bed base meaning the number of beds. base in the oecd countries. in the oecd countries. bed base meaning the number of beds. it is recognised we need to find more beds and the third feature which i would say, but which is important, we need more staff in our emergency departments to cope with the increased demand. john is right, there has been an incremental change around minor illness and primary care, but that's not our main problem. our main problem is being able to care for the patients who are able to care for the patients who a re really able to care for the patients who are really ill. and those are the features i identified to simon stevens features i identified to simon steve ns a nd features i identified to simon stevens and oh but more importantly, the medium—term solutions that we need to find in order to stop wasting the money that we are at the moment. you talk about funding. john, just, you know, put this in context the funding situation at the moment because the government say they have invested, there has been this big argument wit

tom: he is the oecd secretary-general. one of the great public servants of mexico. thank you very much. weight interview. a little bit of breaking news. this is the reserve requirement for some of the biggest banks in china. the pboc has reduced or cut its reserve requirement on five of the main banks. this takes us into the chinese new year. a lot of this is helping the market get through the chinese new year. anna: a lot of reports suggesting the monetary authority has committed a cut of one percentage point before the break. the pboc not responding to comments, but this being reported by reuters. manus: not having a huge impact on dollar-yuan. just trimming back some of the gains. it is a davos day. this is bloomberg. ♪ guy: you are watching bloomberg markets. this is the european open. i'm guy johnson. i'm in london. matt miller is in berlin. erik schatzker joining us from davos. what are we watching? the trump era begins. the president-elect takes office at 5:00 p.m. u.k. time. what will the next four years old? treasury secretary nominee steven mnuchin takes o

one is that lawmakers and the staff feel that process is that the oecd uses is not fair. the allegations can be made public while the investigation is going on. the office of congressional recommendations and some other reports can be made public and those can be detailed at times. lawmakers do not like the fact that that is aired out in public while the investigation is still going on. in mind point to keep is that the ethics committee is bipartisan and has the same number of republicans and democrats, which is very rare. in they the party majority would have more members on that committee, but the ethics committee is evenly split. lawmakers think of it as a more fair and neutral committee . it is still lawmakers looking into the ethics breaches of themselves and staff members. that still raises questions. host: how does the office of congressional ethics treat anonymous tips? guest: currently they are allowed to pursue them. one of the changes proposed by congress when goodlatte would have for pay them from looking into anonymous tips. critics were concerned that people

on an international level, organisations like the oecd and others are trying to come up with an internationalpler and also to avoid loopholes and tax evasion. if donald trump ploughs ahead with his plans, that will make it more, located, won't it? if donald trump's plans go through, ironically it will be a very low rate. the uk would arguably already be undercutting it because we are going to rate of i7%. his of 1596 we are going to rate of i7%. his of 15% to have the white and state taxes, when you add on those they would be about 20%. we would be undercutting donald trump and his tax system would not be recognisably like ours or the rest of the world. ironically it is the republican leadership in congress that want to change the nature of the tax system to make it a hybrid between corporation tax and vat, that would make it a very different system to other countries, opening up the polls and double tax and so on. it's very complicated and the devil is in the detail —— opening up loopholes. the other big story that is just around, and news coming out about it this morning. britain's royal ba

childcare in britain costs more than every other oecd country apart from switzerland and takes up overwage and yet it's hardly mentioned in his green paper. this is the way to liberate the talent of women, what's he going to do about it? in the green paper that the secretary of state has brought forward there is mention of an overhaul of technical and vocational education. can i say to him i think what this country needs is a cultural change, a shift to valuing technical and vocational education and skills education as highly as it does academic education? and until that changes, the secretary of state will not achieve what he wants, however much all of us want him to. the prime minister's strategy lacks concrete proposals for wales, considering our £5 billion of trade and good net surplus with the eu, wales is set to suffer most at the result of the pursuit of a brutal brexit. does the minister accept that doing nothing to counter the loss of the eu convergence funding will serve only to exacerbate the already significant geographical wealth and earnings inequalities which characteris

