that is the place to start -- spending on health care ochrcur. that is the place to start.ost: john lott, is this the place to start? >> they have done this before, and it will result in -- guest: they have done this before, and of the remaining private insurers out there are going have to pay more. unfortunately, for some time they will be able to impose higher costs on private insurers. the entire program that the president has is to try to eliminate private insurance and replaced it with government insurance. at that point you will see a situation where hospitals are forced out of business. host: from "the washington post," they report that the president proposed subsidies tossed bottles, "and -- proposed subs -- proposed subsidies to hospitals. guest: if they were able to help those patients, there would be a substitution. host: do you go along with the plan that has to go with subsidies to uninsured patients? guest of the president's plan is not to get rid of private insurance -- guest: the president's plan is not to get rid of private insurance. as i said, we spend mo