ofht now, the market because obamacare is there he unstable. they are fleeing these communities and counties at a record pace. and premiums are accelerating. i expect will be looking at another round as well because it is all based on the obamacare structure. that is the problem. so we are going to look at ways that we can stabilize the insurance market. look for ways to begin the reform and the replacement process. we are looking at options that signal to america that there is a new way and a much better way to get health care there under obamacare. so we are still working through those issues. and continuing to have that discussion with the trump team as well. richard: as you are doing that, either for the replacement or this time, health care will have a bunch of packages in it, some on high-income households and someone industries. do you expect to keep those taxes in place during this transition? or do they get repealed on day one? once this becomes law? rep. brady: so what i can tell you for timing is that ultimately, the 23 taxes on amer

let's repeal obamacare. let's replace obamacare.ly take six months to do the things where we agree. and that gives us the next six months to figure out where is the commonality between with what he wants to do represent to infrastructure and what we think the way to go with infrastructure, just as one example. >> breitbart called that republican leadership's strategy to isolate and block donald trump's populist campaign promise. join us now, mark thompson and the host of siriusxm radio and back with us charlie sykes. this fear of sean hannity and this fear of media crackdown on republicans. hasn't there been a fear of that that has always been present? rush limbaugh, we saw where senators might say something in the morning that rush limbaugh then criticized in the afternoon. and by the end of the day, the office holder had moved that back into something rush limbaugh agrees with? >> yeah, but now they've been empowered and they've been enabled. in a sense, they've been weaponized. russia used to always talk about the state controlle

and attack obamacare from within. many democrats want to move toward a single payer system or someth for all of us, price and republican leaders move in the opposite direction as health secretary he has the power to undermine boem care by not promoting healthcare enrollment. he already has a replacement in mind. >> it's at the forefront of the repeal movement and the replace movement. >> planning to remove the current rules for business, customers and insurance companies and give people who don't have coverage tax credits based on age instead of income. >> give the same amount of and then instead of mandates the health insurance industry would be free to compete, to provide the most attractive package of benefits they could. >> price cannot do this alone. he's on the same page with house speaker ryan in congress. they'll work together and likely try to change much more than obamacare. price also plans to scale back federal money for medicaid, that's sit raun healthcare for the poor. he also wants to prooiftize medicar

there's nothing to the right of obamacare that works as well as obamacare.eplace it with single-payer, but that is not happening. if you want to go to the rights, you either have to spend more money or cover fewer people. there is simply no alternative that does not run into one of those problems. will our politicians allow it to have been that overnight people lose their benefits and have to pay out-of-pocket? jonathan: again, three months ago, i would have said no way. now, i honestly do not know. vonnie: what about hhs and tom price? -- they said they will try to block this, but they will need the support of some republicans. are there republicans out there rather mr. price not? jonathan: i do not think there have been any republicans who have spoken up against tom price. i do not see how democrats can block it. he is a terrible women in the sense he has made statements that are really incorrect and -- he is a terrible appointment in the sense that he has made statements that are really incorrect in how health insurance works in the u.s. just because he i

it is a big change from where obamacare is today. do you think that republicans, in the end -- it will be a tax credit? which way are you leaning on that? can you assure the 20 million americans who are on obamacare -- some of them are concerned about losing their health coverage -- what would you say to them? rep. brady: let's start with the second one. i can assure americans that they will have peace of mind, plenty of time and plenty of opportunity to choose a plan that is right for them under the health care backpack concept. as you know obamacare, the plans don't end january 20 with the new president. those plans will continue and as we outline our new options and choices americans will get, they will have plenty of time to make those choices. americansw is that can't continue to much longer on these plans they can't afford with high out-of-pocket costs. frankly, this isn't working for them anymore. >> you reference, even into retirement. are you signaling changes to the medicare policy? time i think it is important that we save

patient visits surge since obamacare took effect. just the opposite of what many expected would happen. why are people still going to the emergency room when they've got this comprehensive care that you're touting? >> well, first of all, we actually -- remember with obamacare, we've run the experiment once, ran it in massachusetts. got a five-year head start in studies what happened. what happened in massachusetts, emergency room visits did go up because people suddenly had more access to the system. over a few years as people got used to having insurance, they went down. the same thing's going to happen nationally and the main thing to understand is that if you look at the quality of insurance that people have in the market, before obamacare, you could, for example, have insurance policy which said we'll cover your first $10,000, after that you're on your own. that's not insurance. obamacare ended that. okay, even -- many republicans have said, well, they like ending that. they like moving to real insurance. the point is, how do we

