of thousand of people to the summit gates. iraq veterans against the war held a ceremony where more than 40 veterans hurled their war medals toward the gates of the nato summit. >> no nato, no war. we do not work for you know more. we do not kill for you know more. >> at this time, veterans of the boards will walk up on stage. they will tell us why they chose to return their medals to nato. i urge you to honor them by listening to their stories. nowhere else will you hear so many that thought these wars, from the journey of fighting the war is too demanding peace. some of those killed in a sense. some of us continue these wars from home. some of us watched our friends die. some of us are not here because we took our own lives. we did not get the care promised to us by our government. all of us watched failed policies turn into bloodshed. listen to us, hear us, and think, was any of this worth it? >> no. >> do these medals thank us for a job well done? to the mast lies, corruption, and the abuse of young men and women who swore to d

to stop the full scale invasion of iraq that had catastrophic consequences. the weapons inspection process was little more than a game they can see all denied to see the return of inspectors would provide no assurance whatsoever to eliminate by inspection is quite frankly a fool's errand on the contrary there is a great danger that it would provide false comfort that saddam was somehow back in his box reality is that between the original unscom inspections and the unmovic inspections you destroyed with those inspections ninety two probably ninety five percent of the iraqi arsenal the first gulf war destroyed almost nothing and you know post-war u.s. battle damage assessments confirm the weapons inspectors were effective they for saddam to get rid of this stuff. they had that country under control by nine hundred ninety eight at the latest those inspectors had discovered most of the weapons of mass destruction and the iraqi programs at that point were essentially at an end before the war in iraq the united nations inspectors told us. that saddam hussein. did no

rerun of iraq it's a rerun of iraq post original goal for we did establish you know no fly zones humanitarian corridors a kind of thing that are nowhere near as benign as they celebrate the involvement of the military campaigns and you're going on board with mark you want to jump in there. no i think i think that's it and we rock is a terrible example the only thing i would say is who knows the creative destruction us in washington may come up with an even newer more disastrous unique form of chaos worse even than if the syrians or iraqis were left to himself a summary want to jump in i mean that makes the question about the type of intervention almost moved the idea that the us is involving itself militarily has a number of unintended consequences the most important of which is that it basically establishes as legitimate the armed struggle against the syrian regime which is frankly a struggle that they're losing their alternatives to struggle against the syrian regime there are other ways to bring it down and the more we focus on the idea that you know the free syrian army has the capability

to start the full scale invasion of iraq that had consequences. say now has weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction that to the united states it is doesn't propose to pay to sponsor and shelter terrorists saying suicide bombers weapons are he from the trial logical weapons according anthrax and botulism toxin a logical and chemical agent to kill millions of people come up with weapons including v.x. and sarin mustard gas and massive and sudden heart massive death and destruction on a massive scale the danger to our country is grave the danger to our country is growing there actually regime possesses biological and chemical weapons there actually regime is building the facilities necessary to make more biological and chemical weapons. and according to the british government that iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as forty five minutes after the order were given. the regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist organizations and there are al qaeda terrorists inside iraq regime is seeking

did not have nuclear weapons capability ironically the major effect of the invasion of iraq in terms of weapons of mass destruction is to be has been to show that the inspectors were right all along the inspection regime worked. it was the most intrusive inspection regime in history and it worked and at the end the day that's another reason why we went to war for not. these maniacs we are reaching our enemies and weakening our troops resolve and confusing the american people well you should listen to these protests because they're obviously hoping saddam hussein who would have guessed that you could build a massive international peace movement in the protection of sadam hussein the media is culpable for the misleading of the american public they bought into the bush administration's rhetoric they don't understand that there is moral violence and immoral violence we use moral violence god bless this president he is truly a great man reducing troop morale confusing the american people involving our enemies they are absolutely committing sedition treason as far as i'm concerned there's a

