2015, 140,000 by 2025, there's a new report that shows more doctors plan to retire early because of obamacareso it's only going to get worse. i mean, doesn't that mean poor access, poor quality of care for everybody down the road? >> you've said it, gregg. and also, you're going to have health care facilities close and when you do that, that means that people will lose their jobs. so, again, obamacare, the theory, noble in purpose, this is a prime example where you have macavelian politicians and put policy and legacy before the preservation of our nation and we're feeling the effect now, but we haven't felt the devastation yet. >> and the cbo, i checked, says we're still going to have 20 million americans uninsured so so much for the idea of universal health care coverage. got to leave it at that, come back and we'll talk about it more. >> thank you. >> jamie: some new details on a murder investigation of that colorado prison chief. coming up, there's a new clue in that case and police say it may point to his killer. >> and new and potentially dangerous storm is now on the horizon. we're goi

of death. and yet, obamacare is moving more and more of the economically disadvantaged on to medicaid, which subjects them to those worse health care outcomes. number two, obamacare hurts seniors. obamacare took $716 billion from medicare, a large portion of which came from the medicare advantage program which serves a great many seniors, and especially poor seniors. according to the office of the actuary at the center for medicaid and medicaid services, the medicare advantage cuts in obamacare will reduce enrollment from 14.8 million to 7.4 million by 2017. it will cut it in half. seven million people will lose their coverage under medicare advantage. i would remind you the president said if you like your health insurance, you can keep it. yet seven million seniors are losing medicare advantage. the heritage foundation found that the substantial cuts to medicare advantage in particular hurt seniors in the states of texas, california, new mexico, louisiana, alaska, new york, massachusetts, and also in the district of columbia. those states are expected to lose more than 50% of their enrollees by 2017

and and you're sort of only selling yourself this may lead to baucus even this is the one part of obamacare that really screws the health insurance companies or this isn't the purpose as there will be now must pay there were a number of ideas that were bipartisan ideas that several of us here probably might not have liked that were bipartisan west gracious rejected so they can claim down our throats the obamacare you should have exactly as they read it and now the republicans are now the republicans are saying oh it's expiring we don't like more of tonight's big picture well. let me let me i want to know what let me ask you a question. here on this board is we're having a debate we have or in. this space thing there's again we're in a situation where we talk about the name and we. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thi

want to think like oh oh we're for preexisting conditions because of the most popular item out of obamacare if the item that most of the american public is in favor of and that will benefit the most number of cyclists said just because hitler like milk doesn't mean we are going to get our this is really about republicans figuring out finally that public opinion is in favor of people actually getting health care well i think in general i've i think everybody wants everybody have health care it's how you go about it those that amount of government involvement in i grieve the cole i think they found the one part that people seem to like to meet and they're not risking anything and they've gone after it i mean any logical opposition to obamacare or for this type of health care program so i don't think they do it really just if you're against it i think you should be against i don't really think you should piecemeal stick with your guns on this i mean maybe this is an improvement to something and and you're sort of only selling yourself this is i mean the letterbox even this is the one part of o

hours and to save money in fear of the effect of the obamacarelans. i do not think talking to doctors and co-workers there would be anything good coming at of this. i do agree with insuring people with pre-existing conditions and putting limits on health insurance companies the money they give to people. is the think the plan way to fix the problems in health care. i do not think that the president in his second term will change his ways. host: thank you, caller. guest: a connection between jobs and the health-care program. there is a negative effect. if a small business has 49 employees, they do not pay any penalties. if there are 50 or more, they will pay a penalty. that means hiring one more person would trigger a penalty of $40,000. that sounds like rhetoric. no, it is true. that will trigger a penalty of $40,000 for that 50th employee. small businesses hire most americans. microsoft started off with 12 employees. if you put a cap on that -- the productivity of the 50th employee -- you are capping the number of employees a small business woul