my problem with the republicans is stop coming up with solutions and just repeal obamacare.nce you do that and just allow competition into what is a service like any other you will see prices fall because those who provide the service will come in and compete on price. >> you will also see less abuse and fraud because when people are in charge of their own money, they're much more careful about how it's spent. medicare, just one major government healthcare enterprise alone wastes $60 billion a year because the individual doesn't have control over it. >> right. i think that the central goal in all of this is to give individuals more ownership and control over their healthcare dollars. to mike's point the way we have control over our food dollars and our clothing dollars. to sort of respond to some of the progressive concerns i think one of the reasons there was this big push for universal courage was because they felt that people weren't going to a doctor soon enough, but if we repeal obamacare it means that insurance would go back to being what insurance was originally inten

npr sat down with president obama and asked him about obamacare, here's what he said. >> i could not be prouder of the fact that the uninsured rate has never been lower. that 20 million people have health insurance we didn't have before. but i said when the bill passed that it wasn't perfect and i don't know how many times i've said to republicans both publicly and privately and state of the union speeches and town halls around the country that if they're willing to engage and work with me then we can identify ways to tweak and improve this system. each time i've said this the basic republican response has been no, all we want to do is repeal it. and we'll replace it with something later. >> heidi, politically, can republicans get away with repealing it and replacing it with something later? >> i don't know they can because this is not rocket science. we have social compacts in this country and the way they work is you have people who are either younger or healthier or both buying into the system in order to support those who are older and sicker. we see that with social security, to

in fact, their plan was obamacare. it's worth mentioning again and again that obamacare was the slightly more conservative version of romney care, a republican, which was a slightly more conservative version of something richard nixon proposed. so the only plan the republicans have ever had is obamacare. which is why they can't think of an alternative. >> also there's that issue of once you say we're going to take care of the people with preexisting conditions, there's a giant amount of intervention. everything occurs once you do that. >> right, because it's, the phrase they use is the three-legged stool. if you're going to let anybody buy health insurance who has a preexisting condition, to get more people into the insurance pool you have to have a mandate, which the republicans suddenly hate, but which is a concept invented by the conservatives at the heritage foundation and endorsed by president nixon and endorsed by governor romney. now if you hate the mandate, then you can't get rid of the preexisting condition ba

and he's going to fight to reduce taxes, roll back regulations, repeal and replace obamacare and make america -- >> you said he's making them on picking winners and losers. sarah palin calls it crony capitalism. >> i don't think it's picking winners and losers at all, what the president-elect did with carrier was simply reach out one american to another and just ask them to reconsider. he told them, we're going to do exactly what we said we would do in this campaign. we're going to make the american economy more competitive. we're going to get tougher and smarter on trade deals, and that was changed circumstances when they made their decision to leave last february and asked i think that the message that that sends across the american economy to businesses that may be considering leaving our country is things are really changing. we got a president that is going to fight for jobs and fight to bring back the american economy. >> and the president-elect is sending that message this morning. >> i think it's the reason why he won the heartland so see dice sinkly. >> 30 out of 50 states in

americans don't like obamacare. again, it's the name "obamacare," the affordable care act, whatever you want to call it, but they actually like the things it does. they like the fact that you can't be denied insurance based on pre-existing conditions. they like the fact that young people can go on their parent's jurns plans. they like a lot of these various features. they like subsidies, for that matter. they like being able to get medicare if they're poor enough to get medicaid. there are many components of it that are crucial to people's lives, that people don't expect to be going away, that could potentially go away, for that matter if republicans get their agenda. >> paul, you mentioned the comma, the idea that, hey, this will be repealed, comma, effective whatever. you kick the can down the road a little bit. what about, too, i'm kind of imagining a scenario here, where republicans quote/unquote repeal it, but they also leave in the ban on denying people coverage with pre-existing conditions, they leave in some

first of all obamacare is no good.miums are through the roof, but have you looked at deductibles lately. >> it is huge, 5,000, 10,000. >> unless you are dead or in the process of almost death, you can't use it. >> what i'm trying to get to is with the release of these names -- that was a big promise. balancing a budget is a big promise. building a wall is a big promise. repealing obamacare is a big promise. i understand you're giving a speech next week on energy independence. >> right. >> that's a big promise. >> in north dakota. >> building our military, taking care of our vets, those are big promises, ending common core. my question is on those agenda items that you have told me about in our interviews, how rock solid are those promises for the people that may be on the fence, that want to know you're going to do those things? >> i want to get it all done. >> you want to get it all done? >> look, our military, i saw a show the other day where our fighter planes are so old they go to junk yards to get parts, they call