it is a rerun of iraq go ahead it's a rerun of iraq it's a rerun of iraq post original goal for you know no fly zones humanitarian corridors that kind of thing that or nowhere near as benign as they say mark you want to jump in there. though i think i think that's it and we rock is a terrible example the only thing i would say is who knows the creative destruction is in washington may come up with an even newer more disastrous unique form of chaos worse even than if the syrians were iraqis will have to assume. it's good to have you with us here on our t.v. today we'll get to the world update in a few minutes but for now it's a scandal is likely to fuel the long standing tensions between washington and pyongyang a media report accuses us south korean special forces of parachuting into north korea to spy on underground military facilities the source was an american army general who admitted the missions had happened it's been vehemently denied by washington which now accuses the journalist behind the report of making up the quotes however he insists what he published was exactly what he he

all of iraq even though rerun of libya ok anyway it is a rerun of iraq go ahead it's a rerun of iraq it's a rerun of iraq post original goal for reducing you know no fly zones humanitarian corridors that kind of thing that or nowhere near as benign as they say mark you want to jump in there. no i think i think that's it and we rock is a terrible example the only thing i would say is who the creative destruction is in washington may come up with an even newer more disastrous unique form of payoff from the proof the financial records will have to tell. us and south korean special forces have reportedly been parachuting into north korea to spy on a network of secret underground military installations and speaking at a conference in miami last commanding officer confirmed sending in special work on a science team's pentagon believes the sites contain as many as twenty air bases a vast artillery supplies ready and an invasion eric zero seven zero can i should say from the campaign to end the korean war believes the actions of this nature will devastate any peace attempts on the peninsula.

a lot of people who supported the war in iraq actually believed that iraq had the capability to fire issiles that could reach the united states carrying payloads of nuclear or chemical or biological weapons. iraq has never had the capability to do that they didn't have it in the first gulf war they didn't have it in this. war in iraq and they don't have it any way of getting it in the future what the bush administration did was try to round up as many people as they could who would make the case for what the white house wanted was the cia to give it talking points to justify this war it already made up its mind massive intervention by people particularly from vice president cheney's office and vice president cheney himself in the process and i think the intelligence analysts found themselves really up against it when they tried to argue that those connections were as tight as it was people were suggesting intelligence director of the department of energy simply ordered his experts who had raised questions about the evidence being used on the nuclear and of it to as the news accounts s

not even a rerun of libya ok some anyway it is a rerun of iraq go ahead sam i'd say it's a rerun of iraq it's a rerun of iraq post original goal for we do you know no fly zones humanitarian corridors so i kind of thing that are nowhere near as benign as they sound mark you want to jump in there. no i think i think that's it and we rock is a terrible example the only thing i want to say is who knows the creative destruction and washington may come up with an even newer and more disastrous unique form of payoff from the if the syrians or iraq will have to also on. the debt crisis is still gripping europe but that's not stopping the e.u. splashing out tens of millions of euros to build a museum about european history in brussels building hasn't even started in any peace or already had olds over its cost and purpose martin and some of the member of the e.u. budget committee who voted against the project says the museum is the last thing the e.u. should be focused on right now. it is very important that this point in time that we focus on you know the economic and financial crisis one tha

not even though rerun of libya ok some anyway it is a rerun of iraq go ahead it's a rerun of iraq it's a rerun of iraq post original goal for reducing you know no fly zones humanitarian corridors that kind of thing that or nowhere near as benign as they say mark you want to jump in there. no i think i think. we rock is a terrible example doozie i would say is who is the creative destruction us in washington may come up with an even newer more disastrous unique form of chaos. the syrians or iraqis will have to assume. the u.s. and south korean special forces have reportedly been parachuting into north korea to spy on a network of secret underground military installations that's according to a high ranking american military commander in charge of special operations in the region well the pentagon says pyongyang is hiding as many as twenty air bases and vast artillery supplies ready for an iron fist response in the event of foreign invasion experts say that if the claims of spy landings are true it violates existing agreements and will only ask the late tensions on the peninsula view is s

