i thought ofestion is where border arrests stand. vocalesident has been that they have increased and he is not happy. through march and april. last year they reached the lowest point in decades. a report inut out september are the border is harder to cross illegally than it ever has before by all the metrics they have. i think the border is quite secure. whether some people think it could be taken further is another question. host: (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. host: the ninth circuit court of appeals takes a look at a case involving the daca program and the trump administration. what will happen? guest: this allows young undocumented immigrants to apply for work permits and have some deportation relief. not renew the program. a federal judge in san francisco in january blocked trump's decision to and the program meaning that the administration had to keep accepting renewals through daca. appealed, and now we are at the ninth circuit where therguments, administration hopes

lot ofestion typifies a supreme court argument, which is they are the -- the justices are readg to say, okay, i've your brief, but how far does the logic of your position extend to? they come up with hypotheticals, like, okay, it's 50 16 out of 50 seats, it's out of 50 seats. does your argument still hold? why not? what are the logical limits to your position? that's really what the art of supreme court advocacy is all about. >> and cox was reading that speech. i know that, because at some skipped a line and it threw him off and he had to go back. >> here is a bit of the other five. ronald coleman was a san francisco attorney who argued on behalf of allan bakke. the only case that he argued before the supreme court. let's listen. >> so part of your submission is, even if things are compelling interest, even if alternative, use of the racial classification is unconstitutional? it's believe unconstitutional. we do. >> is that because it's limited rigidly to 16? because it's limited to 16 but because the concept of classificationa becomes, in our history and in unjust andanding, an improp

i thought ofestion is where border arrests stand.alesident has been that they have increased and he is not happy. through march and april. last year they reached the lowest point in decades. a report inut out september are the border is harder to cross illegally than it ever has before by all the metrics they have. i think the border is quite secure. whether some people think it could be taken further is another question. host: (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents, (202) 748-8002. host: the ninth circuit court of appeals takes a look at a case involving the daca program and the trump administration. what will happen? guest: this allows young undocumented immigrants to apply for work permits and have some deportation relief. not renew the program. a federal judge in san francisco in january blocked trump's decision to and the program meaning that the administration had to keep accepting renewals through daca. appealed, and now we are at the ninth circuit where therguments, administration hopes to