elevation about it starts the growing season in ohio's wine country and you make >> absolutely we do that is one of the unique things about being g in ohio ohio ontario and a few other places where it gets cold enough so the grapes actually freeze on the vine much like a popsicleou you remember as a kid he could get, the juice salt that is exactly what we do. >> and when the grapes freeze, we pick thoseol so it has to get cold enough not a frost look old enough that they cold enough that they freeze on the vine at and about 15 degreesob. >> 15 degrees. >> s. >> so there's really not a huge difference obviously and how you prepare an iced wine ce. versus a regular wine. >> absolutely oh yes you will taste the difference it's very very sweet and concentrated. >> it tastes almost like the juice to drinknk when you're not allowed a to have your own wine. it is that concentrated but it is delicious. >> yes it is. >> yes it is. >> you havevi a variety of points here. >> asked. >> what do you likewhh dark dry red? >> first of all without nothing but the old world grapes from germany and rp no-no are is where joseph is been doing quite well for the last 20 y