now jack odell had been an organizer for the national maritime, and jack odell, when he had appeared before one of the committees he had taken the fifth amendment and so forth. the difference between jack odell and stanley and relationship to martin is stanley had told martin that he had been a member of the communist party and severed his relationship with him, okay? jack odell never told martin. it just never became an issue but he never told him. so that when president kennedy revealed this about stanley, i don't know exactly what martin said in the conversation with the president, but in effect -- no, no, he said i told the president and i knew about stanley's background but there was a surprise about jack o'dell the president said they had to go. and the used the analogy at that time it was a scandal with the government and it was a sort of affair and he said i don't want -- if you get brought down meeting if you get brought down as a civil rights leader you will bring us down because we have a major civil rights bills and you've got to get rid of it. so, you know, the very next