official american policy has been to refuse to pay ransom in part on the theory that it endangers other americans overseas even more. victims' families have complained about lack of consultation. how would it work, in a change in policy? i'm joined by dane eggley, dane welcome to the program. maybe you could walk us through all the different factors that you are balancing when you try to come up with a response in the case of a specific hostage taking. >> sure, it's good to be with you ray. it's a complex formula but also fairly simple. the policy is rooted in tradition and experience with hostages being taken and going back to world war i. that if you reward bad behavior you're going to see that behavior continue to take place. certainly in the short term with the families it is completely understandable and you just heard it from ray hallems that we want to do everything possible to get them out. every country looks at an interagency sooution solution to get them out. what's in the public good, you can't pay ransoms. you can't legitimize them, giving them cold hard cash recognition, r