we have a corporate tax rate of 39% federal and state compared with an oecd average of 2596.hat the statutory rate is as high as you say and it probably should come down, we probably agree on that but corporations pay their average effective rate, what they actually paid to the eye and are as is 26%, so paid to the eye and are as is 26%, so very much what diana said as the international rate. the problem is to get that they take advantage of so to get that they take advantage of so many loopholes that all of us would agree are a mess and should be fixed. they are not going overseas to games the tax system, they are gaming and here. i want to bring up something donald trump has talked about, tariffs. if you look at the auto industry, he has said that american car companies should be producing the cars in the us, otherwise they face tariffs. what do you think of that idea of tariffs? is there a danger of a trade war of other countries retaliating? tariffs always have to be kept in the back pocket. the fundamental problem is that we have so many regulations that we have so many

we have the highest tax rates in oecd nations.here is a sense that working together, working properly, we can make it more advantageous to be a public company. the number of public companies is down by half over the last 20 years. it is time, perhaps overdue, to redo regulations. erik: i am glad you cited the decline in public companies. why are there so many fewer public companies that 1995? devilst me give you the advocate position. cap is upate market about three times. the companies are much larger. it says something about what is the entry cost to be a public company. erik: the jobs act was supposed to fix that. tom: it was helpful. dodd-frank, the entirety of it, title vii, some of the specific regulations companies are wrestling with, conflict minerals, proxy access, all of these things, including the increasing role of activist investors is increasing fixed costs. it is harder for smaller companies. figure companies can hire an army of auditors. in the shadow has grown an enormous private financing industry. what can be do

we spend a lower amount of gdp compared to other countries by oecd calculations.was when tony blair put the money in and made an investment. we need a similar investment now. you are the tory minister talking about the need for a tony blair, gordon brown government splurge? i care about the health service. i care about patients. that made a difference. with gordon brown, tony blair or theresa may, we need to make a difference. if that isn't done, do you have to look at the services that can no longer be offered? i think you're right. if it isn't done we need to send some of the practices we have into general practice. if we resource them better, we will keep patients out of hospital and we will hopefully be able to ride this crisis. fundamentally we get what we pay for and if we don't put more money we can't pay for anything. thank you. around the world there has been a significant increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics. increasingly, parents with children who say they've been born in the wrong gender, are adopting a gender affirmative

oecde: still ahead, the has warned that global property prices have climbed to dangerous levels. we will ask mitch if he agrees. betty: up next, is the trump trade dead or alive as we get set for the inauguration? we have christian from deutsche bank. this is bloomberg. ♪ betty: this is "daybreak: asia." i'm betty liu in new york. yvonne: and i'm yvonne man in hong kong. bhp billiton down 0.8% in sydney after the announcement of a proposal to settle claims in 2015's fatal them collapse in brazil. the deal sets out a timeline for settling $48 billion in claims against bhp. a final deal is expected by the end of june and still needs court approval. 19 people died in brazil's worst environmental disaster. betty: american express says fourth-quarter profit fell more than 8% as expenses ballooned and more money was set aside to cover bad loans. or income was $825 million $.88 a share. the ceo warned results would be uneven after the loss of costco. it has embarked on a revamp and a cost-cutting project to fill that void. yvonne: viacom's paramount pictures has received a chinese lifel

just revealed a massive survey the social media giant unveiled an partnership with the world bank and oecdt up with nicola mendelsohn and asked her about the major takeaways from the survey. take a listen. we are feelingd pretty confident about where the businesses are right now, but the outlook for six months, and that is when we are feeling much more confident. go into the survey and have a look at different countries and how they are feeling. one of the things that stuck out to me was that the uk's small businesses work on the whole feeling more confident than the rest of europe about the outlook for their businesses. when you look further into the survey, you can see businesses that are embracing online tools are businesses more likely to be working internationally and be selling around the world. that is something different we have seen as a result of mobile technology. when i was growing up and my parents had a small business, they could only sell in their geographical vicinity, in the area they were in, but now if you understand your customers come in you can sell anywhere in the wo

we are now down to 2.5%, which puts us in the middle of the oecd pack instead of being far out in front middle of the pack is not exceptionalism, is it? abby: not at all, particularly since we could be doing much better. tom: within this is the idea of jumpstarting us to something new. where does it come from? does it come from government policy? or does it come from crisis? abby: what we have to understand is that crisis in the united states often pushes us in the right direction, not just in terms of the corporate response, but also the government response. and one of the things that has been disappointing, i think, has been that, as a nation, we have not made the investments in the future that we have seen in the past. infrastructure spending, of course, is something that has bipartisan support. would it have been better to do have done it during the worst part of the financial crisis, yes, when unemployment was higher? but that is not a reason not to do it now. what we have to recognize though is that some of the discussions about infrastructure are talking about it being privately

