gospel song against the wishes of the network executives in every show, but he brought on people like odettataylor, and louis armstrong. he knew more songs than anyone i ever knew. at one point he turned to his daughter roseann, who was beginning a career, and asked, do you know this song? she said no, and he got worried and said, you need to know it. he wrote down a list of songs that were critical that she needed to know. it is interesting that she has carried forward the tradition of forward the tradition of a generous, wide embrace of so many different styles in american music. host: and he testified in front of the senate on the part of prison reform. the streets should be a safe place for a wife and children to walk down. men needhis to happen, to be treated as human beings. if not, when they are turned into the streets, they will not act like human beings. was he political about this? guest: roseann says he could carry two equal opposing beliefs and care about them equally. so even if he did not care about it in the sense it was oppositional, he knew that prisoners were human beings.