>> i don't think, it's sort of a dead end for the attempts to repeal obamacare. ere is enough political momentum to do that. certainly among democrats. i don't see it going anywhere. >> the issue of forcing the folks up for re-election the next time around. >> that is why for the past four years, the republicans have been on the receiving end of the cheap shots on the budget. because only the republicans had produced a budget. now because of i think pretty smart maneuvering on the part of the g.o.p. in the house. the senate produced one. that is beginning to make the senators flicker in the red state that romney countered, highly embarrassing and will hurt them. which is why reid refused to propose one over four years. now i think we are going to have a firing range but the shots will be going in two directions. i think is kind of nice. >> shannon: okay. charles likes it. all right. stick around, panel. up next, friday lightning round. [ male announcer ] how do you measure happiness? by the armful? by the barrelful? e carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's

almost 2 trillion of that is obamacare.bamacare necessary to get to that number, but still of very healthy number . and we all know the house republicans cannot do that by themselves, so let's take a look at the senate democratic budget which does not even achieved half of that deficit reduction. only 185 trillion in deficit reduction. it is not even -- the president likes to use the expression balanced. taxes, spending cuts, the senate democrats have a little qualifier. $1 trillion in new taxes. so i can feel some excitement starting to wane here, but it's probably not going to help. the senate democratic budget does not balance the matter what. in terms of deficits, a never does get there. zero. absolutely zero deficit reduction perpetual internet deficits. let's see what else they offer because there is until now reform. the ryan budget starting in 2021, anyone born in 1959 or later is offered a choice between traditional medicare and a private plan. that is 2024. the senate democratic budget preserves medicare and medic

of some 70 senators. instead, they face the cost and the burdens from obamacare. i want to just read to this body a couple of recent press stories illustrating this is not a republican talking point or a democrat talking point point. these are the facts. this is what is happening under obamacare. the associated press on march 13, 2013, so just earlier this month. reported -- this is the opening line of the story -- quote -- "some americans could see their insurance bills double next year as the health care overhaul's laws expands coverage to millions of people. it goes on to say the biggest price hikes are expected to hit a group that represents a relatively small slice of the insured population, that includes some roughly 14 million people who buy their own insurance as opposed to being covered under employer-sponsored plans and to a lesser extent, some employees of smaller companies. yet again, the impact of obamacare hitting small businesses, hitting the struggling entrepreneurs. and i would note, mr. president, two-thirds of all new jobs in our economy come fro

you solemnly vowed to rid us of obamacare, which you can do simply by refusing to fund it. why haven't you done so? , when it is at it the creed that we should be forced to pay for the murder of babies why won't you decree that americans should no longer pay a fourhhs? -- pay for hhs? what of all the other oppressive and evil organizations are immorally funded by our tax dollars. other agencies you solemnly pledged to put out of our misery? you have done nothing over the last two years but as excuses and more commitment that tomorrow you are going to honor those promises. gentlemen, we're promises are concerned you are not what you promised to be. do you want to store -- the one to restore your reputations as conservative leaders? all you need to do is on your promises. they were good ones. watch what happens. you will be heroes. jeb bush, about the proposed tax increases of yours. apparently you did not get the memo that when republicans agreed to cut -- when republicans agree to raise taxes if democrats agree to cut on hisg, one side promise and the other always breaks it.

in other words, your repeal of obamacare. would you have the power in the house right now with your majority to stop funding obamacare and would the house do that? >> no, because here is the problem: almost all of obamacare spending is in entitlement spending. we call that mandatory spending up here, continuing resolutions don't deal with that. they deal with agency budgets. almost awful the exchange spending, medicare, medicaid, that's outside of the continuing resolution. that's outside of what we call discretionary spending. all of that in our budget is outside of the purview of the appropriation bills. >> sean: what about when we hit the debt ceiling? because at that point the congress has the power of the purse. would you have the power at that point? >> so that's why we have a budget process, right? so our budget process, that our budget proposes to repeal that, patty murray i'm glad she's doing a budget and proposes a budget that raises taxes and never pass as budget, but the first time four years in the senate, that gi

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the key -- one of the key parts of obamacare is the expansion of medicaid.can governors rick scott from florida jan brewer from arizona, john kasich from ohio conservative republican governors have signed on to this expansion of medicaid. it makes sense for their states because the federal government, not only are more people covered but the federal government pays 100% of the cost for the first three years. >> obamacare, however you want to look at it, the reform of the healthcare is the law of the land. it saw its day in court. the supreme court ruled it constitutional. you mentioned all of the governors. it is over. it is done with. deal with it. >> bill: the fact that paul ryan still makes it the centerpiece of his budget shows how totally out of touch and how unrealistic the house republicans are and why you cannot follow them on anything because their budget is a huge, big, fat lie. the one that paul ryan will unveil today. it is a lie because he the repeal of obamacare is never gonna happen. think about, it right. for obamacare to be overturned would

