then there is obamacare's marriage penalty.woman who equal fiez tor a tax -- qualifies tor -- for tax purposes could lose that insurance if she gets married. but, mr. president, obamacare isn't just hiking america's health care bills. it's also damaging their economic prospects thanks to the 30-hour workweek rule obamacare is helping to drive the surge in part-time employment. businesses that couldn't afford to give health insurance to workers working more than 30 hours have been forced to reduce their employees' hours and by extension their wages. 63% of those affected by this provision are women. then there's the employer mandate which is discouraging wage growth and making it more difficult for employers to hire new workers. they often have no choice but reduce wages or cancel raises and abandon plans for growing their businesses. then there are the other obamacare provisions that discourage job growth like the tax on medical devices on pacemakers and insulin pumps which has already been responsible for the loss of thousands

it's not the portal to get into obamacare. once obamacare is in full effect we'll have a national database of electronic records. a one stop shop for identity theft. that is what i'm truly terrified about. >> a database with our personal information as we know from the irs scandals there's all sorts of people that can dig into that information. let's focus on the name the affordable care act, the subsidies are what makes the affordable care act affordable. if those subsidies are fraudulent or made up this isn't affordable. doesn't the mandate that everybody has to buy insurance go away? >> yeah. in other words propped up with taxpayer dollars so it's really not quote affordable. i know there's different levels of insurance in the exchanges some are more affordable. what strikes me too about this, is where is the hhs inspector general on this. where is thesume protection bureau that elizabeth warren banged on. where are these individuals to stop fraud. when medicare was launched, david, within years you had fraud within medicar

obamacare is made of people. [screaming] >> breaking news now, a second federal appeals court has reached a conflicting opinion, another decision. >> they decided that the obamacare subsidies [laughter] >> jon: [laughing] i hope you have insurance. so i guess america hasn't devolved into state of apocalyptic chaos, but the state exchange clause, other appeals court, please, what about the state exchange clause? >> the fourth circumstance court says when you read the statute as a whole, and this was the obama administration's argument, it seems pretty clear that that's what congress wanted. >> . >> jon: but how are we supposed to figure out what congress wanted. there niece way of knowing what our obamacare forefathers originally intended. i mean, that was written back in 20 ought 9. you'd need some sort of time machine to find out what congress intolded or tivo or a working telephone or legs to walk over and ask them. so what explains how two different courts offer two entirely different interpretations of the ex

obamacare. >> this decision ultimately could gut the heart out of obamacare. >> if this ruling staysin place. it would essentially obliterate obamacare. >> all of the people that got subsidies healthcare.gov are essentially in violation of the law.

most americans aren't experiencing obamacare benefits. they are experiencing obamacare pain. higher premiums, higher deductibles, the loss of doctors and hospitals, less control and less freedom. like most members of congress, i have gotten countless letters from constituents telling me about the pain that obamacare is causing them. tom in hurley, south dakota, wrote to me to tell me his premiums have more than doubled and his deductibles have more than quadrupled since the president's health care law was enacted. harvey from mitchell, south dakota, wrote to tell me that his insurance went up 16%, effective april 1 of this year. biggest increase ever, he said. jill from sturgis, south dakota, wrote to tell me she went online to get a health insurance estimate at healthcare.gov and found that the cheapest plan would cost her $366 a month and a $5,000 deductible. are you kidding me, she wrote. that's $9,392 a year i have to pay in every year before it even pays anything, which is roughly 16% of our combined income. i can't afford that and try to save money for retirement at the

i don't call it obamacare. if you call it obamacare, we should call -- i would like to see them shift the language quite a bit on this. >> the president doesn't mind, he wants to reinforce the fact that he does care. i do care for you, i do love you, i do embrace you. i don't think obama is opposed to that at all. >> he's classier than i am. >> look, the reality is dr., you're on the ground, you're a physician besides being a professor. what do you see in terms of the impact of obamacare's law on those who are most vulnerable and those that need health care the most? >> this is the bigger problem, because you know, doctors have had to be altruistic for a long time now to make sure people that don't have care get it and people that are poor get the care they need. what we found is that once we opened up the rolls and let people enroll so they can get health care, they understand they can prevent illnesses that are causing problems not just in their health but actually causing problems in their lives. you have to

