movement because during the occupy wall street movement there was you know a belief by this generation the millennial zz and the genesee that wall street was abusing them in some way and they wanted to make the message clear that they weren't going to abide by the money printers and the ponzi scheme operators but it was an abstract concept now in 20 twentieth's real campaign my rent so now that wall occupy wall street movement should really become. more. i should say pronounced as it becomes part of the global insurrection against banker occupation that we've been talking about for 10 years well it's basically occupied that there was a think there was a subset of occupy wall street that because the dead is occupied them it's occupied our economy and our infrastructure and our supply chains and this is what is coming unglued as we try to maintain this system you know we have all these senators and congresspeople plugging the holes of this debt system as they emerge i mean we're on face for another $250000000000.00 plus oh no another $500000000000.00 so we're continuing to plug in these

from occupy wall street in 2011 and black lives in 2013 and onward. .. ... >> so we don't have the same thing which is a socialist part one - - socialist party of austerity. so it is a different residence to be a little more novel or fun i think that those that implement tuition hikes or public service. c don't have that either living with the should the socialist party. and trying to figure out what that looks like. >> never say never. [laughter] you also mentioned that was said in the introductionon i tht you deliberately don't off on - - offer a definition of socialism or ask the contributors to do so either. do you want to say the reasoning for that quick. >> yes i think part of this comes for me on the socialist resurgence of the us or even the labour party in the uk which very much comes out of the very different version of socialis socialism, but i have to be a little dishonest with that authoritative definition but it is a movement at this point. so not to have five little groups competing with each other and that they managed to work together that there is a commitment to have

you saw emergence of these by occupy wall street in 2011. black lives in 2013 and 2014 and onward and the rights movement, sort of 2015. wave of teachers strikes starting in chicago. these moments sort of kick off, but are coming from different places, right, so people who are involved in all of these movements come from organizing traditions which are much, much older and have their roots in many cases in organized labor and unions built by socialists and maybe purged at some point, but socialist roots sort of all of these things. so i think there is this real sort of -- that pops up again once this sort of -- manages to cool down and people want an alternative and it's not enough to say we don't want this, don't want that. socialism is to say that there's something we're working toward like i said before. something idiosyncratic to the u.s. we've never had for many of those reasons we are talking about, we've never had a democratic socialist party. we've had socialist party, but we have not contested for power in meaningful way. we don't h

so there is a balance between direct democracy and then to occupy wall street they will tell you maybe that's not the best form for democratic decision-making but that is striking a balance of how you guarantee. and to have a say what affects our lives that may not be contingent. and there is some interesting history but the italian reforms that we are not the product of democratic votes. the supreme court decision but we were not voted on. after the film wasm is democracy, but yeah there are a lot of people who might not want that for the majority of people in the country. and what do you do about that? 51 percent of the country does not want that then what do you do? it's a constant struggle to be worked out. hunger games style. >> one more question. >>. >> what are your thoughts of the continue dissent of democratic socialism in a two-party system that we have here? >> i think we will see a lot in the next couple months including on monday. [laughter]in talking about bernie sanders they are already seeing people starting to lose their minds a little bit with the process. democratic

having this iconic protest take place almost outside your door it changed everything for me occupy wall street felt like love occupy wall street was the space where i found my political voice where i realized that i could be smart where i realized i could speak before occupy i was an artist a pretty well known artist in my world but one who spent all of her time drawing in nightclubs drawing the sort of rich hedge fund people who had destroyed the world and then drawn my glittering friends who danced for them and entertained them and i became a writer because of occupy i was arrested the 1st anniversary of i remember i remember meeting me you sent me a message of the pictures that you do people and see that you've got your hands behind your back and you're looking pretty defiant i was pretty defiant i had a police officer i grabbed me by the arm pull me into the street and arrest me for blocking traffic and my 1st piece of writing that ever really meant anything was an article about my arrest and i wasn't angry because i had such a bad arrest i didn't know what hit me you know it's certainly w