the republican budget pretends to balance in ten years and claims to get rid of all of the obamacare, as the hair take foundation pointed out the republican budget gets rid of the obama care benefits but keep in it the obamacare taxes and the obamacare medien in fact, tt does not balance in ten year unless you include those obamacare taxes and savings. so you can't have it both ways. >> neil: it's a moot point because it's going nowhere. the idea of -- i think the train left the station. >> i think that that's right but you can't claim to be in balance and claim to be getting rid of obamacare at the same time. that's my point. >> neil: always a pleasure. gm is touting the new stingray after a very happy meeting with lawmakers in washington. charles paine wondering, why washington? [ male announcer ] just when you thought you had experienced performance a new ride comes along and changes everythi. the powerful gs. get great values on your favorite lexus models during the mmand performance sales event. this is the pursuit of perfection. .. for over 75 years people have saved money with.

did you tell him at lunch you were going to call for repeal of obamacare? are going to come up with. i gave him more or less the budget we were coming up up with. and let me ask a person watching the show who is in business. do you start with your last offer first in a negotiation? no, of course not. what we are doing with this budget is articulating what we believe is the best policy forward to grow the economy. balancing the budget is not an end in and of itself. it's a means to an end and the means we're trying to get to is a pro-growth economy, helping people out. is reviving upper mobility and growth and opportunity in this country and this economy. >> coming back to the white house issue, okay, so they -- they issued a kind of broadside against you today. this may you will be -- >> used to that. >> this is a ritual, all pro forma. they said you have tax cuts for the rich, they say you're taking down medicare, they accuse you of using vouchers. but they end, they did say the president would be willing to work with republicans. we have had this charm of

up next in the third anniversary of obamacare is here. n't a particularly happy anniversary for a lot of americans. certainly not the anniversary we are told we would have by our commander-in-chief. that is in the "chalk talk" tonight. the man at the center of the chinese exeunt -- espionage plot appears in court today and says he is not guilty. we take the case. we take the case. we're coming right bac all stations come over to mission a for a fil go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leing companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. lou: this saturday it geets pretty exciting. it marks the third anniversary of obamacare being signed into law. how about that? well, unfortunately, t is not a happy anniversary for most americans. a new fox news poll shows that 55% -- 55% wold like it to be repealed. i mean, that is extraordinary, i think

movement more broadly exactly how much to continue talking about obamacare for the reasons that you suggest, gregg. i mean, you know, it's the law of the land, the republicans ran on repeal in 2012 and didn't win. on the other hand, my own view is, republicans and conservatives should be talking about obamacare as much as they can. we are on the front end of what is going to be an implementation nightmare of an already unpopular law and the more republicans talk about the damage that this law is going to do, the more they're going to be able to point back and say, we had another option and i think, you know, as part of the speech, it would be great if dr. carson laid out some other possibilities for health care reform that we're different, alternatives to obamacare. >> gregg: some of the topics at the convention have been very controversial, including contraception, gay marriage, immigration. and said by the party that they're too conservative on the issues for populace consumption in electoral contests and maybe the last presidential election was proof of that. are conservatives hurting the republican party in elections? >> no, co

you will see young people not wanting to go into the field of health care obamacare. so we believe that in the interest of healthcare for seniors on in the interest of health care for families, in the interest of making medicare work better for low income people, we need to repeal and replace obamacare with a better system, a patient -- centered system. we will never balance the budget if you keep obamacare going because it is a fiscal train wreck. >> one thing that you campaigned on quite a lot during her vice presidential run, you declared $716 billion that were part of the medicare cuts as part of the president's healthcare law. totaled out by president obama, all to pay for an entitlement we did not ask for. shouldn't that count at $716 billion in your budget? and you count the savings from the fiscal cliff deal as deficit reduction. so the $716 billion, it brings you closer to a balanced budget , doesn't that go against everything your conference stands for? >> we believe on the revenue side that we can still have a progrowth tax code that broadens the base at the

