i thought i would comment that the occ has an open case on this matter and that for occ investigators canvassed the neighborhood in late november and went to two of the streets where the incident happened at maxwell court and a canvassed every house on maxwell court by knocking on demeanors and leaving posters. the investigator in charge of the investigation is mary and she can be reached at the phone 415-7411. next week i will provide the commission with the november statistical report and finally, last week commissioner kingsley harassing asked me for failure to collect traffic stop maybe it wasn't commissioner kingsley at any case we looked at our data for 3 years and in those 3 years occ has sustained 4 officers for failure to collect traffic stop data. one office was sustained 3 times in 2011 and retire. another office was sustained twice and the 2013 adjudication by the cohesive is still preponderance of the evidence we filed that. a third officer was sustained 5 separate times and is before the police log commission and finally, there is a fourth officer who was sustained twice

call line item 4 d or b >> occ director's report and review of recent activities and the comprehensive statistical report for january one through january emphasizing and the mediation of complaint and adjudication of sustained complaints in 2013. >> good evening director hicks and good evening, members of the audience. you have the reports in your paycheck but in fwreef through november 2013, the okay occ received cases through 2012 when the occ received 6 hundred and unnecessary cases but closed 5 hundred and 32. we sustained 48 cases as of november 30th of this year we had pending case down as of the same time period in 2012 >> moving to cases that were mediated in november of 2013 the occ mediated 3 cases and that compares to 4 that were mediated in november nevada. between january 2012 and january 20, 1354, cases were mediated down if 58. move to adjudication of sustained complaint. chief suhr a.d. juktd occ cases where i determined sustainable allegation and encompassed discipline as follows:. one case was for a neglected doubt involved a traffic stop for failure to have license p

through 2012 when the occ received 6 hundred and unnecessary cases but closed 5 hundred and 32. we sustained 48 cases as of november 30th of this year we had pending case down as of the same time period in 2012 >> moving to cases that were mediated in november of 2013 the occ mediated 3 cases and that compares to 4 that were mediated in november nevada. between january 2012 and january 20, 1354, cases were mediated down if 58. move to adjudication of sustained complaint. chief suhr a.d. juktd occ cases where i determined sustainable allegation and encompassed discipline as follows:. one case was for a neglected doubt involved a traffic stop for failure to have license plate the officer wrong flu searched the trunk and failed to collect traffic data and received a republic manned >> the officer was the passenger in a marked impractical patrol vehicle go who yelled at a cyclist and used harsh and pronounce language there was a witness unrelated to the cyclist who was an attorney for the justification and collaborated the incident. the partner didn't see what happened but saw the o

president mazzucco we have a quorum and also, with us this evening is director jared hicks from the occ and chief of police. >> and thank you very much inspector monroe and welcome to the wednesday, november 6th, 2013, san francisco police commission meeting and ladies and gentlemen we have a full agenda and most will be in the closed session with the disciplinary matters and review of other issue and so we will spend a lot of time in closed session, but before that we will be in the open session and so please call line item number one. >> consent calendar, receive and file action. sfpd/occ third quarter, 2013 status report on general orders and policy proposals. >> commissioners have you this on the consent calendar in your packet under tab number one and are there any questions or concerns or in put? >> commissioner chan? >> i just had and just noticed when going through the report, that it looks like there are 1, 2, 3, 4, or so pending dgos that are with the command staff and just hope thating one of those gets to us soon. >> and i agree. >> and that is it. >> anybody else commission

. >> if i might respond what is expected of occ is to report out on any pending occ investigations buts to whether or not there's separate internal affairs or a separate district attorney investigation that's not the function of occ nor do we have that information that's held in want police department. >> right that's correct. >> and i also wanted to ask i know there of the some discussion prior to tonight how long an investigation takes with the impersonal fairdz and about the da's investigation. i was trying to do a little bit of background investigation has been been a long-range period of time for officer involved shootings. today know is there american people afternoon time i've heard it's about a year >> no i don't think that's the case. there's still several da investigations that are open and depending upon the complexity of the case it can take years >> is there an average. i don't have that >> and how about internal affairs. >> if there's an internal affairs investigation? >> that's part of why the item came up i expressed concern i want to make sure when there's an pending i