black panthers to occupy wall street, to antifa, two of the other ground, but this is evil, when in factt is uniquely american. people don't like to be told by their government, but the best american protest that i've seen in my lifetime was when the new york mayor set up a tip line so that you could narc on your fellow citizens if they weren't social distancing. what did americans do? they filled up his tip line with porn, insults, and memes. our founding fathers would be crying with pride over that. because i am. that's american. >> jesse: [laughs] nothing says america like flooding someone's inbox with porn. dana perino, greg mentioned the snobbery, let's listen to cuomo and what he had to say about people getting jobs. >> you want to go to work, taken a job as an essential worker. do it tomorrow. right? you are working. you are an essential worker, so go take a job as an essential worker. to speak about people aren't hiring -- >> there are people hiring. you can get a job as an essential worker. so now you can go to work, and you can be an essential worker, and you are not going to k

this is where bernie sanders and occupy wall street came from is why don't i have any ability to think and exercise my political muscles around me because all they know, all they think of is washington, d.c. so they say that it must be because the special interests have that much control and of course the special interests have controlled that sort ocontrolbue end of this is i spent the night speaking it won't need to occupy wall street and i told the story in the because they didn't understand what they were talking about because there was occupy dc and when i ask people what they were upset about these of the implementation of the rule. [laughter] usa what are you upset about. the wealthy and putting us had too much control and life of common ground. there will be th a war against bailout and corporate welfare. what are the policies you don't like. well, the lack of campaign finance reform. what else, citizens united. they are in a closed room, it's smoke-filled and you are logged out. what are they doing in that room that you dislike? and they said we are making sure the voice of th

control but the promise at the end of this with bernie sanders i spent a night sleeping at occupy wall street and they tell the story of the book they do not understand what they were talking about there was a couple of them and when i asked them what they are upset about the implementation of the voelker rule. [laughter] >> actually most of them worked. [laughter] up in the ducati park what you upset about? that the banks have too much control over washington i thought common ground or bailouts or war or corporate welfare. what are the policies you don't like? >> the lack of campaign-finance reform. what else? >> citizens united. okay fine all special interest are in a closed room it is smoke-filled you are locked out what are they doing in that room that you dislike? making sure the voice of the people isn't heard so it seems like there is no bottom but it took me years later to write about the alienation that is a real complaint that you don't have the ability that you are reaching out in the image of the gym there's nothing to reach out and grab you are there standing alone and you think

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looking at asked the time we closely most closely approached a democratic banking system now occupy wall street is one of the more well known grassroots movements. with ordinary citizens calling for public control over financial institutions there's also the public banking institute how do newer movements compare to the historic ones in your book every moment in time throughout history has its own particular problems that it needs to solve and so we adapt to those and there is a case of the environment say ecological problems pollution the global climate crisis this was nothing anyone was thinking about before in the sixty's or in the seventy's or even more recently and so a lot of the activists today they're interested in having a financial system that will fund and promote a more sustainable economy and that is just not something that people were thinking about earlier on so you have these new issues that come into play and our activism changes and evolves with those issues and their earlier 20th century people were much more focused on purely just economic problems the kinds of things making

but the potential for disorder is really enormous always sought a movement started with the occupy wall street movement and we've been covering on our show the global answer action against banker occupation we've had you on many many times in your work as always tied the ecological all emerge and say what the financial emergency and how those 2 interact with each other and now you know we're at the point where your prophecy i don't want to you know put too fine a point on it but your work of the one emergent say you know this is what we're this is where we're at so i come i ask you what is the what's going to happen next it's been kind of weird for me to go because i feel like i'm living in a prequel of my own books i wrote a 4 novel series of books about. fictionalized american economic collapse and it took place in the aftermath of that it was called the world made by hand series so i feel like i'm living in the prequel of those novels and really what happens next is that history for really compels us to make different choices and different arrangements and these mainly revolve around the ne

