and you find that it is odm against odm deaths. kenyan human rights commission, and human rights watch again say that the vast majority of these people were killed by the police or security forces, either in crossfire or shot at directly. yes. you accept that? well, i don't accept it. particularly in opposition strongholds like nya nza in the west of kenya. yes, yes. in opposition strongholds, first of all, there was a lot of odm on odm killing during the nominations. those figures adapt to... odm is of course one of the opposition parties. the orange democratic movement. opposition members against opposition members, killing themselves. that is fact. nobody can deny it. but it's also the police. and then... 0k. it's the police as well. i have to say to raphael tuju... i'll go to the police. no, i want to explain the police. the police are human beings. you approach them with cruel weapons, with knives, with machetes, i don't think they should be standing there waiting for you to kill them. we did lose policemen. it would not be al