officer obot. officers peregoy and trail bravely turned a corner and in pursuit of the suspect and noticed he was still holding onto the uzi assault weapon while facing east on centreville avenue. officer peregoy and trail could hear officer obot from another direction yell, drop the gun. officer trail yelled, drop the gun or i will shoot. the suspect got the gun, was tackled by officers, and was taken into custody without injury to the officers or suspect. as the officers detained the suspect, additional suspects approached the officers but were ordered back. the officers quickly determine this incident started over a dispute with another group, and that an additional shooter was involved and was also quickly detained by members of the attack -- gang task force. as a result of all the shooting at the scene, property damage at the scene had occurred but not one individual was struck. officers trail, peregoy, and obot instantly responded to shots fired and were confronted by an extremely dangerous i

wu, when your department, the district attorney's office discovers an office -- an officer has been untruthful or is abusing power, do you have a policy in place for reporting this? or is there just an understanding, or how does your office deal with this? >> i also think everyone for having me here today. i could not agree more with the panelists to spoke before me. i say this to young lawyers all the time in our office. all we are is our integrity. all we are is our ability to communicate and put forth evidence to juries, and we have to rely on that. we have to rely on integrity. it is difficult when these situations happen. i was really involved with the crime lab cases and the allegations against the criminals. i've been very involved in the allegations regarding some of these search and seizure issues, and i am just now becoming involved with the cases of potential theft. and all these are allegations. what is difficult, i think, for prosecutors in our office -- we find folks to be very reactive to these situations. the response often is if officers are not being truthful, that we need to

, officer of valley stopped -- officer o'malley shot one shot. the suspect fired a round at them through his back window. officers came, stern, and the live, returned fire without hitting the suspect. the officers continued their verbal commands to the suspect to put up his hands and leave the vehicles. the suspect got out of the driver's door, raised his hands, took off his shirt doing a full circle. the suspect then dropped his hands to his waist and took a few steps toward the officers who did not fire at these provoking actions. the suspect then returned to his car and sat on the running board. officers kept up a stream of commands for the suspect to surrender which he ignored. officer pain move down the alley toward the alley, warning people to get out of the street. sgt. paine had arrived at a position parallel to that of the subject -- suspect. the suspect turned in the car and appeared to be getting something. he turned back toward the officers who again held their fire. the suspect turned back toward the inside of the vehicle, appeared t

the office may interview police officers. the subject police officer, as well as witnessed police officers. we also, in some cases, send out written interrogatories to police officers to answer call member response forms. the investigator gathers additional documentary evidence. we have a document protocol with the police department where we make routine and non-routine requests for information and receive that information from the department. the investigator evaluates all of the evidence, including britain and testamentary evidence -- including britain and testamentary evidence. there may be a conclusion. there may be one allegation in the template or several allegations in a complaint. then there is a review process in our office, and that review includes the supervising investigator who has been involved -- senior investigator who has been involved with the journey level investigator all the way through. and the chief investigator is also reviewing the investigation. finally, i reviewed the investigation as well. and we s

i always call them officers. is this information available to all policemen of all ranks which was clear that it was not. i saw that it was not clear whether the suicide rate was related to a police officer in combat or a police officer that had fired his weapon or not fired his weapon. this is an interesting topic. in afghanistan, they were running 30 suicides a month. it is not clear where we are on this. i think this is a great topic to be discussed and it should be available to every police officer in the city and county of san francisco. i am aware that at the -- center, my father was in the u.s. military and intelligence. they had an anonymous hot line that you could call. i will leave it at that. >> any further public comment? hearing none -- >> it looks like at about october 12th or so, we will get a report back. >> thank you for being amenable to this. >> item number6 is all matters pertaining to item 8 below. >> ladies and gentlemen, this is asking for public comment it involving confidential matters. i