there's some interesting statistics that while oecd national debt is $44 trillion, pension debt is almost78 trillion. the reason pension debt has gone up, interest rates have gone down, that liabablablability ha more expensive. >> you have this active/passive thing going on where all the money keeps flowing to passive funds out of active. are alternatives an exception? >> the world is split in two directions. in public markets there's a massive move towards passive. on the other side, active investing is going totally to alternatives. so the alternative marketplace is growing robustly. returns have been good. as a result more capital is flowing into alternatives at the same time that perhaps the hunting ground has gotten leaner. let's talk about a couple of your famous investments. you were an early investor in huber. got huge scale now, the market leader, yet still not turning a profit. are you pleased with its progress or is it still under threat from others like lyft showing up. >> i think from here it's still an interesting play. we're examining not only what it is as a transportation

this is from the oecd. we are more leisure time than ever, we're working less.y you at city college to teach your students this. this is just wrong. >> it's not wrong. we have plenty of evidence, the economic policy institute has dozens of papers on how americans are more productive and working more than ever before. and wages have not kept up with that. john: wages. we have a chart of becames. the average household -- of wages. the average household income has grown by 40% for the middle 49% for the bottom fifth over the past 30 years, wages plus benefits. >> real wages. john: this is adjusted for inflation. >> real wages have not gone up. john: but they have -- [laughter] >> you don't have, you don't have the purchasing power that you had 30 years ago. john: we have more purchasing power and things are cheaper. this used to cost $1,000. >> absolutely. but, you know what? more people are in debt. john: and china's doing better. >> on some things. john: so we could learn from china? a government-controlled economy? that does better? >> yes, we can. john: it wasn

the 2017 feature of business survey with the oecd. up with the vice president of europe and africa. also the major takeaways from the surgery. -- survey. take a look. guest: pretty confident about where the businesses are now. what is interesting is the outlook for six months. that is when they are feeling more confident. you can go into the survey and really dig and have a look at different countries how they are feeling. one of the things that stuck out to me was that the u.k. small businesses were feeling much more confident than the rest of europe. when you start to look further into the survey you can see that businesses that are embracing online to her are being visited more likely to be working internationally, that is something that we have seen as a result of mobile technology. parentsas growing up my got a small business and my grandparents had a small business. if you understand your customers you can actually sell anywhere in the world. shows the challenges that businesses are facing as well in that respect. caroline: coul

and the thing that i take away, this is oecd data from 2014, the latest we have.oxes right here, the ones that i've shaded lightly, just now with my handy dandy little pen, and that covers, if you're in that box, you have a country whose life expectancy is between 80 and 84 years, and if you're in that box, your per capita on health care is $3,000 to $5,000. as you can see, the bulk of our economic competitors are in that box. and here we are way the heck out there. i'm a believer in american exceptionalism, but not in this way, because our life expectancy is equivalent to czechoslovakia and croatia. and that's not the way it should be. and our spending is worse than switzerland and netherlands which are the least efficient and most expensive per capita health care systems among those oecd nations. so it seems to me that it shouldn't be asking too much of us to try to get into a place where we're competitive with england and france and germany and australia and austria and so many other countries who manage to provide good health care to their populations at a rea

we have the worst levels of income disparity of most of the oecd countries in this country.is getting worse. corporate taxation is a part of it. if we want to live in a part of it. if we want to live in a more it at every and society and fund our public services, we cannot go on creating worst levels of inequality. there should be a law to limit income? i think let's look at it. you have got a view on it. tell us it. you have got a view on it. tell us what it is. what i want to see... to get the figure, a law to limit maximum earnings? i would like to see it, ithink maximum earnings? i would like to see it, i think it would be a fairer thing to do. we cannot set ourselves up thing to do. we cannot set ourselves up as being a grossly unequal, bargain basement economy on the shores of europe. we have to be something that is more a gal at every, gives real opportunities to everybody, and properly funds our services. look at the crisis in the nhs as an example. that is massive. any reaction so far? i rang one of his press people. isaid, far? i rang one of his press people. i sai