in your view has obamacare hurt patient care? >> absolutely, no doubt about it. >> reporter: this doctor in ohio is more eager for obamacare to be gutted. >> the policies of obamacare have made it very difficult for us in private practice to stay in private practice. >> reporter: but the two main trade groups are warning that repeeling obamacare could cost hospitals $165 billion by 2026 and trigger public health crises. in miami-dade, a stred did i stre -- steady stream of patients are still signing up. >> any changes in the future would have to consider preexisting. if not emergency room costs would skyrocket across the country. >> reporter: for now patients like lisa ernstrom are in limbo. >> i don't know what this means for the future. >> reporter: wondering whether obamacare is on life support and for how long. gabe gutierrez, nbc news, warren, ohio. >>> six months ago tonight, hundreds of people packed into a gay nightclub in orlando, florida. hours later, 49 people were m s massacred at the hands of a gunman who had pledged

obamacare got rid of that. imagine something that is really working, obamacare got rid of it.et's put those things back in place with common sense principles. >> you have a republican suite, liberty and where with all to really get things done. people will be watching to saying on, you're at the wheel. good luck. >> that's the exciting part. if you have two minutes left and you're down by five points, i want the person in that pts with as the ball, not the person that is afraid of getting the ball. we're excited about this. we've pushed about this for years since barack obama started putting all of these policies and laws, regulations in place that are destroying the economy. we said give us this opportunity and the american people did. we're excited about it and ready to get the country back on track. >> congressman we are excited about what we're hearing. good to see you. thank you so much for joining us. we live in a pick and choose world. love or like? naughty or nice? calm or bright? but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number, designed to let couples sle

bumiller: so you repeal obamacare, what happens to 20 million people on obamacare? mr. cantor: the details have yet to be realized. because, when is the effective date? and what is the requirement to replace it? that is a debate that is ongoing. do you put into place -- that can only happen if the senate has the reconciliation process to benefit from, thereby reducing the voting threshold. we have to see what congress does. clearly, the predictions that people will lose health care, this will be a different kind of health care. i think that obamacare on the results of this have never lived up to the promise that was given. we can see a congress that will unite around replacing it any meaningful way. ms. bumiller: let me ask one more question about iran. if the u.s. walks away from the iran deal, which trump has threatened to do, what other signatory would do? would they ignore that? what they make any imposition of u.s. sanctions meaningless? and what would be the global economic consequences? sec. pritzker: first of all, i do not know how the rest of the world reacts.

more than 20 obamacare taxes would be repealed. people have the faith inflexibility to make their own decisions about health care. americans would be able to use health savings accounts for the care that they believe is best for themselves and their itilies, and it is that would be easier to buy insurance across state lines. with pre-existing conditions will be protected. my wife is a breast cancer survivor. so i understand how critical it is that people with pre-existing conditions not lose their insurance. a doctor who also served as a wyoming state legislature, i know one size does not fit all. better at much knowing what works best for their people. the's why they will get power to run their own medicaid programs. over the years since obamacare was passed, we heard from people every day how the law has hurt them personally. listening, and we are keeping our promise. family isne in your sick, you should only have to worry about their health, not health insurance. many democrats in congress have already shown they will refuse to

obamacare is one of the first thing on your agenda. >> it is. >> transitioning from obamacare to health savings accounts -- >> where you buy what you want to buy. you know one of the best advocates for health saifths accounts in congress is tom price. i coauthored the law in 2003. so we want to give people options and choices. we want competition and choice which drives down choices and allows people to buy what they want to buy. there will be a good transition so no one has the rug pulled out from under them as we go from a dark day of obamacare to a better system. here's the point we keep trying to make with people. it's getting worse with obamacare. >> the price is going up. we see more and more carriers dropping out. >> the biggest health insurance company in america, united pulled out, aetna pulled out. they're making the deductible so high it's like you don't have insurance in the first place. we're expecting more of that. it's in a death spiral, the term that it's going down. >> it took six years to implement obamacare. >> we're trying to figure it out. >> will it be less than tw