and communicate the impact of obamacare, we talk about that, we find ourselves having a conversation he american people that they truly do not like obamacare prevent why they're on our side, because we in america are conservatives, without any question. we are conservative nation going in the right direction. i think about taxes. how many feel we are taxed too little in the federal government? spend it took we much in the federal government? [applause] i remember when i first started running for congress a couple years ago. i started talking about taxes and revenue streams and the budget. i started talking about the fact that we were spending $3.40 trillion. what i would say to get people to take a nap in the middle of a speech was not necessarily a good thing, by the way. we want you to stay away. i would go through all the numbers in about 20 seconds. we spend about $700 billion on social security. $692 billion on defense. billions on non-defense discretionary spending. $519 billion coming out of medicare. $400 billion in mandatory spending. $300 billion just to service the debt. th

tonight, the obama administration is finally coming clean about the true cost of obamacare after years of lies they're going on record and admitting that their brilliant plan will actually raise insurance premiums for countless american families. now, just yesterday, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius total reporters, quote, these folks will be moving into a fully insured product for the first time so there may be a higher cost associated with getting into that market. now she tells us? maybe it took her this long to actually read the bill to find out what's in it. what's interesting about the revelation, it directly contradicts what the president has been telling you for years. watch this. >> we will start by reducing premiums by as much as $2500 per family. and we'll do it by taking the following five steps to lower costs throughout our health care system. that's why i met with representatives of insurance and drug companies, doctors and hospitals, and labor unions who are pledging to do their part to reduce health care costs. >> add it all up and the plan i'm prop

you say take advantage of the incentive plans out there. >> real preventive care is not what obamacareays it is. it occurs by getting your blood pressure down before getting sick. getting your weight off before you have an obesity related problem. learning to exercise. all of that, and stopping smoking. all of that can be done also by the employer, who may give you a little extra in for your paycheck, some is written into obamacare. not enough. i like employers getting incentives to employees who do somethings like stopping smoking and exercising. >> neil: a lot of companies don't distinguish. if you don't have that, what too you do? >> well, some companies are starting to distinguish and they should start to distinguish. smoking is number one on the list, and then weight loss. you don't have to rely on your employer for that. i'm telling people to do it on their own. you'll feel better and save on medical costs. >> neil: surely you don't -- >> stop heating -- >> neil: just trying to get you to bend. just a doughnut. let me ask you about this -- doctors are seeing multiple patients at

of rules. here is obamacare and this is just the start. many pages say the secretary shall produce more regulation. >> put together i would say a pile of rules. >> john: what about the tax on medical devices. a puchblg of democrats object to this. >> obamacare makes a steep tax on pacemakers, digital thermometers. it can be a profit business but it's one that saves lives. new tax means they will save fewer lives association now many senate democrats want that part of obamacare killed. don't we want more medical devices? >> when you pass a law that costs something you have to come up with the money for it. >> john: obamacare forces more business owners to pay more for workers' health care. lauren goodrich runs restaurants in maine and new hampshire and hires lots of kits kids and offers health insurance. >> you got 20 subway shops. how many employees? >> i have 180. >> so the point is to get your employees better healthcare. >> i think its noble cause but i can't provide every single employee. in a low margin retail restaurant business, this

of a plan." close quote. madam president, obamacare is going to make doing your taxes feel like a round of golf. for this reason, there are some who believe the only way to expose obamacare and rescue the health care system is to let nature take its course, to let it go into effect as soon as possible. they say the sooner it collapses, the sooner we can repeal it and start over. the gentleman from texas and i and everyone else supporting this amendment rejects that logic. we cannot in good conscience send millions of immigrant americans into a dangerously dysfunctional health care system run by unaccountable if well-intentioned bureaucrats. we will not sacrifice millions of families to prove a political point. people's lives and livelihoods are at stake. the american people are not pawns in washington's partisan political gain. we work for them, not the other way around. as public servants, we have an obligation to protect the american people, those who elected us to serve. obamacare is going to hurt our country, our economy, our const

another side of this is obamacare. ite frankly we heard so much about how we don't want our bosses and personal business. we don't want our bosses and our health care information. when they are one of the many payers, they become very interested in how much we will cost them in terms of health insurance and cost. neil: you raise a good point in that it is perfectly understandable in this environment to watch your costs. once the risks to this up costs. why, why, why. >> we have our health insurance dictated by where we work. what is that? that is because of wage and price controls, world war ii era, and we -- neil: i understand. >> it is what it is, but that is what you get. will double down the existing system and cement that time between employer and employee. neil: or you serve it with a government single payer system. >> ultimately you don't own your own information. this is inevitable croupy result of really bad public policy. neil: the producers after the show. >> you're going to see more and more of this, especia