as i said earlier, there are officers who are not of the same character as the officers i worked with, and i think the hard working men and women of the police department would just as soon not have them among them. to paint the organization with a broad stroke is not fair. in the legal profession, there are a tremendous amount of incredibly hon. attorneys and judges, but every once in awhile, we see an ugly stories there, too. would it be untoward, as they say? i think they need to be, as i said earlier, dismissed from our ranks. >> for police officers who are alleged to abuse their power -- and know you want to comment on what chief suhr was saying. then i have a question for you. >> first, i have probably been involved in more cases than anyone in this area. >> [unintelligible] >> i have been involved in maybe 1000 cases as a consequence of that, -- i've been involved and maybe 1000 cases. as a consequence of that, i have given a lot of thought to there is no doubt in my mind that the culture exists, not just around the question of do you take money or not? there is a culture and i

we have a person talking about his son, who was an officer. it was very moving for the officers. it was a very moving real-life story. we also do a scenario components so that the officers can talk about problem-solving among their peers. and what somebody in crisis may look like. you know what that looks like in the public. what does it look like when one of your peers is in crisis? how do we get them help so that it is from the ground up? >> my job is to know how to do it right there and then. they can start right when that crisis is in front of them. they can educate them about what is available to them and their family members and their loved ones. >> you like to increase that to the audio-hour block to a three- hour block? >> there are so many issues that we could cover. we are focusing on crisis management or stress management. a little bit of suicide and depression. it is mostly about the resources. it would be easier to focus on some of those bigger issues and give them more information. that would help them to problem solve when they're confronted with it. in regard to t

it is an officer safety issue. we will no longer be able to hear what is going on around the corner from us, let alone this patch hearing what is going on with us. carnival, the gave freedom parade, all the other fairs, it is a very big officer safety issue. the other issue is the training we have coming up. i did sank the lieutenant for spacing be trading up. we have officers that continually worked eight hours, nine hours, 10 hours a night and then we are wired to go to three days straight of training. last year, it was broken up into parts where we could go for four hours, five hours, and then return to work the streets. i asked, why could we not work on this and break it up to make it easier for our officers? i received no response. thank you. >> i will find out what is going on. >> do we have a new lieutenant assigned to the patrol specials? >> the lieutenant is directly responsible. >> next speaker. no further public comment, public comment is closed. >> item 3, reports and announcements. item three is the ch

at the hall of office. my three months we've had additional staffing provided to us so we have ample staff for weekends as well as the availability to call the bureau and/or our command staff to say we'd like to utilize those enforcement officers that have been working the evening hours and weekend. >> is this a typical ratio throughout the city, do you know? roughly one to two in terms of night and day shifts? >> from my understanding, each station has a consistent percentage that they have to maintain, however, bayview, due to the fact that they are most likely more interactive with calls for service would have more staffing and then i think they may have the luxury to move bodies where they need to. >> one last question. thank you. i know that you just came into your position a short while ago. do you know how many officers there were in this station last year and 2010? >> i haven't -- it's approximately about 100ish approximately. >> about the sam

s office. >> the office is a bureaucracy right now. it is a story about when he was fired by the da. the d.a. claims that he wanted to be no. 2. so he fired him. you know, if you want to be no. 2, and i was the leader, i would fire you. if you want to be number one, you are on. give them protection. when you have fear, you can't execute. they work at will. they're firing anybody they want for anybody. they need a civil service protection. the unions understand them. police understand them. we should bring that to justice. and then we will see the justice gets done. >> i think it is important to have an office that people want to come to. it is my commitment to make san francisco one of the best in the country so it is no longer just to the county referred to when we talk about the best offices in the country. we need to have leadership that has been there and done that, leadership that can train the lawyers. in order to lead an army of trial lawyers, you need to walk a mile in their shoes to earn and gained the trust of those lawyers.

