >> those are preexisting conditions and those who lack coverage, young people, what about them? >> it is so bad, congress will not apply it to itself. >> here is the problem -- >> it is so bad congress will not live under it itself. if it was as good -- >> anne, there is no question. nobody trusts congress and they don't care. they don't want to be covered by what the rest are covered by. >> let me ask you this, if obamacare is not that much of a burden, why is it that apparently 10 million more people are not going to be covered? okay, they are going to be covered without adding a single doctor with 16,000 irs agents to monitor and find people creating new beurocracies and people are not getting health care. the spouses are losing their health care. nobody understands it. the unions are exempt and the rest are paying for it. >> judge, the long

obamacare is working.is an ad they just put out. >> the news is in. healthcare premiums are tumbling. seniors are paying less for their prescriptions. no one can be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. all thanks to obamacare. but republicans would take it all away. republicans have voted nearly 40 times to roll back obamacare. republicans want to take your benefits away and put insurance companies back in charge. obamacare is working. tell the republicans hands off obamacare. >> bill: that's a message, pretty strong message. and the president's message, too, is you've got an opportunity starting october 1, if you don't get healthcare, already have it at your workplace to sign up for the exchanges. >> they're really focused, too, on any moms out there who are listening, if you've got a 22-year-old son or daughter out there who thinks they're invincible, nothing is ever going to stop them, they can sign up for healthcare. your job is to get them signed up. there is a catastrophic plan. might

eight weeks to go to obamacare and you are not happy.ool half say implementation is a joke. bad fallout from theedetroit and bankruptcy, local governments in michigan cannot vote on money at reasonable rates. but they are not. president obama holds a news conference today. my prediction he runs out the clock and runs out the door for a vacation. with fidelity's guaranteed one-second trade execuon, we route your order to up to 75 market centers to look for the best possible price -- maybe even better than you expected. it's all part of our goal to execute your trade in one second. i'm derrick chan of fidelity investments. our one-second trade execution is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account. folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. butetting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in e first place. [ male announcer ] one pill each morning 24 hours. zero heartburn. stuart:

so that they don't have to be included under the obamacare laws. but i think the option there is that those folks who might have to cut back on their hours, according to employers, they can get health care. and some of these states, like california, for instance, this health care could be five, $10 a month. all of this is being worked out at the state level. i think actually this argument about health care and tying it to the economy is probably a better argument than this idea that somehow the government is forcing people to pay. at the heart of this, as richard said, is this idea about personal responsibility, rate? i think if you look at all of the analysis of it. eventually, this sort of makes sense in terms of the economy and lowering the amount people have to pay should they get sick and it starts to affect the way people approach health care and participate in the system. >> bottom line is, when health care goes into full effect and starts working, then what will the republicans do? >> right. there is no end game if you follow through with t

. >> obamacare. he really is fighting on trying stop this absolute disaster for the united states called obamacare. >> reporter: donald trump. >> smart. >> reporter: you said a lot of things over the years that people say make you not serious. one of the big things is on the birth certificates. >> why does that make me not serious? i think that resonated with a lot of people. >> reporter: but you don't question he was born in the united states, do you? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: even at this point? >> was there a birth certificate? you tell me. you know some people say that was not his birth certificate. nobody knows. you don't know either. you're a smart guy. >> reporter: i'm pretty convinced. >> you said pretty. >> reporter: totally convinced. >> you said you're pretty convinced. let's see what happens over time, but it's not my issue, jonathan. my issue right now is much different. wait a minute -- my issue is economic. our country is being ripped apart by china and many other countries. that

lou: let's start with obamacare.his is starting to feel like the train went that the speaker called it. what is going on here? we are talking 60 days from implementation of exchanges. this is starting to look like an impossibility as well as a train wreck. >> well, it is continuing to unravel. more and more people think that the health care law will be bad for them. actually, by three to one over people who think it will be good for them in terms of their cost and quality of care. remember, what people were looking for from the beginning was access to care and affordable care. they're getting neither. we saw that with the irs agent who said, i like what i have. the president promised that to people all around the country, and people are now seeing of the cannot necessarily keep what they have if they like it. we have unions coming out against the health care law including the one that represents these irs agents who are the enforcers of the health care law. democrats jumping ship in terms of the employer mandate as w