unless obama signs a repeal of obamacare. >> sean: that's symbolic, that means obamacare will never ben't. i plan on winning the senate back in two years. >> sean: on health care, what you're suggesting is the republicans only do the symbolic vote to repeal, but not really take the stand to do it. >> i think shutting down the government would not-- >> we're not going to shut down the government. that's obama's line. >> no, shut down the government, you're saying it's important it doesn't ruin the credit rating and medicare payments. >> sean: the social security and military keeps functioning and 2.7 trillion dollars to spend. >> at some point in the next three and a half years, before the next president, not four years. >> sean: maybe the president to sign it your way. >> he's not going to sign. the government is going to shut down at some point. it's symbolic and ultimately the republicans lose and they look impotent. >> sean: you risk something, ann, once the new entitlement is entrenched and fully implemented, it's-- >> i'm glad you ut brought that up. that's what i was the most wor

but they want to repeal part of obamacare. a tax on medical devices that would have increased the costs we pay for things like latex gloves to wheelchairs to hip replacement. there is still $1.3 trillion in other taxes that are set to hit over the next decade. house republican speaker john boehner put out a statement on obamacare. he said, quote, far from bending the cost curve, it's projected price tag is nearly doubled. health insurance premiums are expected to climb further when the law takes full effect next year. the millions of jobs democrats promised is nowhere to be found and businesses large and small are already pointing to the impact of obamacare as the reason for planned layoffs and reluctance to hire more staff. republican controlled house passed the budget that repeals and de-funds obamacare but in the senate in this week a measure to repeal obamacare was voted down. >> the beat goes on. thank you very much. >> gregg: not much has changed. >> the senate approving a democratic budget in a late nightmare thon of vo

melissa: tomorrow marks the third anniversary of obamacare of. you've heard us tell you all the ways the white house says your health care costs are going down. i think it is safe to say not everyone is sell greating this milestone. get this. the country's biggest insurance carrier, unitedhealth group, said in the "wall street journal" that people yuls for some of their own clients could skyrocket by more than 100%. look at that 116, or more they said. here to help u crunch the numbers, john lacy, vice president of group benefits with boo sard insurance. i thought this was supposed to bring costs down. seems across the board no matter which irns insurance company you look at aetna, blue cross, costs are going up. how is that possible? >> melissa, the one thing that wasn't exactly clear, health care reform actually changed some of the rules for community rating. when they changed those community rating rus, the carriers no clearly when you do that some premiums are going to rise. there is no doubt some of these premiums, for some individuals and s

this by not controlling their impulses. >> let him finish. >> this is an unintended consequence of obamacare costs have gone up. none of this happened a year ago, two years ago. it's all happening now. university of pennsylvania won't even hire tobacco users. >> it's been skyrocketing for a long time. >> all of these changes have come as a result. >> no, the cleveland clinic was before that. employers have been looking on how to offset the costs of obesity for a while now. >> i'm just throwing out there, the mayo clinic. thank you. miracle whip clinic. you guys finally got it. mcfly. >> we'll leave it there. great debate. i don't know whether they're agreeing or disagreeing. sort of going in and out. >>> if twitter went public, would you buy the stock? the convincing bull case coming up next. >>> and the don draper effect for one tech start-up. it's not what you think. >>> first, what's coming up on "the closing bell"? >> after all that, i'm hungry. i don't know about you. i just want to eat. coming up on "the closing bell," delta airlines' ceo richard anderson is here exclusively to respond

obamacare in the senate. you're in the minority in the senate. how does it happen? >> first of all, obamacare is a disaster, this is not politics anymore, we're talking the impact it's going having on real people's lives. you feel' see people who are going to get laid off because the boss wants to go under the the 50 threshold. and we're looking at work force moving to part-time and hurting people as well. not to mention hidden costs in obamacare that aren't hinch longer. implementing is going to be a disaster, i'm glad that ted cruz, the new senator from texas espoused an amendment to the resolution to defund obamacare. i don't vote for continuing resolution, if we can pass that amendment i would be willing to vote for that continuing resolution, i know it's pie in the sky to some people. this obamacare bill as it's implemented will cost people their jobs, their raises per hour and i'm glad they're taking a lead in that regard. >> sean: they don't have to fund it. this is the beauty of having at least one house which is in republican control and a lot of pressure is brought to

