you interned at odeo, and shared a desk with jack dorsey. what was that like?evin: when i showed up for my first day of work, i got this puzzled look, and they said, that is right, we hired an intern. but they were super nice to me. and without that experience, i don't think i would have the same passion for social media as i do today. jack is super creative and an awesome engineer as well. it was great to meet them and learn from them very early on. emily: what did you learn? kevin: you learn that your first and you doesn't always work out. i learned at odeo, not at twitter. o notember very clearly ode quite working. as they made the transition, i realized that often when you are a company, you need to put it into something else. instagram has a similar history. we were working on a game called "bourbon," and that turned into instagram. emily: your first instagram photo was of your girlfriend's foot. a stray dog . it was maybe the first filter that was even more consequential. kevin: if i knew that instagram would get to this place, i would have tried a little