more than 20 obamacare taxes would be repealed. people have the faith inflexibility to make their own decisions about health care. americans would be able to use health savings accounts for the care that they believe is best for themselves and their families, and it is that it would be easier to buy insurance across state lines. and people with pre-existing conditions will be protected. my wife is a breast cancer survivor. so i understand how critical it is that people with pre-existing conditions not lose their insurance. as a doctor who also served as a wyoming state legislature, i know one size does not fit all. states are much better at knowing what works best for their people. that's why they will get the power to run their own medicaid programs. over the years since obamacare was passed, we heard from people every day how the law has hurt them personally. we are listening, and we are keeping our promise. when someone in your family is sick, you should only have to worry about their health, not health insurance. now many democ

first of all, obamacare is no good. the premiums are through the roof but have you looked at the deductibles lately? unless you're dead or in the process of death, you can't use them. >> with the release of the names, that's a big promise, building a wall a big promise, repeal og bama care is a big promise, i understand you're giving a big speech next week on energy and independence. that's a big promise. ending common core. so my question is on those agenda items that you've told me about in our interviews, how rock solid are those promises for the people that may be on the fence that want to know you're going to do those things in. >> i want to get it all done. >> you want to get it all done. >> our military, i saw a show the other day that our fighter planes are so old they go to junk yards to get the parts, airplane graveyards to get parts off of old planes that haven't been flown in 25 years. they're taking parts off of the planes and trying to put them on our fighter jets. we are really in trouble. >> let's talk a

it took two years for obamacare to be enacted. when we enact big social program, it's difficult to repeal them, difficult to change them. once you create an entitlement, it's usually there to stay. >> one possibility is fix obamacare, call it trump care and call it a day. i don't think that will satisfy republicans. >> it's not going to. >> if he decides it's too much of a mess to go forward with the main conservative plans on the hill, he could do what he's done on social security and medicare, become defenders of those programs. he's not on board with a lot of republicans in terms of changing to those programs. that's one way out of this, call it trump care. >> is the irony is that's exactly what the hillary campaign campaigned on, not repeal it, fix it. >> i think trump supporters would listen to him before they would listen to republicans on the hill. >> i agree. the bill that goes through will emphasize the primacy of congress. >> congress care. >> gop care. >> mostly i don't think you want your name attached to the word "car

i don't think it is only obamacare.here is a previous caller who talked about medicine mapping and industry we going to where we can make large amounts of money. i feel strongly about that. i'm comfortable with that balance. host: thank you for the call this morning. pat is in florida, a nurse. good morning. caller: good morning. i feel the affordable care act on mypositive impact role. i am a regional quality director , and i support 20 hospitals for national healthcare company. my comments are focused on the hospital setting. i agree with the past comments from some callers that the paperwork can sometimes be overwhelming. i also agree with the comment that we have seen a lot of our improved coverage for our hospitals in the emergency room. the affordable care act has promoted pay for performance. that is allowed my hospitals to focus on improving quality and safety for our patients. i feel it has been a positive influence. host: does that pay for performance include patient satisfaction scores that our previous calle

especially when they're not identified as components of obamacare. that pulling those out just as those trump voters said, pulling those things away from people now is a very different thing than it felt like when they knew the votes for repeal were fake because president obama was never going to sign their repeal bills. >> right. yeah, there is a fair amount of danger here. i think it's likely at least in the house they will pass the repeal bill. and these people basically don't give a damn about anybody's health insurance, and they never have. i think the biggest problem is actually happening right now in republican governors are gutting medicaid. medicaid is the expansion in obamacare that covers the most people in this country. and it makes an enormous difference. they're already cutting that back. so this is a huge, huge problem. and it really is an attack on the legacy not just of barack obama, but lyndon johnson and franklin roosevelt. >> and jonathan gruber, have you heard anything, any policy ideas coming out of republicans that you think th

obamacare is one of the first thing on your agenda. >> it is. >> transitioning from obamacare to health savings accounts -- >> where you buy what you want to buy. you know one of the best advocates for health saifths accounts in congress is tom price. i coauthored the law in 2003. so we want to give people options and choices. we want competition and choice which drives down choices and allows people to buy what they want to buy. there will be a good transition so no one has the rug pulled out from under them as we go from a dark day of obamacare to a better system. here's the point we keep trying to make with people. it's getting worse with obamacare. >> the price is going up. we see more and more carriers dropping out. >> the biggest health insurance company in america, united pulled out, aetna pulled out. they're making the deductible so high it's like you don't have insurance in the first place. we're expecting more of that. it's in a death spiral, the term that it's going down. >> it took six years to implement obamacare. >> we're trying to figure it out. >> will it be less than tw