"obamacare war room prepares for september surprise." they know that there are more -- there's more bad news coming out in september of this year, when the new insurance rates are announced and kick in. and so what is the white house doing? they've got six people assigned to congressional democrats to help do damage control in their states or their districts when this bad news comes out and it inevitably will because there's no way that all the new mandates and requirements associated with this law don't lead to higher prices, in addition to all the higher taxes that go with it. and so this is the headline, "the war room prepares for september surprise." and it goes on to detail how they are trying their best to spin this in a way that confuses the american people in to thinking that it's something better than it is. but, unfortunately, for the spinners, the reality that most americans are confronting and experiencing is a very different one and that's the reality i talked about earlier. higher premiums, higher deductibles, higher co-pay

under obamacare take a look.hough florida is right all the time we all make mistakes and then we have an issue here that is common sense and logical and we need to take a new look at it i'm glad to be more of a respectful positive petition over elected officials to consider a new course of medicaid expansion we are gathering to strongly recommend that our leadership. look at building a different pain the path that legislators are on right now is already called a stress in our hospitals and expects the rule hospitals are ruled harless of in the past due to the reimbursement for indigent care without medicaid expansion the reimbursements are falling and hospitals like the one in my hometown are on the brink possibly even closer just a couple of weeks after mero neil made those comments he decided to take his fight for medicaid expansion on the road on july first mayor o'neill started a three hundred mile march from belle haven to washington to protest the closing of the go hospital in belle haven and to encourage l

getting to know this obamacare is working just swimmingly and mitch mcconnell's home state of kentuckyand that's raising big questions about what the republican long game is when it comes to health care reform kentucky is in some ways the exception that proves the. rule it's a red state but unlike other red states it decided to go along with obamacare instead of trying to sabotage it expanded medicaid so that the working poor could have access to health insurance and it created its own state based health care exchange called knecht now just under a year into obamacare is implementation these decisions are paying quick dividends if you don't believe me take a look at these maps put together by kentucky's department of medicaid services here's kentucky before obamacare as you can see there's a whole lot of red that's uninsured people and ornge largely uninsured people only two counties have fewer than eleven percent uninsured rate now as check out kinetic kentucky right now after obamacare no red and almost no orange the vast majority of counties in that state have an uninsured rate of e

as soon as this -- the health care plan -- he calls it obamacare -- as soon as obamacare was faces i. phased in, my premiums went up to $141, my prichtions went up to $49. like many other peoples, expects his plan to go up even more that year. so these are real impacts on the lives of families, of people that are paying more for the care they get and finding the choices they have to where they get their care are less than they've been before. these stories keep coming in. this is affecting the health needs and the health care of individuals and families, and, mr. president, we need to do something about it. i thank senator johanns for letting me tell these two stories before it was time -- before he took time to speak. mr. johanns: mr. president, thank you. i was here during the days when the affordable care act was being debated, if you can call it there. i was here during the time when the effort of senate democrats was simply to keep 60 together so they could pass this bill under any circumstances. there were all kinds of promises made as to what this bill was going to do. presiden

chaos with obamacare. you are going to harvard.haos. >> that is right, chaos did it effects 86% of those who signed up with the obamacare exchanges. we could see this all unravel. stuart: all right, you don't have to add anything. what a day for news, i tell you. strong numbers from netflix, really strong numbers, they doubled their profits. so, nicole, why is the stock down? >> give me 50 million. 50 million subscriber mark, that is huge for netflix. the expansion plans in europe are little bit more costly than anticipated, and that is eating into netflix profit. however, the big picture as they continue to add subscribers, continue to expand, we have noted emmy nominations one after another, house of cards, orange is the new black, but as you noted, it is cutting into their profits for these marketing expenses as well have been a little pricey and as a result to the downside. over the one-year mark 72%. i don't know one shareholder who would say that is fabulous, a good move. harvard law, did not get to congratulate her, think it

looks like that might have been the case for obamacare. a report published yesterday by the brookings institute suggests that negative publicity may have backfired and driven people to sign up for obamacare. the report found a positive association between the anti-aca spending and aca enrollment. or in other words, it appears states that did really well in signing people up for obamacare had a higher number of ads bashing the law. thinking here, according to the study, is people began signing up for insurance because they thought obamacare just might get repealed. "people who believe subsidized health insurance may soon disappear could have a greater willingness to take advantage of this one-time opportunity." all this to say, looks like the koch brothers are somewhat responsible, as this new gallup data shows. that's the good news. there's also some pretty interesting data that shows those gains are pretty inequality distributed among different groups. take, for instance, the percentage of the uninsured by age. the largest decline in the