reserve at the time, and we did it in a coordinated fashion with the iea, with other -- with our other oecd partners, and we had conversations with other producers about what their intentions were as far as increasing production. but that's at a very, very extreme level that happens as a result of an extraordinary event that changes the market not from market forces doing that. obviously, opec tried major interventions that ben described before when prices went -- even dipped into the single digits for a while where the headlines were will we ever see $20 oil again? and that was the same question we asked when we were at $100 oil just from a different perspective. i think it's hard to say what is 55 high, is 60 high, is 80 high, is 40 low. i think that gets into a dynamic conversation. because in the u.s. economy it's so diversified that we have winners and losers. so if you are a service company, $40 is terrible. and if you are an employee of a company that has to do layoffs because of the boom-bust problem think about the towns in north dakota that built -- that thought this was forever a

we have the lowest bed numbers in the whole of the oecd. 2.8 beds per thousand population.nt because i don't do politics in that way, but the mystery is why is the government pretending there isn't a problem? jeremy hunt said yesterday, the wrong one or two problems in two or three hospitals. it is not, it is endemic. what is the answer? if i we re endemic. what is the answer? if i were to press a button and do something immediately, iwould were to press a button and do something immediately, i would get something immediately, i would get some funding into social services to get it back on its speed. it has had its budget is cut by 40% you cannot cope with that level of cuts. what do you do then? all we can do is get urgent funding in. we thought chancellor hammond would put some money in in the october statement. he didn't. the communities secretary has said that they can raise the preset, the local government can reuse it —— raise it. that is the amount they can race. even that is a little because at the moment they are allowed to raise 2% per annum for three years. they

but this massive gap which is getting wider in britain compared to any other country in the oecd is a concern and something that is very popular. a lot of people are interested in this idea because they see that they are working really hard in an organisation or a company, you do, andi organisation or a company, you do, and i think that your ceo earns more than you do... laughter since you work for sky, that must be the case! but the point i'm making is no organisation survives only on the brilliance of the chief executive or the chairman of the board. every organisation requires its entire workforce. you could not runa its entire workforce. you could not run a hospital without doctors and nurses, cleaners and catering. you could not run a school without the whole team or a company without the whole team or a company without the whole team. can't we look instead at reducing that gap to ensure a better standard of living for everybody? it does not remove aspiration or opportunities for growth, but just means that it is a considerably fairer society than we are heading for at the presen

to some extent, argentina still, so this is a world that is challenged, and consistently the imf or oecd the world. for the first time last week, they have slightly increased their forecast for 2017 and beyond, so hopefully we are at the bottom of this. looking attors are fourth quarter underlying sales number and think they look like compared to estimates, what would you say to them? is only 90uarter days, and we have had the full effect of this demonetization in india which has really affected the market there. many people are reporting on that we have a very big business in india, and likewise brazil is going through a tough time, and 90 days, if you look over the full year, we are putting in good results. they year we grow above market, grow profitably, year in and year out, and do that responsibly, our unilever sustainability plan. this year, three point 7% topline, well above the market two point 5%,to profitability up 50 basis points, free cash flow $4.8 billion, shares up 7%, so these are solid results. >> have we passed the worst on the indian front? >> indications are we are, b

there has been an initiative at the level of g-20 and the oecd.uncement that had been made by the president-elect about a drastic reduction of , it is printing of the some of the decisions that have been taken all together into question, so it is too early to judge, but our wish and europe is that we can cooperate and have as much as possible open markets with each other. rishaad: mr. mario draghi, quantitative easing, in your view, it works? >> yes. rishaad: do you think it is time to end it? >> quantitative easing cannot be ended quickly. long thek at how states have done it, five years. in europe, far less, as we started later, so there is no to unwind it, and obviously it is a responsibility of european central banks. it has worked. we see that. growth is back in europe, 1.7% this year, investment is picking up, and that's why there is much more good news than what we normally read. rishaad: is there pressure to do more on the fiscal side? and on top of that, quickly as well? are able totries maneuver to do fiscal stimulus, luxembourg, germany

