obviouslychina is one. iran has become a player. north korea was identified as the actor in the sony case. from an intelligence point of view, it make sense together data to try to figure out who individuals are and make decisions about it based on the information that you have. we have seen instances where they just want to take down a particular company or service that they think is in their national interest. there is a wide range of companies that has been targeted that you would not think would be on the list. it is something that almost every country in the u.s.. corey: the casino comes to mind is one that was targeted because of sheldon adelson. i am interested in understanding explain the difference between a cyber attack in cyber espionage. seen that necessarily kind of takedown. .ut people why haven't we seen it if we are so vulnerable. schwartz: a nationstate would really want to have to take down the company to make a point. . some people have said that it is an imminent threat i'm not quite sure about that. but it is a