obamacare is working. "handse republicans, off obamacare."st: the last line is the most glaring, the obamacare is working. there is a mountain of evidence to prove otherwise. obama has said as much. he has delayed the employer mandate. theas delayed all eligibility requirements for the irs. this is a remarkable thing that is getting under-reported by the media. if you apply for a tax credit with the irs, they will do zero processing to decide if you deserved it. there will be lows of fraud or potential fraud at the irs because of this. that is going to make the costs skyrocket. every week, you are seeing insurance companies saying they are no longer going to offer coverage in one state or the other. you see that every week. comingo see some state out and saying premiums will be double digit increases. there are a lot of things to suggest obamacare is not working. that is why we want to have this debate. earned hisroth master's from georgetown university. linda is on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to ask the

what is it about obamacare?hat john boehner tweeted that ohioans costs are going to go up and in his tweet is a link saying the opposite. this is the leader of republicans. caller: it's amazing. once people realize that, you know, the lies, there's no death panels, all this other garbage they've been selling the world for the last three years, once people realize that it's all a bunch of bull, people are going to like it and it's going to kill the republicans, because they're not going to have anything to stand on that. stephanie: that last caller we had says it all. i'm a republican, obamacare just literally saved my life. my wife and i would have lost our house if this happened before. that's what they are most terrified of. there it was. >> also, jacki just i.m.ed me and said we don't want to buy insurance across state lines because insurers could take advantage of loose regulation states. stephanie: i knew there was a reason. it was stuck in my brain somewhere. stephanie: it comes out here. i'm the dopey new

stuart: obamacare for young people. >> obamacare is asked and answered no matter how much you beat theart: what is he going to say about it? he is going to have to tell them you got to get health insurance. >> and thank god. stuart: if you don't get it but you have to pay a fine. >> there are subsidies for people who can't afford it. people who are 26 graduating college, presumably 22 will stay on their parents' health care and other four years so they ar. stuart: old enough to move out of their parents' homes the monthly fine will be $695. each thousand dollars a year. $95 fine. stuart: will the president tell them that? >> why should they pay a fine when they can buy subsidized health care? they don't what is going to happen is they did a fine and get sick and young kids think they're invincible but they end up in hospital and who pays for? all of us. they should be responsible for their own health care. why should we be responsible for their health care? they should be responsible for their own. i agree with you on that. stuart: is this going to be enough to turn around a president'

except for obamacare.nd that explicitly prohibits spending any money, mandatory or discretionary, on obamacare. now, the next step we know what will happen. we've seen this really before. president obama and harry reid will scream and yell why are the mean nasty republicans threatening to shut down the government? and at that point, greta, we've got to do something that conservatives haven't done in a long time. we've got to stand up and win the argument. we've got to stand up and say no, we have voted to fund the government. we want to fund the government. we don't want to shut down the government. why is president obama threatening to shut down the government? president obama has already granted waivers to giant corporations. why is president obama threatening to shut down the government in order to deny those same waivers to hard-working american families? i think that's an argument we can win if only republicans can find the courage to stand up, to stand together and make it. >> all rightas this unfold

. >> obamacare. >> obamacare. >> obamacare. >> behold, this is the holy grail. >> obamacare. >> obamacare >> they used to say, well, we'll replace it with something better. >> we need to repeal and replace it. >> repeal and replace. >> there is not even a pretense now. >> it's a ploy to say where yours program when we're saying the free margaret, the free market, the free market. >> it is too much to bereave that republicans want 30 million people to go without health care. >> i would rather shut the government down than continue shutting america down. that's exactly what obamacare does. >> the idea that you would shut down the government unless you prevent 30 million people from getting health care is a bad idea. >> president obama heads to his vacation with a new verve, taking health care fight straight to the gop in his first former press conference since april. the president called out the unrelenling focus on denying health care to millions of americans. >> the really interesting question is, why it is that my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people f

congress is not exempted from obamacare. congress and our staff have to go on obamacare. we were booted off our healthcare -- we will be booted off our health care when the new year starts. >> and the president? >> i do not think the president has too. the problem is that we have the white house and their staff and federal employees who do not have to go on to obamacare. they do not have to do the exchanges. but congress members and their staff do have to go on to obamacare. excuse me? >> adjust the subsidies. -- address the subsidies. >> there is a premium payment that members of congress and their staff get, which is the same they have been getting all along currently as part of our benefits from our employer, which is the government. it is just like any other employer might give her man payments to their employees. we are in an unusual situation. we are getting kicked off our employer's healthcare and getting put onto the exchanges. the question is whether you can get premium payments from your employer if you are kicked onto the exchanges. this would not happen to any