tonight on the big picture a new survey suggests the republicans across america are really happy with obamacare and health care coverage that they're getting from so why are republicans in washington still doing everything in their power to discredit and undermine the law adding more and it's big picture rubble and the consensus of mainstream american foreign policy circles is that the united states needs to do whatever it can to prevent iran from getting a nuclear bomb but does iran actually want a nuclear bomb more on that with investigative journalist gareth or her in tonight's conversations with reply. you need to know this we're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't especially if you're president obama yesterday after weeks of hinting around speaker of the house john boehner finally announced what exactly he will be suing president obama over the fullest political stunt lawsuit will condemn the obama administration's delay of the employer mandate provision of obamacare these are decisions made back in july of two thousand and thirteen and in february of this year maters office sa

they want to litigate obamacare. now, the presiding officer has done a remarkably good job of calling out republican senators when they come to the floor and make these ridiculously false statements. and i appreciate that, and i think everybody in this country, if they don't, they should appreciate what the senator from, the junior senator from connecticut has done. house republicans have identified president obama's delayed enforcement of the employer care act as a frivolous piece of the lawsuit. this provision which protects companies with 50 or more full-time employees ensures employers pay their fair share if their employees receive health subsidies. mr. president, listen to this. the irony, of course, is that this specific provision which is in the bill that became law came about as a result of republicans wanting to put it in the bill. senators grassley, senator enzi and former senator snowe, this was something they worked on with baucus and other members to come up with this bill. they placed it in the bill. i

>> they didn't gust obamacare, they upheld the text of obamacare. to be clear they said the text does not allow subsidies. stuart: if those subsidies ultimately are ruled illegal and the d.c. court said they were illegal according to the wording of the law, that gets obamacare, it is gone. >> one point, call it the year in income tax credit which has been around for decades has in billion dollars of fraud every single year. imagine if a private company had the record of fraud that has much less one obamacare looks to be going through in terms of the fraud we are identifying. stuart: last word to you, ellison. >> mary said it well. there are a lot of from lausanne no one likes to hear fraud is happening, this is a preliminary report so they have us put out a lot of details i would imagine the republicans on the ways and means subcommittee are not going to be happy with the fact they say they won't have the information into next year and i expect to see some push for more details sooner rather than see what states have the most instances in fraud. stu

who have made obamacare virtually their only issue in the two thousand and fourteen election are now saying that the president isn't implementing the law fast enough edward as so i recognize it only in republican world let's rumble. good neighborhoods big picture rubble our gene card principle with gene card in can contribute to u.s. news and world report christie said sir progressive strategist and president c.e.o. of new heights communications and kevin martin member of the project twenty one black leadership network thank you all for joining us a great meal it was so i this theater of the absurd actually let me start out with a clip of president obama he was in austin here's what he had to say. there are a number republicans in congress including a number of the texas delegation who are managed me for taking these actions. actually plan to sue me. now i don't know which rich things they find most offensive be helping to create jobs or be raising wages or easing the student loan burn or be making sure women. can find out you know whether they're getting paid the same as men for doi

they are just doubling down on obamacare. and now they are trying to convince people of another untruth that somehow it's not possible to preserve our nation's long tradition of tolerance and respect for people with faith while at the same time preserving a woman's ability to make her own decisions about contraception. and washington democrats are doing this based on a claim that in the words of "the washington post" nonpartisan fact checker is -- quote -- simply wrong, end quote. so i realize that democrats may think the best way to keep people from focusing on the impact of obamacare on middle-class families is to just make things up and to attempt to divide us. well, i think that's a shame, and it takes a pretty dim view of what we're capable of as a country. the goal here shouldn't be to protect the freedoms of some while denying the freedoms of others. the goal here and always should be to preserve everybody's freedoms. we can do both. and that's just what a number of us on this side are proposing to do this week. instea

appeals court struck down the major construct of obamacare. the subsidies provided to people who supposedly can not afford to pay for obama care insurance. white house press press is in -- press secretary josh earnest in middle of his daily briefing, he says the subsidies will keep flowing despite court decision that says congress specifically said those subsidies can only flow from states that set up obama care, excuse me, their own state exchanges. and because there are three dozen or so states that do not have such exchanges, the court said, the subsidies can not go. josh earnest apparently says the administration is going to defight will of this court. what grounds he has for that, we do not yet know but, perhaps it is not unexpected that the obama administration would say that the subsidies will keep flowing. we will continue to monitor josh earnest for what he has to say. you can watch the entire briefing if you like to watch it, streaming live for you now on foxnews.com. >>> brand new information is coming out about lois lerner and thos