that there is no risk of a civil war i got what i wanted i got my war back in iraq and if you peoplerelied on my information you stupid. every year by law and custom we meet here to consider the state of the union this year we gather in this chamber deeply aware of decisive days that lie ahead distorted beliefs estimates and guesstimates and he appears that he was misleading the public and the congress that saddam hussein had the materials to produce as much as five hundred tons of sand and mustard and v.x. nerve agent sarin that they were making in one thousand nine hundred nine hundred ninety one had a known shelf life of about two months i have confirmed this with inspectors and analysts who were deeply involved in the one nine hundred ninety s. and now it's well if you made it twelve years ago and it had a shelf life of two months it may not be safe to drink but it isn't sarah nerve gas any longer and there's no way the agency could not have known that u.s. intelligence indicates that saddam hussein had upwards of thirty thousand munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. s

the next year 2005, the core of pakistan was intimately involved in command again, iraq loomed large over mohammed and the british pakistan is that were involved in that attack. >> host: so each one of those attacks were people who were available to carry them out, were inspired by the iraq war. >> guest: absolutely inspired. >> host: which was in part cannot, at least we were told at that time, to stop the spread of terrorism. of course that was discredited, you know, they were only a tenuous connections between al qaeda and the regime of saddam hussein. and the weapons of mass destruction turns out to have been possibly the campaign by some usian, and the operations campaign to make countries think he had weapons. >> guest: what becomes clear, and i documented some of the chapters is al qaeda and iraq really doesn't form and become an officials affiliate. that is they swear by loyalty to osama bin laden until late 2004. so over a year after the regime is overthrown, by that point, al qaeda gets what it haven't really had for several years and that is a sanctuary. some provinces like

we have a series of bombings to go on and on in iraq led by leadership, as you explain, is part of thereason that the second wave started ebbing. explain how that worked, and i know that also goes into the whole anwar awakening phenomena, and i have to say, nowhere in the book do you seem to say counter insurgency was the reason for the turn around, so -- awakening and counter insurgency. >> okay. it's interesting because the declassified documents between the core leadership in pakistan show a very tense relationship through 2005 and 2006 and as they continue to use brutal tactics like beheadings and killing large number of civilians through car bombs and explosive devices, in pakistan, we see letters from the number two, zahiri, number two at the time, and also another who was serving as a deputy general manager of al-qaeda, sent letters saying you have got to stop killing so many civilians, especially muslims, including shia. that's underminding your support. back off on targeting civilians in other countries because he was involved in attacks in jordan, and they both said you're go

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of the u.s. led war in iraq the battle for the. i continue my inquest in champagne illinois two hundred kilometers from chicago and home to doug rog. for dog rock the presence of uranium in flute comes as no surprise this former high ranking officer served more than thirty five years in the u.s. army in particular during the first gulf war at that time he had a research program into the consequences of a new uranium based weapon after testing on behalf of the pentagon he became its first victim he now suffers from several cancers and renal problems. what i'm doing is blowing up the shootin and burning up but what you see is the direct impact on the iranian missions iranian impact but the uranium the brace of burned and burns and burned and burned and burned for a long time you see how long it lasts he claims that you're a nym has been used in american munitions since one thousand nine hundred one in missiles shells and armor plating for military vehicles. and when i shut up wood to four by force man it worked great this stuff is goo

bombing of iraq in one nine hundred ninety one the united states wound up with military bases in saudi arabia kuwait bahrain kate our oman and the united arab emirates following its bombing of yugoslavia nine hundred eighty nine the us who wound up with military bases in kosovo or bay nia garia macedonia hungary bosnia and croatia following us vollmer to afghanistan in two thousand and one into the us wound up with military bases in afghanistan pakistan kazakhstan it was back to stan stan coerr to stand georgia yemen and following us barmy get invasion of iraq in two thousand and three the united states wound up with iraq. staying behind. i believe is actually at the is the ultimate purpose of many of these wars we used to think of military bases being built in order to wage the worst and i think increasingly we see the wars themselves as convenient opportunities to station the bases and to have a more. the presence in countries such as iraq such as afghanistan such as kosovo. so have some of. what we have in here is video games. and. some of. the. solicitor. moves to want to test firs