. >> let's go right to obamacare. this is the issue that is facing the gop. why do you think republicans can do this? before republicans have funded obamacare. the election did not fix much.-- change much. it may have only have democratic control. >> for the last three or four years republicans were all elected on the promise to get rid of obamacare and have relied on someone else coming in and saving the day. the supreme court will come in and rule it unconstitutional. the american people are going to get rid of president obama. the public and lawmakers who have all pledged that they will do everything they can to stop obamacare now have a time for choosing. in october 1 sign up. a day before the sign ups start of the defund the government. this is the time for them to lay down a marker and say have told our constituents that we are against this. we're not going to find it. there is a lot of stuff that conservatives have problems with any challenges to lay down the marker and say we are going to do what we promised we will do. >> and potentially shut down th

lou: obamacare, another broken promise.here seems to be no law in obamacare but even roy los -- have never seen a loss so completely malval and obviously shaped by the executive. >> this law is breached, whether the president saying that unions will be exempt because they will come to them who supported this bill. this is a good for unions. before obamacare was passed there were promises of exemptions. up to 3,000 for businesses. none of the law is passed by executive fiat, the president is the -- determining what parts it will honor what parts will not. whether it is business is on the hook for obamacare or whether it is penalizing individuals who have to pay for obamacare at the expense of the plans that should be offered. lou: recourse. >> there is because the executive branch will love the will to change laws the legislation already made. it goes back to nancy pelosi. lou: 4-years. >> has the daunting and then we read it. that is a whole thing. if you look at this, if they read the law before the past it we would have s

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this is not really about obamacare. it is about again this broader trend of an unfortunate race to the bottom. >> but the result of obamacare apparently is this. some governments are cutting hours and companies are keeping employees below the 30-hour threshold. didi, this wasn't supposed to happen. >> of course it is cause and effect. it is a direct affect. our country, a capitalistic country where people are forced to go from full time to part-time. these people will have to go to 29 hours. what are we, france? this is wrong and a terrible affect and a huge job killer. you know what, what is it with a 26-year-old adult living on mommy and daddy's health care? i don't get that. that's wrong. obviously that was a big campaign push too to get young people's votes and none of it is working. and how about this one? how about when people sell their house they are taxed 3.9%. all of these hidden taxes within obamacare. it comes out with more and more and more bad news. >> christie, what will they do? republicans want to de fu

the present plan with obamacare has cost jobs.rs are not hiring. >> uma: all right, so i understand that you are saying you voted for bills to repeal obamacare and try to get it off the books. but the bottom line is right now you are not going to vote against it. as many of your colleagues would like you to and many tea party supporters are asking you to. do you really believe that the government is going to get shut down if the resolution goes through? >> well, it will require 60 votes in the senate. right now they have 15. there is not any interest on the part of the president, his signature legislation, harry reid is not going to allow this to happen, to defund obamacare. what will happen if we make this the requirement, to not raise the debt ceiling, result to shut down the government, obamacare and the mandtory funding will continue and stay intact with all the rules and the regulations, the requirements, the timetables. what won't happen is the soldiers around the world, defending our freedoms right now won't get a paycheck.

so many shut down and get rid of obamacare. they are right about the disaster bucks you have others we want to get rid of it but we don't want to go that far. >> neil: did boehner tell you that he was open to a shutdown? >> we did not discuss that. >> neil: really? al holes and that never came up? >> we didn't discuss that. there is a problem and part of the problem for the republicans is you have two groups. you have people that are hard-liners that want to see it shut down. you have others that are not so hard lined but they want obamacare ended because they know how destructive it will be. actually the republicans are going to have to get together and choose one or the other. they can't be divided on the issue. >> neil: this issue has come out of the party as you pointed out. a lot of the conservative folks of the party are disappointed in speaker and particularly how he been following on the various scandals. i want you to react to this. >> he is in charge of organizing these investigations in the house and he won't. they a