obamacare. >> this decision ultimately could gut the heart out of obamacare. >> if this ruling stays in place. it would essentially obliterate obamacare. >> all of the people that got subsidies healthcare.gov are essentially in violation of the law. >> going forward it's going to be chaos. >> and for the latest on today's court ruling and the other court ruling fox news correspondent shannon bream joins us. what happened today. >> it's been a busy day. bad morning for the administration. one court below the supreme court in d.c. said we are not going to aloy you to expand all of these subsidies that help fund people in 38 different states where the law doesn't say you can do that it was an irs regulation that was making that possible. well, fast forward just a couple of hours later we got an aruling from an equal fourth circuit based in richmond saying actually the administration can do this. they deferred to the irs for interpreting this rule yes these subsidies can go forward. without them big problems that undermines the law in a lot of ways. but now we have the split. so now we w

he says let's deal with obamacare. they go to start the scandals that they make up as they go with darryl issa and others. they are the ones not doing a job and the american people are clear on who's doing the job and who's not. >> a couple of things. one, i'm a fan of the movie. i can guarantee you the language was a lot saltier than the president quoted from the movie. but the second thing is we have to keep in mind something here. this is setting up a split screen are situation where the american people are frustrateded nothing is getting done. there is a clear opportunity for the president to say, i am working to solve the immigration crisis on the border. i am trying to get americans back to work. i'm trying to expand the economy from the middle out. i'm trying to do all these things and yet you have republicans on the hill pursuing benghazi, a special investigation, suing me for doing my job because they are not doing their job. to latch onto something that karen was talking about in her answer, this might be a w

when obamacare arrived, it canceled emily's policy. she went on the exchange to try to replace it, according to washington's wisdom, and this is what swleet to me. "i cannot keep" -- this is emily, a real woman in tennessee who is really hurt by the obamacare law. we should be talking about her. she says, "i cannot keep my current plan because it doesn't meet the standards of coverage. this alone is a travesty. cover 10 has been a lifeline for me. with the discontinuation of cover 10, i am being forced to purchase a plan through the exchange. my insurance premiums alone will increase a staggering 410%. my out-of-pocket expenses will increase by more than $6,000 a year. that includes subsidies. please help me understand how this is affordable." here is an american woman who's been hurt by obamacare. in fact, she lost her policy, a policy that she could afford. it fit her health care needs, it fit her budget because all the wise people in washington said, this is the policy that you need. so she got the policy that obamacare said she sho

with them on repealing obamacare. frankly, outside of the politics, what you see if this ruling goes through, is a lot of people who currently have health insurance and have it subsidized are going to feel a huge pinch, either deciding to pay a tax penalty or perhaps by not getting insurance or having to pay more for their insurance than they are right now. so there are a lot of people affected by this. just directly you're talking about probably 4.5 million. >> yeah, jonathan allen, thank you as always. i want to bring it to the table. as jonathan was saying, no one is affected today, but this ultimately could have real implications here. i have heard that we do have a legal expert on our panel today. ari, i want to pass it over to you. what do you make of the two different decisions that came down today, and ultimately where do you see it leading? >> it's a great point here because it goes beyond what the politics are. but how do we understand this fight over obamacare? we feel like there's so many different cases h

part of obamacare, to now suing to protest that same delay of that same part of obamacare. and that amounts to, yes, a softening of their position. and while it's no surprise that their much hyped lawsuit is hypocritical and you could say, hey, there's plenty of hypocrisy in all politics, i think there's a reason the politics and the message from the gop is shifting here. there have been waves of good news and verifiable progress for obamacare, and that's driving a factual undertoe to republican midterm politics. the fact is obamacare is working. and among people with access to its benefits including republican voters, the fact is it's very popular. the law was designed to reduce the uninsured. it was designed to specifically target groups of americans that struggle to get health for structural reasons. get health care. poor people. young people. and the unsteady job market. and people facing discrimination. as you can see, the uninsured rate is crashing. a new report from the commonwealth fund finds that the law is expanding insurance specifically to those groups it was su