in part it's why it's put to the occ that's why is there any complaint that's been registered with the occ so we will know about it if there's something in the department liquor id or a criminal charge we ought to know about it. so it's a long w0i7b9d around way of i'd be in favor forgave of a disclosure so we have it calendared appropriately as a personnel matter. do you see a problem with it attach - >> i'm the chief of police. >> (laughter). >> yes. you are. >> i wanted to let dave off the hook. >> it's codify my call (laughter). >> so this isn't productive. there's a thousand years of police experience in that room. there's an order that has checks and balances. if you've ever sat in that room it's heated it's almost enforceable for an officer is not to get a metal it's a standing applause. it's a thorough thing it's transparent it's your prerogative to ask for more investigation to draw something out. you can ask anything you want to ask at&t any point. we'll not further a recommendation to you that has a cloud over it. i believe that the generation of this particular acquire was

the latter part of november the occ

through 2012 when the occ received 6 hundred and unnecessary cases but closed 5 hundred and 32. we sustained

the occ personnel should rind from entering into discussions and please limit our comments to 3 minutes >> time for public comment. >> good evening, commissioners. i'm happy to say we've made it to the end of the year i'm sad i won't be seeing you actually january. it's been an interesting year for jack i didn't and i have been able to meet and become evenly adam with another police captain. he's done an incredible job and the most powerful guy in the room knows i'm not easily expressed. with the champion kers he's tale an interest in the street and has come out on his own and made arrests of the people who are smoking in the bus stop in the shelter which is one of my pet peeves i don't care what you're smoking unless it's pot. it's really made a difference. this is the second meeting that he and i have been together because we had a community meeting with jane kim concerning the shooting on market street and jones and it was, you know, was most of the more than he was there and chipper as usual so i get to add him to the people i enjoy working with and it's champion michael redd anyone

thank you, deputy chief oko and it has been vetted as well, with the occ. and we have a few other items that we want to amend, based on the last, many comments that i want to thank director hicks for providing and it has been a lot of work by two very competent very dedicated assistant deputy city attorneys, so thank you very much for your assistance on that as well. so, with that, i think that we have discussed the resolution, in detail. and it has received the approval of those who were required to do most of the reporting. we have tried to trim out things that we really could trim out and i think that there are a few items that we just need to cover and then we can take any questions that you may have on it. did you want to cover up the one that... >> yeah, thank you, commissioner turman. on page 6 of the resolution, there is an action item 15, and in speaking with director hiks, regarding this item, subsequent to this hand out being printed and contributed. we would like to include or director hiks proposed this modification. instead of reading as it pr

we had an incident the occ didn't have a chance to respond and officer hicks was not on the agenda. again, we move back to does this belong to the commission or is this one the one of the oldest traditions. do we even have a is in this. when you look at this it's the tradition of the police department it's their award. it's a delicate balance but again, we have to be cognizant there's always going to be a lawsuit. and what those officers did it's not fair to wait. and back to the question what takes so long for the officer shootings. i ouch wonder what takes so long. if a homicide occurred right outside of the city hall and the suspect was arrested they'd be in court monday. everybody is krots their i i - everybody is waiting for someone to make the decision and that's from the da's office. that's what we need to a look at. that's my two kent >> i was going to deter to commissioner thank you, your honor man, i know you represented you were the president of the last award cycle. did you want to add anything. it was a very fulfilling experience. certainly i agree with the chief there'

. >> the occ rules prevented the follow-up interview. >> probably more appropriately be discussed in closed session should the commission wish to do so but the occ provided the officer with a preliminary finding and this was an incidents where the follow-up spoof was not about the evidence before the cohesive it was about whether or not the officer was lying. and so there was a suggestion by internal faifrz description of to bring up a altercation that the officer was lying and bring the officer back in and ask the officer whether or not he had a different thought about his denial. so - >> commissioner commissioner chan. >> thank you. i've noticed in the previous reports the majority reports theirs admonishment and not a suspension. i'm wondering in the progressive policy and practices are those cases and other cases getting any specifics is it the first time offense >> yes. the first time offense our for all. >> so the second time. >> that's a republic manned. >> for instance, there was a case that was a first offense started with a republic manned. >> thank you. >> commissioner lof