i love the less well-known countries -- companies such as odc. >> you say that you will be here until 2014. this year is a $165 million budget and you have 14 members on your board that are members of congress. are they expected to go back to the congress and get more taxpayer money for this? >> no, that is not how we use them. it will use them when we want to do work for their communities. we have appropriations committees that we work with. we have an annual hearing and we make our proposal and to work &d. a land of the -- ln bucks one not? what i do not think it is necessarily appropriate -- >> why not? >> i do not think it is necessarily appropriate. >> what is your supposition of the future of the arts. you have come through this bad. financially. what is it or to look like going forward? >> >> children participate in the arts through their teen years and i know a lot of people move away from the arts because they start dating and they start thinking about their careers and they go to college most people have very little discretionary time. they do not participate in the arts ann

but i like some of the less well known companies, national companies like odc, which is in san franciscorun by brenda way is a wonderful company. there are great dance companies everywhere. >> you say you're going to be here until 2014 and this year is $165 million budget. you have 14 members on your board. there are members of congress, three cabinet officers. do you look to them? are they expected to go back to the congress and get more taxpayer money for this? >> no, that's not how we use them. we really use them as we want to do work in their communities. so we have a relationship with the appropriations committees that we work with and the authorizing committees in the house and the senate, and we do our annual hearings and we make our proposals and we work with omb. but we don't really use our congressional numbers to lobby on our behalf in that way. >> why not? >> because i don't think it's necessarily appropriate. i think really why are those people in our board is because we are a national institution. we need to serve the nation and we need the input of these members and of the