offutt, thank you for sharing your time with us this sunday.ptical about the big headlines of the past week, right? >> these are extraordinarily preliminary data. what we're waiting for is the big drop, which is to say the large prospective placebo-controlled trial, 20,000 people who get the vaccine, 10,000 who get the placebo, then and only then will you know if the vaccine is effective. i would be surprised if that happened by the end of the year. you would have to be very lucky. you want a representative number of cases of covid-19 in the placebo group and you're headed into the summer when it's likely when the number of cases will drop so that also works against these trials. we have to wait for the trials. right now these are extraordinary preliminary data. so let's be cautious. >> i know you respect dr. fauci. do you think that maybe whether it's the president's optimism or is he too far out there, irrational exuberance or do you think he's okay? >> it's fine to be optimistic. it's fine to be aspirational. i think, though, this process wo

>>and the muslim community in cleveland found a new way to celebrate at offutt air the end of the holyonth of ramadan in the islamic faith. the islamic center of cleveland organized the parade so its members could celebrate safely islamic center staff set up stations in the parking lot and the out candy toys balloons and other goodies for families. the president of the islamic center says it's more than just a celebration. it's a way for members of his community to stay and feel connected. >>it's a wonderful feeling we're really glad that we get to spread a little bit of the holiday spirit and hope that has a good >>the normally at offutt air is an all-day celebration with large gatherings over meals and a carnival for the kits churches in california must remain shut down during the pandemic a federal court has rejected a lawsuit against governor. >>newsome has banned. the lawsuit claimed. the governor's order violated first amendment rights, but the court disagreed ruling that the ban is in place for health reasons not to discriminate against a specific religion. despite the decision

paul offutt, i'm sure you're fami familiar with him, from the institute of pennsylvania. what worries him the most about getting these vaccines to market is that steps are being skipped or compressed for expediency. obviously we're in an emergency situation. do you share those concerns? >> i do. i do. and, you know, vaccines, while -- when they're developed under regular circumstances, they're safe and effective. we're cutting a lot of corners. i get why we're cutting corners, but we do need to make sure they are safe. i think we're doing some things in parallel. but we've got to make sure it's safe. if it's not safe, it's going to end up really being a costly experiment. i still think we need to pay attention to safety. >> what are the risks? what are the risks of skipping the steps that normally would be taken, animal trials, longer trials in terms of chronology, in terms of time? >> yeah, so look, we know that vaccines, obviously if they're not developed in a standard way, you could have a really bad reaction to vaccines. some vaccines, again, we're trying to elicit an

paul offutt at the university of pennsylvania, thinks they ought to abandon ship, these results showeveryone agrees with that, but certainly i haven't talked to anyone who is jumping up and down and saying that this is wonderful news. >> okay, doctor, this is your area of expertise, what say you? >> yeah, i don't know that this kills the vaccine yet, but they are not really strong results in terms of immune response. the study out of harvard medical school, that we talked about earlier this week, showed that protection seems to be -- with the covid-19 vaccine, seems to be associated with neutralizing antibodies which bind to the surfaces of viruses and prevent the virus from attaching to our human tissues. and in this study, the level of neutralizing antibodies was pretty low, lower than what we've been seeing in the few reported studies in patients who have been infected with the virus and then survived. so that's concerning. potentially you could rescue this vaccine with another dose or another option is what's called a prime boost strategy, what you do is use this adenovirus vacci

offutt once said, when it comes to trials, mice lie and monkeys exaggerate, unquote.cal company americ moderna has claimed positive results but has yet to release data to back up those assertions. three weeks after the nih's clinical trial claimed remdesivir shortened the hospital stay of coronavirus patients, the actual data to back up those claims has still not been published. former surgeon general vivek murthy joins us. do you think we need to see more than press releases before we start celebrating early results? >> thanks, jake, it's good to be with you. i was optimistic when i heard the news about the moderna study earlier this week. but i was also hungry for more data. and i think before we put too much hope on a press release, we've got to make sure that we're looking at the actual hard data that tells us what's working, what's not working, what more needs to be investigated. what we know from the moderna trial is that people who were given the vaccine actually responded with antibodies. but it was a subset of those people who actually had what we call neutra

frozen, there are a lot of warnings that small businesses are just going to go under that that is offuttern of how much fiscal health they can get now to use that to borrow jay powell's quote right now we'll worry about the debt later. right now, we have a massive economic crisis to get through >> well, you know, i probably am somewhere more in the middle i recognize that we have to do what we have to do in order to keep people whole and not to destroy everybody's lives. i understand that. but i also understand that if we shutter everyone and don't reignite the engine of this economy, you're going to have a situation that is so devastating you'll have a lot more people dying than ever have died from the virus. so you have to be able to weigh these things together and not have one subject taboo that you're not supposed to talk about. >> secretary ben carson, thank you for weighing in. >> okay. >> still to come, a look at the atoforavusesngndste conir tti a which companies have the most reliable tests thus far. back in a couple of minutes. eighty dollars. a hundred dollars. i had good heal