we have to teach young officers and older officers, you cannot do this. you should never have started. breaking the rules because you think you have to do it to get a bad guy, breaking the rules because you do not trust defense lawyers because we are going to let these scumbags off. i trust the attempts to be done bechief suhr, but it is a long- range process. i am not an apologist for greg suhr or the district attorney, but they have to find a solution. without the state, law enforcement does not work. [applause] >> so, chief suhr -- [laughter] what do you do about this problem of the end justifying the means? so, how you teach your young officers or train them not to abuse their power and not to get these bad guys anyway they can and does not matter how they operate? how do you teach trainees about this? >> first, thank you for having me. this is a bit of an away game for me. [laughter] [applause] >> either way, it is your home town. >> that is true. >> you might feel like you're on the hot seat on this panel draws that is ok. i can handle it. >> the ba

police officers. also makes policy recommendations on san francisco police department policy and practices. in california, law enforcement agencies must have a procedure to investigate complaints by members of the public against peace officers. the office of citizen complaints fulfills that purpose for the san francisco police department. our office is staffed by a diverse group of civilians who may never have been san francisco police officers. the office of citizen complaints currently has 33 staff members. the majority are investigators. the balance of the staff consists of attorneys and other support staff. the goal of the occ is to increase the public's trust in law enforcement by being the bridge between the public and the police on matters of police misconduct, neglect of duty, and police policy. to that end, the office of citizen complaints' mission is to ensure police accountability by conducting a fair and unbiased investigations and making recommendations on police policies and practices. w

i would like to say we do have a wonderful beat officers, excellent beat officers. otherwise i would not be here supporting them. i do not know what the process is, but i would like to ask for the support of the commissioners, the chief, and the captain to see that 24th street does have beat officers beginning at 12:00. another thing i want to talk about, and that is why i am very proud of chief suhr, and again, i want to thank all of you for supporting him to become the chief, because he is very community-minded. he does work very well with the community. we are taking -- i run an after- school tutoring program on 24th street, and we are taking serious -- students over to san bruno. that is the garden project. that gives these city kids an opportunity to go out, plant vegetables, take vegetables, come back home, and have something to show. because the kids i work with do not have that opportunity to go out to farms and do things like that. and i also appreciate sergeant steve toma. he is a very good committee officer, and i would like to see we continue those kinds

the higher ranking officers or commissioned officers are not getting this training. we taught -- talk to the chief about that, that will change. that is a great recommendation. and find out more. >> looking for some help. that would allow me to do more teaching. i want to do more construction and educating. this is such a necessity to educate. putting together classes around suicide is important. stretching out the officer's training and we also do the peer counseling training at the economy. and being able to do family- partner training where officers can bring in family members and partner so we can give them an overview of what to expect and how they are transitioning from civilian to cop and some of the things, the stressors they may encounter coming into this. >> i appreciate that. one of the things you provide that goes to most of the officers -- emotional survival for law enforcement. it is a very interesting read. a lot of the officers have read it. it explains things, the evolution of a police officer when they join a police department, energetic, excited, r

about, this officer had a complaint. it would be something we would talk about in advance of the agenda. >> thank you for the clarification. in terms of the committee and the vote, the officers after they walk out of the meeting, is there a discussion about who is voted on? does that become departmental knowledge? >> yes. >> that is my concern. once the vote occurs, names are fairly public unless there is a step taken to ensure confidentiality until the names have been cleared through occ and the commission. we need to look into a particular incident, then we would do that i assume in closed session? would that be appropriate? can you help us with this? >> i would have to look of the specifics about whether you could have closed session to look at the employment of a police officer in this context. it is different from the role where you have a jurisdiction over the officer. i do not know that you would have legal grounds. >> would you be able to give us some guidance regarding how to handle all of the concerns in a way

the other officer had a gun. i think we are a little bit smaller -- a little bit smarter than barked. we know how to use appropriate force, but i wish it would become the for the agenda over the next several months. that is my personal opinion. >> next speaker, any further public comments from public comments are now closed. >> item #3, reports and announcement. item three is the police report regarding the task force resolution. >> it has been awhile since we have been together in this building, so i thought i would go back, because there have been some things in the news. as far as the crime of days, we are still relatively flat. if we had a great last 28 days with a crime being down. we are still down about 5% in violent crime and flat with regards to property crime. homicides are even with last year, which is one of the years we are trending lower. three homicides happened this past week, and i will speak to that later in my report. three weeks ago and we played the raiders in a preseason game, and it was as

