i mean, we can try doing something with ogis. but if someone is that upset at that point, you can't really talk them out of something that they have the money to go ahead and file a lawsuit and do it. they're in their right to do that. so one thing, you know, i have learned doing this as well. i knew it before, but it's just how much work we have had on our side to do. we are trying our best. one of the things when you talk about like all the sort of the white collar and people doing things that are wrong, the government side of things. at least from what i've seen with how much we have to do, i don't know that we have the time to think of doing soming that crazy. i mean, we're just kind of busy. if we're messing up your file -- if you've sued us 20 times, and we messed up your other case, we didn't intentionally do that. trust me. so i think that discovering where we mess up and trying to fix that and trying -- one of the things i have been trying to also do beyond this is just improve our foia processes in general from the foia

when we're 3:00ing out titles that display what ogis does, ogis put a blog out about a month ago that i think perfectly exhibits what they can do for requesters, and the title of the blog was five words "how to invite a foia lawsuit." and this was basically in effect their mission statement as far as their helping requesters. they were telling agencies, if you want to be sued, do these things. these are the things that most annoy requester into tiling suit. i advised everybody to read that. that being said in a slightly related vein in response to what you were saying about how to measure it, i have a question. how to measure your success. i would view that success is not measured by getting agencies or requesters to do something that they were already doing. but to get them to change their position. that's where the mediation would come in. mediation doesn't accomplish anything if both parties proceed to do exactly what they were doing anyway. and so i would ask you how often do you see that a requester has come to you asking for help with an agency position that they've taken, and the agency has changed that position or an ag

ogis in general but perhaps during sunshine week in particular. >> thank you very much, dan. good morning, everybody. >> good morning. >> i know this is a little late in sunshine week to be mentioning this, but you do have a little bit of time left. downtown, the national archives building for the first time ever this week has been on display, the original freedom of information act. and if you -- i know some people in the room have made it by this week. if you haven't, and you have a chance to -- i'm not suggesting anybody would want to leave this program early -- but if you find yourselves downtown somewhere around pennsylvania and 7th streets this afternoon, stop in in in the rotunda of the national archives and take a look at the display. we're really hoping this becomes an annual sunshine week event. but we're very proud to have the original law displayed there for the first time. >> does it show president johnson's signature in a shaking hand or a firm hand? because we gather he was a little bit shaky about signing it. >> well, we understand from historians that there was a bit of a kicking and screaming involved. but the signature is there quite firmly. and it did become law, and there we go