top attorneys lis wiehl and arthur aidala on obamacare arthur aidala on obamacare suture coming up when think about what they get from alaska, arthur aidala on obamacare suture coming up they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. lou: to federal courts issuing conflicting rulings on the legality of obamacare subsidies. here we go again, joining us now, two of the best attorneys in the country. criminal defense attorney arthur aidala, it's so good to have both of you here, lis wiehl, thank you for joining us. >> we had the dc circuit coming out this morning saying that we are looking at the statute itself unless you have a state regulated agency, you can't do it and they tried to come

you need to know this obamacare had a wild day in the courts and now the future of health care reform is up in the air earlier this morning a three by judge panel of the d.c. circuit court of appeals ruled in the case of helbig the borough. well it is illegal i repeat illegal for the federal government to subsidize health plans purchased on federally run obamacare exchanges if this sounds crazy it's because it is it's because it was the logic behind the d.c. circuit court's ruling and it's really really strange bear with me here this is a little complex but here's how it works it's part of obamacare americans can buy health insurance plans in special markets called exchanges rate usually they're on line which are set up by either individual states or by the federal government when obamacare was written the idea was that every state would set up its own exchange but because republicans are keeping to the caucus room conspiracy plan to bring down obama they're doing everything they can to sabotage obamacare and most of the states they run have refused to set up their own exchanges and s

approve of obamacare. >> touche. >> 41% approve. a 4% don't. it's not going to be hard to make it more popular. i don't even think that's going to happen. >> mr. goolsbee, i like talking to you and i appreciate you coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> next on the rundown, mr. obama fundraising again. this is getting out of hand. bob beckel says strong action against putin and action against putin and iran might [ male announcer ] hands were made for playing. legs, for crossing. feet...splashing. better things than the joint pain and swelling of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. if you're trying to ma, now may be time to ask about xeljanz. xeljz (tofacitinib) is a small pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. seris, sometimes fatal infections and cancers have happened in patients taking xeljanz. don't start xeljanz if you have any infection, unless ok with your doct

approve of obamacare. >> touche. >> 41% approve. a 4% don't. it's not going to be hard to make it more popular. i don't even think that's going to happen. >> mr. goolsbee, i like talking to you and i appreciate you coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> next on the rundown, mr. obama fundraising again. this is getting out of hand. bob beckel says strong action against putin and iran might be war mongering. beckel up ahead. take them on the way you always have. live healthy and take one a day men's 50+. a complete multivitamin with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. age? who cares. >>> white house insider segment tonight, president obama thumb his nose at his critics once again. two weeks ago, president refused to go to the chaotic southern border, instead, he raised money in denver and central texas for the democratic party. this week, he is off again to the west coast. raising more money for the democratic party. all kinds of controversies burn overseas. now, all american taxpayers pay for all the president's fundrai

obamacare-- (cheers and applause) >> stephen: make no mistake, they are accurate in saying that obamacare is dead. now the last time i declared obamacare dead i dropped balloons and then twerked with the grim reaper. so folks, that's all been done. but like voting to repeal obamacare, we are going to do it again. come on! (cheers and applause) >> stephen: whooo! ♪ ♪ kuz i'm happy ♪ (cheers and applause) >> stephen: he's a good guy. death say good guy and a hell of a dancer. and this happy news brings me to the tip of the hat to the washington d.c. court of a peels. you see, in a 2-1 vote the court this week ruled that res dents of the 36 states that have not set up their own obamacare insurance exchanges cannot get federal health care subsidies because the exact words of the affordable care act say that subsidies are available to people who are, quote, enrolled in through an exchange established by the state. and because it's written exactly that way the court ruled that subsidies are only available on state-based exchanges, not on the health care.gov exchange and they base it on the well

dealt a major setback to obamacare. >> more breaking news.care and a dramatic blow by a federal appeals court aimed at health care tax credits. >> two hours later, however, things were looking up. >> this breaking news now, a second federal appeals court has reached a conflicting opinion, another decision, in connection to tax credits granted through the affordable care act. >> okay. so here's what happened. there were two rulings concerning the latest legal challenge to obamacare, which is perhaps at once both the most ridiculous and most threatening challenge the law has faced. the case is built on a single sentence in the law that authorizes health care subsidies for low-income americans purchasing insurance, and that sentence says the subsidies which, let's keep in mind, are the key to the affordable part in the affordable care act, that nose subsidies are available to people who enrolled, "through an exchange established by the state under 1311." that's the section of the law that sets up state-based health care exchanges. okay. but 36 s