england and the united kingdom is one of the most centralized nations in the oecd.e tend to talk about england as north korea with elections. in terms of the -- >> well, it is becoming a one-party state. >> in terms of the power that is centralized in wlhitehall, and among few number of people. when tony blair was prime minister, you would go to whitehall, and you would say, my lord, how much power is invested in two or three or four people. in the united states it's very different. what's beginning to happen, however, is the rise of localism, and the rise of national government beginning to do city deals, and devolution agreements. in fact, some of your colleagues in the labor party are running to be the mayor of greater manchester and other cities. what is happening there? is there this recognition that problem-solving has to be both a mix of local-national and how does this apply to the electoral concept? >> i think we're seeing this very interesting political shift. which has always been the case in the united states and on the european continent of national pol

if you think about where we are from the competitive position against other oecd countries, you'll find it very clear. in 2015 we were 36 in math. we were 18th in science. 14th in reading. we are spending somewhere near $700 billion on education, and our performance is subpar. and for those kids trapped in underperforming schools, this is a sentence for the rest of their lives. we should be just as focused on those underperforming schools, those kids that are trapped, as we are the overall education apparatus. am i running out of time, mr. chairman? >> thank you send it to. i think so. student i will wrap up then spin the clock wasn't working. >> i wondered why my five minutes never moved. i thought it was divine intervention. with only four minutes left -- >> no, no, no. we don't have time. if you will wrap up will go to a democratic member. >> let me just say this, the national report card on public education, in math, 40%. in the fourth grade where they need to be. in reading, 36% of where they need to be. for kids of color in math, 20% of where they need to be. in reading, 30%. what

utilization, which is an average length of stay in a hospital, we're actually one to two days below the oecd average for an average length of stay in a hospital. we're much better actually than our typical european or canadian or australian peers in getting people out of the hospital. so we're already doing a lot of good stuff. the problem is the average day in the hospital in the united states costs five times as much as the average day in a hospital somewhere else. and that's not because we're doing five times as much stuff. it's because the mri costs six times as much. it's because the drugs cost 50% as much. right? so it's the prices that are driving high costs in the united states. much more than utilization. we should do what we can to make sure we're not doing inappropriate care, of course. but if we don't tackle prices we're not going to lower costs. so i think that the experiment that calpers did on reference pricing with orthopedics and in other areas as yvette talked about i think is incredibly important because it showed that you have a lot of providers saying we have to charge $

healthcare utilization which an average length of stay in hospital, we are one to 90 days below the oecdaverage for an average length of stay in hospital. we are much better that are typical european or canadian or australian peers in getting people out of the hospital. we are already doing a lot of good stuff. the problem is the average stay costs five times as much as a average stay in hospital somewhere else. that's not because we're doing five times as much stuff is because the mri cost six times as much because because the drugs cost 50% as much. it's the prices that are driving high cost in the united states much more than utilization. we should do a weekend to make sure we're not doing appropriate care of course but if we don't tackle prices we are not going to lower cost. i think the experiment on reference pricing with orthopedics and in other areas is i think incredibly important. it showed you had a lot of providers that we have deterred $40,000 for a dollars for a new replacement because that's the underlying cost. you can't -- we will go broke in, closed. with calpers said s

i would like to open up some investigations on the oecd ocii, san francisco commission housing authority. i would like to invite whenever trump put downs the new director of hud to find out what they are doing. so i got 8 seconds here. my primary objective this year is dealing with the african american community, specifically. moved as amended and seconded by commissioner -- >> i'm sure ms. pelham will let us know in her report. you give us a report every month and have space in there for that. >> i will call the question, all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? it's carried unanimously. turning to agenda item 8. it's a presentation and discussion on new ethics commission website and plans outreach activities. do you want to go ahead? >> steve massey, electronic disclosure and data analysis manager and for those on the commission in 2015, you may recall that i gave a presentation about a new vision for the commission's website, and i'm pleased to announce we launched the new website last year and i'm hoping that we can get the presentation up on the television. perhaps we could call -- there w

hope to cope with some of that with apprenticeship programs that we as a country are the worst in the oecd having apprenticeship programs who are the worst on having vocational training. we have to have an overall approach to solving the problem of making sure people are qualified to do the technological innovation. >> i would definitely be asked about existing minority owned businesses. i am out of time. >> the entity i have been told has been a pretty good job. i hear reports that people are pretty satisfied with what it has been doing but there's always more you can do to be more aggressive in helping so i will work with staff to try to most sensibly expand those activities. >> thank you. mister ross, i would defer to you on this in terms of when and if you would like a break. we have a number of members to get to in the first round and a couple who would like to ask questions in the second round so i assume you would want to take a break but whenever that point occurs. >> i could go another 10 minutes. >> in order right now senator booker and senator fisher. >> it for 2 senator fisher