but how do we control the expense of health insurance? and obamacareoes not do that, but it does add $800 billion of burdens on families and breaks the very important link between a patient and a doctor. i talked about how my grandfather at 93 years old, as he grows older, he is a healthy guy drives a ford f-150, i want to make sure that the family makes those decisions. that's ruined in obamacare. it's very important foritous recognize what the legislation does and what it doesn't do. i would tell that you, as we look towards unleashing those opportunities, one of the places that we can unleash opportunities is making sure that we worked on things that expanded the footprint of providing health insurance -- that's not through the federal government. >> greta: are you saying you would like health care available to people, but it's the way that the obamacare, for lack of a better word, is not a good way to do it? is that what you are saying? >> well, i would certainly say that when you look at the impact of obamacare, in south carolina, we will see that

(applause) >> as a doctor, my next guest made it pretty clear he's the not a big fan of obamacare as well as the impact on providers and patients. now with additional cuts to medicare because of the sequestration, he says medical professionals are living on the edge. joining me is dr. marc siegel of the fox news medical a-team. all right, doctor, it's great to have you here and i want to talk about this medicare cut because a lot of people don't understand that one of the plans of somehow balancing the budget is to cut the payments to doctors, hospitals, rehab centers. how does that help improve health care? >> well, i don't think it does, governor. the secret of medicare is that we're already living on the edge with medicare, both doctors and patients are on the edge. why? because we all know, doctors all know when we see a medicare patient with all due respect to our seniors out there. medicare patients tend to have more problems, a longer laundry list, take longer time for me to take care of, need more technology. we always liked medicare because it doesn't restrict us. but for the

among the billions of dollars worth of anticipated cuts, is a full repeal of obamacare. also, on tuesday, the roman catholic church began the process of choosing the next pope when cardinals will officially begin the conclave inside the famous sistene chapel and they will send out the smoke and we'll know who it is. big week. that's how fox reports on sunday, march 10th, 2013. i'm harris falkner, good night. >> john: tonight, we expose myths and lies and stupidity. you're a bully. politicians tell us what food we can eat. what difference is it of yours what i put in my body. >> without a little fat and sugar, what would life be? >> we're told fracking will poison our water. >> wells are ruined and live stock is dying. >> ♪ don't frack my mother ♪ >> fracking is good. >> it's an amazing story. >> john: also, because stupid people do this. >> and these people lose their jobs? >> well, we're less safe because of you awful people. >> we deliver, we deliver. >> john: should government deliver the mail? should it it build speedy trains? we look for the answers at the seat of po

no it won't work we're an entrepreneurial business but tom this is the unintended consequence of obamacare you know i just did my. you know we're we're redoing our health care now and becoming compliant twenty thirteen twenty fourteen i just did that this week the sort of increases that we're going to have this year and next year i mean these companies have to survive somehow though is that how easily is only taking a billion dollars out a lot healthier he's got to make more money he's got one hundred executives who make over a million dollars they get is are obligated to pay this level health care employees need to be a partner in that process you know because it's a financial benefit should they not have to step up and also try to modify i'm not their ally and i'm going to help you do i'm not going to sit here and say that i think that obamacare is the solution to anything in particular particularly the fact that it uses for profit health insurance we're still paying twice what anybody else just seems to be beginning right now and what this is going to lead to let me tell you what c.v.s.

melissa: does it balance in ten years if you don't get rid of obamacare? >> it will takeonger to balance. but the point is, is that we're honest about the spending that needs to be cut and actually the programs that need to be reformed. obamacare goes the other way. yes,ou're right, melissa, it is the law but doest mean you give up on your principles. doesn't mean you give up on the fight to try to correct the danger that this law constitutional or not, poses to the future generations of this country, melissa. that's the point. melissa: part of your plan calls for tax reform. it is a two bracket code. >> yeah. melissa: the lower bound bracket is 10%. the language is a little fuzzier about the top individual rate but something like 25%. how reasonable do you think it is that something like this wouldappen and what would be the end result? >> well, i think it is very reasonable, and i think we have hopefully bipartisan come rod dry around this and ernest around this. you know what? it is revenue neutral. we're not asking to take less money from people or more