yes, enrollments are way up in obamacare beyond expectations. however, we're not going to know the impact of this for a long time and the tactics of the administration are simply terrible. >> is the irs has always been at the core of the inefficiencies in our health care system. we're talking now about subsidies for individuals. but it's the subsidy that many of us get for our employer provided health care was run through the irs. and that's the part of health care reform that obama didn't touch that subsidy. and that causes inefficiency because all of our health care has to run through the company. >> let's talk about the policy. this is a big part of our health care policy. the irs has never been in the centerpiece of the administration of health care before. that's the difference now. it's really harkble to have it be the focus of what happened and because of the dysfunction in congress, it gets kicked to the irs to make these decisions and appealed to the supreme court. but it's the wrong pique people making the call. >> this is the point i'

and developing this hour, duelling rules on obamacare and what's next? first u.s. appeals court threw out an irs regulation implementing obamacare health insurance subsidies essential to making the law affordable for millions of americans and returns the case to a lower court but a second federal appeals court also today reached the opposite conclusion upholding federal subsidies in obamaware. we will have nbc's pete williams sort it out in a moment. first, on the opposite side of the country, calmer winds are helping the fight against that massive wildfire in washington state. we are seeing incredible pictures of the so-called charlton complex fire. the largest in that state's history. already burned out an area four times bigger than the city of seattle, knocked out utilities, water, power for several towns and left nearly 200 homes destroyed. >>> now the breaking news, the faa taking the dramatic step of banning all flights to and from tel aviv over safety concerns. joining me is nbc's tom costello, the expert on all things aviation and joining us captain tom bu

and you'll never guess what boehner is suing obama over, unless you guessed obamacare. (laughter) jim? >> boehner says president obama overstepped his authority when he delayed the employer mandate portion of obamacare without first seeking congressional approval. >> what we're talk about here are maces where the president is basically rewriting law to make it fit his own needs. >> stephen: yes. and congress cannot sit idly by while the president rewrites their laws. they have to sit idly by while they not write laws. and obama's overuse of executive orders is unprecedented in a modern american history in that he has issued fewer than any president since fdr. and don't tell me that every president issued executive

the hurdles for obamacare never seemed to end.he affordable care act passed in 2010 is 2400 pages long. this week's two opposing legal rulings hone in on one section. who qualifies for subsidies in the form of tax credits under the law. 14 states operate their open health care, and 36 opted not to create and run exchanges, letting washington do it in the form of healthcare.gov. section 36 (b) of the aca says tax credits go to people who buy health insurance in exchanges established by a state. a 3-judge panel by the circuit of appeals uses the language to fight down subsidies. senior circuit judge wrote in concurrence with the opinion: . >> if this ruling stands it would wipe out financial assistance for the nearly 5 million americans who signed up. more in the future would take on higher costs. an analysis says these people will see, on average, a 76% increase in premiums, totally billions of dollars. none of this changed the reality that president obama's signature legislation remains a political football, very much on the foole

what's happening anywhere, before obamacare is a breakdown in the employment based system and moving away to an individual marketplace. and at the heart of what obamacare does is makes it more likely that you'll have that individual marketplace. which i think is the best way to go. i think it's very difficult -- >> how do you pay for it? >> the problem becomes how do you pay for it? if you forced everybody into it, that's one thing. >> well the problem is always how to pay for it. one of the great applause lines in health care debate is high quality affordable health care meaning i'm going to give you the best possible and you don't have to pay for any of it. what's happened to the employer based and you can see it with high deductible health care plans those numbers are going up. and the hsas, the health savings plans are embraced both by democrats and republicans and more and more, you knee, i think you're going to see individuals making health care decisions and they'll come to you if you're a employer and say, what's your price? that hasn't happened in the past. it's starting to

john: and worst part of obamacare. >> independent payment advisery board, that is a group, of experts that are supposed to control medicare cost, they do this by enageing law, unilaterally without vote of congress, without signature of the president, without even review, by the courts. john: >> release of taliban detainees, in that case congress passed a law to regulate military. constitution said that president is commander in chief but congress sits th -- sets rules r military force they did that by limits conditions in which president releases people. people. john: but he just does it. >> he admits he violated the law, but he said he is allowed to do that because he is commander in chief, ignores fact that congress has the exclusive constitutional authority. john: and granting 10 state waivers on no child left behind, and changing obamacare law, when it was not working out. >> problem is that when you have no respect for the rule of law, then we get unpredictability, we don't know how the law will be enforceed, we don't know how to behave, and if one day what we're doing is legal t