jobs leaving, isis, obamacare, et cetera.eanwhile, trump says he is shutting down his charitable foundation to avoid even the appearance of any conflict of interest. let's go to blake burman in washington, d.c., with ault latest on the happens. blake, sir? reporter: hi, there, cheryl, when you think about this one, president obama, president-elect trump, they were one-time adversaries but they have been pretty publicly gracious towards each other in the last several weeks following the election but that didn't stop president obama weighing in on the split can what if. the president suggesting should he not not been term-limited that he would be able to run for the white house again, that he would have beaten his successor. listen ear. >> i am confident in this vision because i'm confident that if i, if i had run again and articulated it, i think i could have mobilize ad majority of the american people to rally behind it. >> as you quote from mr. trump's twitter account he responded by saying in one tweet, no way. he also foll

we'll repeal obamacare, though, he was very unclear as to what comes next. and he sort of navigates around some of the more -- the tariffs and some of the more irksome questions as well of that's his point of view. but here's the point, alex, on he's not elvis presley on the ed sullivan show. he's president of the united states and so when he says something, it matters. when he says 35% tariffs on companies that move or when he says to taiwan or to china through his action we're changing the policy, these can have monumental impacts and that is what's concerning to me. >> you're right, david. setting aside the process of this phone call and these phone calls, on the substance let's policy speech back in april, donald trump said america is too predictable. so i agree with alex. i don't think this was dental. i think donald trump knew exactly what he was doing when he took that call from the taiwanese leader. >> i don't think though -- >> let me push back on david a second. >> one thing on the china thing for this. is it may have been intentional, donald trump

start swiffering. >>> coming up here on "mtp daily," what's ahead for obamacare? don't miss chuck's interview with cynthia burwell after the break. >>> and kellyanne conway about join rachel maddow at 9:00 p.m. >>> first, josh lipton has the cnbc market report. >> the dow slips 23 points, the s&p is off four, the nasdaq sheds 24. the annual rate in the third quarter is 3.5% compared to 2% inspect the previous quarter. >>> a tough session for retailers after reports showed consumer spending slowed in november. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. ♪ music playing >>> president-elect donald trump campaigned on the full repeal of the affordable care act in his first 100 days in office. that hasn't stopped americans for signing up for 2017 coverage, though. new numbers out just yesterday show nearly 6.4 million people registered for coverage through healthcare.gov so far, more tal million more than last year. earlier this week, chuck todd sat down with health and human services secretary cynthia burwell asking why people should sign up for coverage when pr

he, his wife and children have obamacare insurance. they bought a mid level silver plan on healthcare.gov. they say some of the related costs are too high. the system has been inefficient. >> my busineiggest thing is cos. when it comes to business and family, i don't care about politics. >> the tax credit is not compensating for the increase of the premiums going up. the tax credit is not helping us out in terms of lowering the cost. >> reporter: their health insurance may soon change. dramatically. republicans now control the future of american health care. since congress passed obamacare, they have run unrepealing it. congressional leaders say they will secure an obamacare repeal. possibly within the trump administration's first 100 days. >> look, we need to get oba obamacare relief to families as fast as possible. >> reporter: republicans have written several proposals. one of the more thorough versions, a plan from president-elect trump's selection to lead the department of health and human services. georgia congressman dr. tom pri

let's repeal obamacare. let's start dealing with border security. let's rebuild our national security. and then on those areas where his agenda is not aligned with ours, we could easily take six months to do those things where we agree. and the next six months, try to figure out what is the commonality between what he wants to do with respect to infrastructure and what we think would be the way to go with respect to infrastructure, as one example. let's work on the things where we know we are together. like ronald reagan, pick the 80% solution and move forward it and it figure out how to deal with this. so the american people know they are getting something with the vote they made last november -- last month now. and then we will figure out the rest in the next six months. mr. brooks: on the 80% concept of saint ronald reagan. when he talked about that, it was interesting. he was actually not talking about just the 80% that republicans agree on. he was talking about the 80% that republicans and democrats agree on. so mark, what's your view on the mo

