. >> now, in terms ofettingbig things through, sometimes you have to grease the skin, so to speak. this is pure pork. there's nothing attached to it that did any good and the idea of a family farm, they got the least out of this, the small farmers. 33% of the benefits go to the top 4% of the farmers. it's the rich getting richer. it's everything that they have accused accused the republicans of. >> it's doing harm, isn't it, because it's affecting the way we do business. it's negatively affecting the private sector. >> yes, it is. and what would be great is if we had true bipartisanship where you had lbj cell grunt work to get true consensus that would help thehe small businesses witht these guys playing big shot with our money. >> with these low interest rates, you may not know it because it makes it chieap for the government to pay off its debt but we still have a debt and this is just adding to it. >> right. and it's going to be the middle class, david, that pays for it, not only in terms of taxes but higher prices for food. and don't forget, while overall inflatn has been trend