we have the norse gods of oden, and then saint nicholas, who was one of the more famous people who was a gift-giver. then we have the evolution of santa who was actually called sinter claus, where we got the came from the dutch traditions. but he represents more of an americanized idea of a gift-giver rather than a religious and pious symbol. >> reporter: when the kids come in and see you, do you tell them historical stories or -- >> we tell them both. absolutely they have some kind of a little image with them that tells about different moral aspects as well. this is what was done at the time. so even the toys and the stories everything and else always had messages for them. and so it was very important to do that. >> reporter: okay. and so if i was -- am i too big and too old now to sit on your lap? would i be able to put my request in for you? >> you're never too old to believe. that's one of the main mottos. and they say if you don't believe in santa, then you get underwear. ho ho ho! >> reporter: well, i believe in santa. maybe this time you'll give me the doll i asked for! tell us

take, for instance, one of our plaintiffs in the aclu lawsuit, barbara oden.eeds to prove her identity and so needs to get a social security card. she shows up at the social security office, and they tell her she needs a photo i.d. to get her social security card, so she's not a trained lawyer, and she's stuck in a catch-22 and goes home and thinks i can't vote. well, you know, that's simply not fair, and anyone who would disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters like barbara in the name of of legitimacy and integrity, well, they should probably look up the definition of those two words. >> well, rita, let me show you why i agree with john, and we've been fighting this on the show, and my work with the action network. look at the data. the republican national lawyers association says, and this is -- they are defending this, since 2004 out of 11 million votes cast, there's only 23 cases of fraud. so they are not solving a problem. there's no problem. they are creating the problem in undermining people's right to vote. this is 0.0002%. you're a teacher and