i would like to open up some investigations on the oecd ocii, san francisco commission housing authority. i would like to invite whenever trump put downs the new director of hud to find out what they are doing. so i got 8 seconds here. my primary objective this year is dealing with the african american community, specifically. moved as amended and seconded by commissioner -- >> i'm sure ms. pelham will let us know in her report. you give us a report every month and have space in there for that. >> i will call the question, all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? it's carried unanimously. turning to agenda item 8. it's a presentation and discussion on new ethics commission website and plans outreach activities. do you want to go ahead? >> steve massey, electronic disclosure and data analysis manager and for those on the commission in 2015, you may recall that i gave a presentation about a new vision for the commission's website, and i'm pleased to announce we launched the new website last year and i'm hoping that we can get the presentation up on the television. perhaps we could call -- there w

the united kingdom is bound by the oecd rules which they negotiated as participants.date now on corporate tax is significant and quite tight. and the deal is not only on rates but other tax breaks. it's not possible under other international agreements. tom: to be a singapore? michael: it's not possible. francine: i want to ask you about this, they were compared to monaco. they may clear vision about a fairer society and inequality to something like a tax haven like singapore. it could happen but would be a difficult sell to the people. michael: there's the problem of all the finance ministers if you don't collect from one tax, you have to collect from another tax. it cuts your tax down so the yield is low, you end up having to raise -- tom: that's a davos exclusive, our taxes are going up. francine: we spoke to a lot of c.e.o.'s from the financial community and i was told one is trying to figure out where to move people if he gets a clean brexit. we talked about dublin and said isn't that the natural place because they speak english and was unassured and kept saying

according to the oecd, americans today, where we have the most advanced technological breakthroughs imaginable-- americans today do more hours of paid labor than any other working class in any country on the planet. where was all the leisure supposed to come from? all the work that was saved? less work for mom from all those appliances in the store-- that you could b buy. meanwhile, mom has to go out and work because the family can't survrvive unless she does. shshe's not doing less work. she now has two jobs--the one in the house and the one in the labor force. it's absurd. and, by the way, that's not the fault of the technology, which really was liberating, but it's the fault of a system that has to keep making money whether the techchnology's advanced or not and driveses people, because that's how it makes money.y. last thing about this system before i talk about a solution-- not only does it produce crises and the terrible waste and damage, not onlyly does itit polarize unless people react, and not only does it deny us the fruits of tecchnical change, the fruits of all kinds of breakthroug

i would like to open up some investigations on the oecd ocii, san francisco commission housing authority. i would like to invite whenever trump put downs the new director of hud to find out what they are doing. so i got 8 seconds here. my primary objective this year is dealing with the african american community, specifically. moved as amended and seconded by commissioner -- >> i'm sure ms. pelham will let us know in her report. you give us a report every month and have space in there for that. >> i will call the question, all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? it's carried unanimously. turning to agenda item 8. it's a presentation and discussion on new ethics commission website and plans outreach activities. do you want to go ahead? >> steve massey, electronic disclosure and data analysis manager and for those on the commission in 2015, you may recall that i gave a presentation about a new vision for the commission's website, and i'm pleased to announce we launched the new website last year and i'm hoping that we can get the presentation up on the television. perhaps we could call -- there w

we as a country are the worst in the oecd on having apprenticeship programs.he problem and making sure that people are qualified to do the innovation. i will definitely be asking about the existing minority owned businesses. i'm out of time. the entity within commerce i had been told has done a pretty good job. i hear reports the people are pretty satisfied with what it's been doing. there's always more that you could do to be more aggressive in helping so i will work with the staff to try to figure out how we can most sensibly expand those activities. >> i would defer to you. we have a number of members to get to in the first round. i seem at some point you would want to take a break. whenever that point occurs. we have an order right now senator booker and senator fisher. i defer to senator fisher on anything. i can go second. it's very good to see you. thank you for taking time to come and sit with me. i know it is an expected gesture. i appreciate the conversation. that is the issue of infrastructure. she told me that one package in the totality of the pic