the officers were neck and neck. those of few feet away watched it all happened. >> this is putting cases in jeopardy. >> she is a longtime employee now suspended. she was supposed to be watching over evidence. tonight, and narcotics cop is being accused of selling drugs. the workbooks in it -- they were booked in martinez this morning. >> norman wells was a very high- ranking narcotics commander. they are accused of more than 20 counts including conspiracy and selling marijuana and steroids. >> i feel like i was very much violated. >> also, juveniles and the neighborhood were put in handcuffs themselves. he was in the the raj, when an officer tried to take -- garage. >> the public defender's office says the video is so damning, one of the officers had to cover the lens. narcotics officers said they received permission to search two suspects' rooms, but the video tells a different story. >> without a warrant, without knocking, they burst into the room, all four officers, and then later lied in in a police report. >>

i have prosecuted police officers>> i think police offic, above all else, do not want a dirty cop in their presence, it is not good for anybody. they are held to a higher standard. we should hold them to a higher standard. i am independent, i am not beholden to anybody. i did not have any concerns. i will honestly and fairly prosecute police officers as anyone else i have found violated the laws. >> the san francisco crime lab scandals, recently, a local newspaper, they conducted an audit of san francisco's dna procedures. both the newspaper article said the police department and the da's office have suppressed that report. how can the san francisco criminal justice system go about having -- we will start over here. >> in terms of the crime lab and the dna labs generally, i would turn it over to an independent agency has, given all the scandals and the continuing news stories that come out every single day. we need an independent crime lab that was adequately funded. in the last few days, there is a lot of talk about the memo. and the d.a. said in a debate last night that he had give

so, i talked to a lot of other g-8's offices to find out how -- d.a.'s offices throughout the state to find out how they dealt with this. i find that a lot of offices across the state rely on that type of relationship. given the situation occurred with the crime lab, we needed to absolutely do more, and what we did is create a policy where they did, and i think it may have been cheap gas than -- chief gaston at the time were they created personnel files where they could go to the court system to learn whether this type of material existed, whether or not information that we should know about individuals who are testifying for us in that trial should be given to the police department. we also have our own internal policy because -- which means if there are allegations of misconduct, we create materials and have an internal policy about how the material is disseminated within our offices so that we can comply with all our obligations in terms of discovery. our office has had a lot of discussions about the implementation of that policy and a lot about when

besides, the post office's financial crisis is the post office's own fault. what kind of business model is the forever stamp? that's like chili's with their bottomless coke. by the way, i'll be back tonight, chili's. daddy's still thirsty. [cheering and applause] besides, we do not even need the post office anymore, right? >> people aren't using the post office. >> they have post offices all over the place. close down some. >> our money, the taxpayers' money, let the post office go. >> fedex and blackberry do a much better job anyway. >> stephen: yeah, blackberries are way better. you can't play brick breaker on an envelope. stupid envelopes. and if grandma really wants to send you $5 on your birthday, she can fedex it. although she -- you may want the send her the $5 back so she can cover the $15 minimum. there is one down side to the united states becoming the only civilized nation without a postal service. i have not yet appeared on a stamp. [audience reacts] >> i know, i know, i no. i always wondered whether they'd go with the young me or the fat me. [app

your officers were quite busy. there was more people in the parking lot than the stadium could hold. i thought it was a dangerous situation but i saw some officers and it was incredible what they were doing. how much of a resource drain was that and do we get reimbursed for what takes place in the parking lot? >> much of what is in the parking lot is part of the 49er complement they pay for. we do that, extra officers in and out the door locks and traffic. i was out there myself. i was told it was the largest regular-season crowd since 1994 for that game. a huge crowd, obviously incredibly hotly contested, decades-long rivalry. very fortunate that the worst thing that happened was the score at the end of the game. president mazzucco: the officers were great. they broke up a lot of very close fights. just in the 20 or 30 minutes i was in the parking lot. >> they did a really good job. president mazzucco: thank you. commander? >> i am here to give you a general overview of the court officer involved shooting. it was