counterparts about this appalling legacy of the iraq war. in two thousand and ten the british ministry of defense finally admitted the use of depleted uranium in iraq and supplied the united nations with information on the zones targeted the u.s. allies beginning to voice its doubts on this weapon. only belgium ireland kosta rica and new zealand have formally banned uranium in their arms but today no international convention even mentions depleted uranium and its texts. this allows the u.s. administration to continue using it without fear of reprisals. at the illinois law faculty francis boyle claims that the usa can be hauled before a tribunal this lawyer and harvard graduate has an international reputation agent orange in vietnam gulf war syndrome or trials or specialty today francis boyle is locked in a new battle to have the use of depleted uranium recognized as a war crime uranium munitions violate the hague regulations of nineteen zero seven and then you also violates the geneva protocol of one nine hundred twenty five. so if they are c

in the sense that they were captured during wartime and never given back following the us bombing of iraq in one thousand nine hundred one the united states wound up with military bases in saudi arabia kuwait bahrain our oman and the united arab emirates following its bombing of yugoslavia and then nine hundred eighty nine the us wound up with military bases in kosovo or bay area garia macedonia hungary bosnia and croatia following us valma go up jonathan in two thousand and one into the us wound up with military bases in afghanistan pakistan kazakhstan uzbekistan tajikistan kurdistan georgia yemen and djibouti following its bombing get into version of iraq in two thousand and three the united states wound up with iraq. staying behind. i believe is actually at the is the ultimate purpose of many of these wars we used to think of military bases being built in order to wage the worse and i think increasingly we see the wars themselves as convenient opportunities to station the bases and to have a more. permanent presence in countries such as he rocks such as afghanistan such as kosovo. so h

the islamic state of iraq -- is this the sort of -- is this what you expect governments to be introducing to be fabricating? so direct my answer about the fabrication. personally, i did not -- i don't want to claim to be smart, but on the basis of what i read, it doesn't -- fabrication and forgery does not strike me as a possibility. so comparing to u.s. leaders, these are completely different worlds. one -- you know, u.s. leader or other leaders are working -- they're working within the governance, within the par dime of the nation states. the the leaders of the jihadists there work withing on their own as ngo's. here's where, i think on one level you can say that jihad leaders have sacrificed more than other leaders. and that's why they have more credit in the minds of the general public. they have more credentials, here they are, they're not benefiting from anything. but there's something to be said that you could easily -- you could be a strong critic when you don't have the responsibility to govern. and that's why the jihadists, not just al qaeda are highly, in my own mind, they are

an anonymous author describes the leader of iraq to be extremists and their speeches to be repulsive and lacking wisdom. somewhat revealing is bin laden's concern is what many consider is bin laden's success story. he was anxious that they were attempting to complete more ambitious actions than capable of sustaining. it appears its leader had sent a letter either to bin laden or to al qaeda in which he wrote if you ever want some

the head of city council and a few of the counselors still want to do it. iraqnd afghanistan support the idea. the pentagon don't get the last word on this so it is still sort of an open question. >> we have a question in the second balcony. >> i read and enjoy your book but one of the premises of your book is the demise of the citizen soldier after vietnam and to discuss several reasons but one and you don't discuss is the fact that a significant portion of those civilian soldiers in vietnam revolted. mutiny against their army, killed their soldiers. killed their officers on the history assisted and this scared the shit out of the army and ever since that incident the eliminated the soldiers, they turned themselves into a professional army so they never have to again. could you comment on that and why it was never mentioned in your book? >> i think it is implicit when you talk to the military right now about this left and right combination that we ought to bring back the draft. a lot of people have said to me about the book since it's come out but whenever peop

san diego and standing under a banner that read mission accomplished he declared that in the battle of iraq, the united states and our allies have prevailed. >> that was three months into a eight and a half year war. he was celebrated that we successfully invaded iraq. we started a simultaneously land war alongside the one he was still muddling through in afghanistan while he didn't pay much attention to bin laden.