to exercise and flex their political muscles and they think, i think this were very sad and occupy wall street came from. they say why don't i have any ability to exercise my political muscles in the shape the world around the? he goes all the know, all they of his washington, d.c. they say it must be because the special interest have too much control. of course special interest have too much control but sort of the promised at the end of this is, at the end of the bernie -- i spent the night sleeping occupy wall street and i tell the story in the book of how i just didn't understand what they're talking about because there was an occupy d.c., a couple of them and would ask people what you're upset about. the limitation of the volcker rule -- [laughing] it was these wonks in drum circles here often speak most of whom worked at omb. [laughing] >> what you upset about? well, it's that the wealthy and the banks have too much control over washington. i thought, ground, they will be against wars, against bailouts, against corporate welfare. what are the policies you don't like? well, the lack of ca

economic support that we saw big business, specifically banks, go ahead let to the rise of occupy wall streeta portion of this country that felt like the little guy loses out and the by guy wins. we know there's a huge amount being doled out to support business, as well as individuals. how careful does the government and business have to be right now to not worsen that divide? >> i think it's an opportunity to potential -- it is a patriotic moment like it was post-9/11 that this it was a moment post 2008-2009, when it was who's at fault? who will benefit and who will suffer? we're all in this together, and we saw this at the top of the -- brooks brothers making masks, these companies making shields, ventilators, companies committing not to lay people off. all the these commitments for companies who didn't have to do it, but they're doing it because of the shared sense of sacrifice. i think that will reflect well on these brands, on businesses, and frankly on americans in an others polarized teem. so it feels more like a post-9/11 moment than a post-2009 moment. >> scott, do we believe that to

he's a former occupied wall street leader who has become one of the top democratic political operativesthey collect signatures with left-wing ballot initiatives and now but murray wants them to be paid to collect information on her citizens health. to do that this group was going to use software from every action fan. that's a company that brags the leading democratic provider. the software is used by planned parenthood, nexgen client, and and up banning abortions. she is selling lotto tickets this almost worked. banning abortions. gretchen whitmer shoveling tax dollars to political allies in the middle of a pandemic. tobut today the michigan press outlet asked her office, why are you hiring a far left-wing activist to lead a public health initiative in the middle of an emergency? wouldn't that be like the president replacing anthony fauci with steve b bannon? it would be seen as political, nothing against steve bannon but that would not be seen as a nonpart partisan move made in the name of science. would it? whitmer's office replied by canceling the contract. they were caught this tim

he's really worried that when we get out -- when the lockdowns end, that there's going to be occupy wall streetn steroids because of this. he told me that he and some other banks have decided not to process some of the loans from these outfits, arguing that these are companies, for example, hedge funds, their fees are down but they are still making money. remember that. they are still bringing in fees. brokers, brokerage teams, private financial advisers that apply for this stuff, still get fees from clients. law firms, guess what, they get fees, too. so what the banks are saying, some of these banks are saying no, we're not going to process your loans. others obviously have and that's the problem we have here. some of these outfits obviously took money away from all the people that we hear from day in and day out, small, legitimate small businesses, mom and pops. not only that, people that run cleaning services, they can't get the money and these brokers and financial advisers and hedge fund guys are applying and are getting the money. like i said, some banks, i know one banker, you know the g

tracing, but it's been criticized as a far-left activist political group linked to a former occupy wall streete state's top democrat political operatives. collecting signatures in support of left-wing ballot initiatives, now she was trying to get that company to be paid to collect information on state citizens health. so, you know, governor whitmer is now blasting protesters saying we're going to have a longer quarantine because -- [inaudible] from your protests, state residents, is you're forcing us to stay in this posture longer and lock down longer because you're not doing social distancing, possibly creating more infections. your reaction to her actions here. >> well, i think that's probably a challenge, when it comes to getting outside group like that to run the show, you know, the people that serve in these jobs should be there regardless of who is in charge politically. and with your board of health, etc. that a makes a lot of sense x that's how it should be, and that's the way it's supposed to be. when you start engaging in these entities that have political ties, this is not something