that is the fate of obamacare.rgia congressman tom price, the president-elect's pick for health & human services, has been an outspoken critic of the affordable care act and donald trump is no fan either but he has shown he could keep parts of the plan in place. dr. john torres headed to kentucky, a state that voted for donald trump but where a lot of folks who rely on the affordable care act are concerned. right? >> exactly. what i did is basically went to kentucky, went to talk to people on the front line because representative price said he wants to provide better treatment options for doctors and patients by repealing and replacing obamacare. i spoke to both on the front lines who will be affected by the decisions to find out what they think about the issue. they say getting health insurance through obamacare allowed them to afford to quit their day jobs and pursue their dream -- running a small family farm. but with six employees to pay and 14 month old hazel to look after, money is still tight. >> one more bi

repeal obamacare. and it's not going to likely happen. >> no, but they will proreplace it with something. you have an orthopedic surgeon. is that spot of bright light and optimism? >> i think so. to some degree. but he's still facing the special interests, the drug companies, insurance companies, everybody who has had benefits from it. so he may be well intentioned. just because you are the head of a department, you don't become a dictator. they don't wave a wand. they still have to find out if the president is going to go along, what is the senate going do, how is it going to get passed? they will water it down to get it passed partially. but to say next month we'll have a vote to totally abolish obamacare, i doubt that have as much. kennedy: they will water it down like dringts in a bad casino. congratulations. dr. paul, thank you for being here, appreciate it. the rapper at of a case against crony capitalism in his home state. and we have a lawmaker spearheading >> watch your language, pit bull. pro

. >>> many people who used obamacare in the past say they are hesitant to sign up this year.e'll explain why. >>> also coming up, sports. >> hey, guys, i'm fallon smith. coming up in sports after getting embarrassed many memphis, the warriors were in minnesota trying to avoid losing back-to-back games for first time since 2015. highlight an reaction ahead. >>> and the 49ers have victory within their grast but watched it slip away as the jets flew away with the win. more on that in sports. heavy, labored breathing heavy, labored breathing heavy, labored breathing coughing breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask breathing through oxygen mask covered california. it's more than just health care. it's life care. warriors on the road facing the timberwolves. they had trouble with karl anthony. third quarter off the miss. towns huge put back. finishes for 25. down in to the final frame. fourth quarter. tied at 92. david west with the block and duran finishes on the other end. more defense leading to offense and he and livingston with

i did. >> reporter: but if obamacare goes away?re goes away, i'm going to be in a world of -- >> reporter: today adams devo vs her life helping others apply for benefits she hopes will apply even if obamacare is abolished. her enormous expectations now squarely on president trump. >> if he don't come across like he promised, he's not going to be tlnext time, not if i can he it. >> reporter: trump's future opposition already taking shape if jobs don't return and obamacare benefits vanish. miguel marquez, cnn, whitesburg, kentucky. >>> when we come back, we're going to do our best tonight to highlight the joy that singer george michael brought to the world even as we mark his untimely passing on christmas day. that's next. ♪ freedom ♪ see ya next year. this season, start a new tradition. experience the power of infiniti now, with leases starting at $319 a month. infiniti. empower the drive. >>> tonight, fans are mourning the passing of british pop star, george michael, who died on christmas day at his home in england. apparently, his

obamacare, most people are horrified by it specially after the exchange. the economy still sputtering. the world is in bad shape as well. world chaos, china's aggression in the south china sea. what else can they say? sandra: still not willing to accept this loss and it is time that they start to look within, the next one is pretty coming up pretty soon. >> there's no question blaming everybody else except joe bide even saying we missed. dagen: mad he did't win. >> he actually seemso get it. there was no message for most americans to get behi. there was no symbolic policy, there was a lot of people who just fell down trout, the only thing that had done so far is say no. hillary clinton's whole message is i'm not trump, trump is bad. now i'm going to go in and say no to all policies. it's not going to get people to rally behind them. that can't be no. >> the issue of taxes. all she can say, middle class i won't raise your taxes, not a very inspiring message. >> fair enough. dagen: steve, do you think, though, congress can get corporate tax cuts and overall

is obamacare alive and well and is it here to stay?>> part of the reason that you're seeing people signing up is they understand that this president and the republican congress have taken a position that the affordable care act is going to be done away and replaced with something else as soon as they have the ability to do so. which is heard you heard reports the day after election day of, for instance, lots of women looking into long-acting contra kepting methods that are currently covered in obamacare plan and they worry a quick change of regulation could mean they are no longer covered. we are seeing instances of people making healthcare choices based on the assumption that they think that the affordable care act will be going away. so i don't necessarily see the spiking numbers as a sign that the law is alive and well but rather that a lot of people realize that the political winds have shifted and republicans now control multiple levers of government that they can use to undo aca and people who like the law are really trying to ma