> greta: so you're proposing an amendment to the continuing resolution to slowdown the funding of obamacare. explain what you want and why? >> well, i think the top priority of every elected representative in washington should be economic growth. if you look at the past four years, our economy's not growing and the last four years it's grown 0.8% a year and as a result of that stagnant growth we're not able to get 23 million people back to work, our federal balance sheet remains a train wreck. the only way to deficit, to solve the debt and get people back to work, to get opportunity flowing again is to get growth. this last quarter we had growth at 0.1%, so this week on the continuing resolution, i'm introducing an amendment that is entitled restore growth first, and what it would do is delay funding obamacare until we get back to historic levels of growth. with the economy stagnant, if we implement obamacare now, it will kill jobs, it will hammer small businesses. and it could well push us into recession, that doesn't make any sense. >> greta: is there any likelihood you're going to get a

you cannot say we will repeal obamacare, which will cover un inter people, 26 million, and a decade, and not say what you will replace. money from then repeal of allg obamacare -- he is spending money from the repeal of obamacare that it does not acted it does not exist and cannot exist unless they get control of congress. >> spending money that does not exist, that is nothing new. the oldsides applying gang. republicans know that this is nonsense, equally on both sides. the only person who can solve that is the president, who can go out and say that we will stop doing the usual stuff lying about the numbers. the reason we have to do this is because it is so hard and we have to be honest. >> charles mentioned the president's polls but a new abc news poll, and he had an 18- point lead over republicans handling the economy to just a four-point advantage. congress is down there with saddam hussein and gaddafi and popularity, except that the other guys, being dead, don't really care. congress does. the president has to do the charm offensive because he got cocky. he won the election and he crushed republicans on the fiscal cliff, and he tried to d

>> $2 trillion depends on the repeal of obamacare. i agree with you.is.... >> bill: not going to happen. >> i congratulated congressman ryan on the budget. >> bill: why did he put the other stuff in there to wipe out the good stuff? >> i said for some time this is republican party close to be a johnny one note party. they can't talk about anything but repealing obamacare. look they are all smart. >> bill: no, they are not smart. >> leadership of the house, most of them are smart. >> bill: harry reid is not smart. >> i was wrong about that. you have to understand, these two parties are not thinking right now. >> bill: was it a mistake for ryan to put that in there? >> absolutely. we're talking about a dumb idea when his plan while he has put forward a great number and should have the ways to do it. >> bill: the reason it is dumb while the president has the veto pen he is not going to repeal obamacare no matter what they want. it's not going to happen. >> democratic plan would put it into debtor nation status. >> bill: they are in sweden. when we come ri

we say get rid of obamacare, we apply those savings to medicare to make medicare more solvent as a trust fund. >> used them to make obamacare seem budget neutral. deficit hawks say it will leave medicare in even worse shape. >> there's a lot more savings that has to be done and we already use those savings for a new federal health care spending. >> democrats note ryan would keep those cuts to medicare. >> ryan says he will include those savings in his budget savings that he campaigned actively against. >> again, ryan would leave all that money in medicare. on the heels of ryan, they are proposing their own budget for the first time in four years, president obama delayed his budget until april. overall ryan's budget would not cut federal spending, but only reduce the rate of increase. mr. obama's plan calls for $46 trillion more in spending over the next decade. ryan would reduce that. one of his cuts would be 141 billion to the food stamps program. it has grown to an all-time high with 47 million recipients in december. ryan argued his cuts would be only a minor change. >> food stamps wo

of? i don't think so. >> let's correct the record. obamacareot a referendum item in november. if you look at the recent polling only 36% of americans support obamacare as it stands. so the sole idea the president got re-elected and no questions asked about this enormously costly project that is going to add another sbyd that the president has no idea how he is going to pay for. number two, you point out effective pointed. president promised, no middle income tax that will be negatively affected by obamacare out of these, like the tanning are going to hit any american. number two, premiums we were promised premiums were going down. president had $2500 and the irs just this month announced that the average american family of four will see their payments go up by $4,000. that is not responsive from obamacare. >> heather: i have to wrap it up there. all of this coming on the heels of meeting with paul ryan, maybe this means there is some sort of compromise in the works. we'll see what happens. >> he presents his budget on tuesday. >> coming up, mor