they thought there would be another occupy wall street scenario that's brewing because small businessest getting the money and they would have to lay off a lot of people. the small business advocacy groups basically wanted their members to be treated fairly. puts them ahead of the line, not the hedge fund, not the brokerage firm, not the big -- the publicly traded company that could tap the public market. again, look at the language in the bill and from what i understand, based on my last reading of the draft that was sent around, the democrats are getting some stuff that they wanted, hospitals. i don't think there's aid to states in this bill. that's an interesting thing. by the way, state governments are getting crushed now. that may be the next leg of the bailouts. as you know, reported yesterday, illinois is one of the states that people think cannot pay its bills and could theoretically be turned down by municipal bond market when it comes back and issues bonds in may because of its desperate fiscal situation, even before this happened the pandemic made their unfunded liabilities i

do you remember when occupy wall street was born? it was after the financial crisis when there wasn't transparency around how that tapper money was given out to institutions. now you're seeing the administration take away more and more oversight and give more and more control to secretary mnuchin. and i'm not saying secretary mnuchin is up to anything nefarious, but while the country is literally suffering from a health crisis and we're dying economically, not being transparent about where all of this money goes could create true social unrest, where income inequality could get significantly worse and people will be standing up, fighting against this. that is my biggest fear of what we will see one year from now. >> thank you for a forthright, if not thoroughly scary answer, stephanie ruhle, who covers all manner of economics for us. >>> there are some major staffing shake ups happening at the white house amid all of this. the press secretary, who americans have never seen brief the press, stephanie grisham, that woman, will be stepp

that makes occupy wall street look like child's play? >> right. >> okay.king about the -- what inequality is doing to this country and can do if it gets worse. and i am 100% with you, stephanie, that this is going to create that. i'm hoping -- i am hoping that we figure out a way over the next couple of weeks in terms of these programs to make them more accessible to people who actually need the money. you know, i think there's one question that we need to ask, though, about how we're distributing this money. you want the money to be distributed to those who need it most first. and right now we have it backwards. the people who are getting it first are the people who can get to the front of the line first. and we need to somehow reverse that system. the other question what you're raising if you're wealthy, a private equity firm, if you're on wall street and had success, should you get access to these loans at all is an interesting question. i don't know the answer yet. i'll tell you why. because part of what i think the government is trying to do is create

lives matter, some of the indigenous activists around climate so many of the people i know from occupy wall streetys this is the worst time to live which is why i'm a climate activist but it's also a golden age for formulating new tools and perspectives and ideas and i feel really lucky with the company i keep just in what i read and hear as well as who i know personally. thank you for letting me go into that. >> had a question about remorse. i think you mentioned the golden age we seem to be in now with people twriting and discussing i feel personally empowered by words to things i've only felt before or empathy from things i never said out loud and discovering that loads of people think the same thing. what i wondered one of the feelings i'd be interested to hear about is remorse i didn't know then what i know now. or the feeling that that time has been lost or that could have been a different behavior. i wondered how you dealt with that if you felt it at all and if there's anything can take from it moving forward. >> i think part of middle age for me has been kind of acceptance that we progress

let's remember that the last crisis produced the tea party and occupy wall street they will be knitting will be knitting circles compared to what's going to explode after this >> all right thanks, tom. just listen to everything very quietly. was not -- just wanted to end on clarifying it. >> you get two strokes >> don't bring up -- that galls me to no end how good you play >> this is not my tease. is it. i'll introduce senator cramer again. i got to go to a tease here. i'm ready. this is very complicated north ireland chairman, going from tomato glenn hutchins talking about the delicate task about banks and carson block how he spotted fraud at luckin coffee we'll share live with us in just a couple of moments. you want me to show boeing or not? w sits in green ase head to break. we're not going to do that the anyway we're going to break. we'll be back in a few yes. it's the first word of any new discovery. but when allergies attack, the excitement fades. allegra helps you say yes with the fastest non-drowsy allergy relief and turning a half hearted yes, into an all in yes. allegra. live